healing according to Joseph prince, please do explain

[Stephen63]

Yes, I may do that some with you because it is so obviously easy.

But, in this case, I am saying it is foolish to sit here and swear that things men wrote about when they had only very limited information, have to be the truth, and nothing but the truth, while men who write today have vastly more information through discoveries and compiled resources that was never available to the writers who lived a thousand years after any of these events occurred.... and died long before any of these new discoveries were made.

The phrase you keep ignoring is "tried & true", as in PROVEN. They don't necessarily need to be old, but, I find some of the older ones very beneficial.

Some of the commentaries I use are the following:
Adam Clarke
Bible Knowledge Commentary
Hard Sayings of the Bible
Jamieson-Fausset-Brown
Matthew Henry
Preacher's Outline and Sermon Bible
Teacher's Commentary
International Standard Bible Encyclopedia

All of these are well-known, trusted sources. None are perfect, but the good ones will agree with each other & the Bible.

Saying that a commentary is new doesn't mean they used better resources, & most televangelist's commentaries contain their personal false doctrines.

 

[Depleted]

Those stories in the bible are brutal. Never would I teach or read these to my children. Gives me bad feelings. That's why I stay away from it and believe all I have to be is a kind person

And so you come to a Bible Discussion Forum instead?
Nevermind. I don't believe you already.

 

[Depleted]

that might make sense to you

but not to someone who does not talk backwards to make sense forwards

that's about all I usually get out of your posts

sorry, but I thought you should know

I'm not defending anyone here; I just have noticed how you like to pop into a thread, drop a bomb like no one but you knows anything and then pop out

Well, dropping by (which I rarely do) and leaving a bomb (and if I'm bombing I empty the cache) sure beats your never-ending veiled sarcasm and sticking up for something you know so little about to begin with.

 

[Depleted]

So, are you saying things you write here are not the truth, and we should not believe you since we read your posts that often may, or may not, reflect what you state you believe?

Yeah, okay. You're in that mood still. You know what I meant, but you're still in the mood to pretend like you are taking the upper road and all others (inbred idiots) are beneath you.

Let's try it this way. If YOU said YOU believe you are always kind and generous to everyone, should I believe you?

Actions speak louder than words.

 

[LaurenTM]

Well, dropping by (which I rarely do) and leaving a bomb (and if I'm bombing I empty the cache) sure beats your never-ending veiled sarcasm and sticking up for something you know so little about to begin with.

interesting

considering I never even respond to what you post...I think this is the first time

you should really try to tone it down.

typical of your style though...fighting with everyone

 

[Depleted]

interesting

considering I never even respond to what you post...I think this is the first time

you should really try to tone it down.

typical of your style though...fighting with everyone

You really need to learn what "never even responded to your post" means.

If I told you I believe I should always wear dresses, would you trust I truly believe that?

There is what I "believe" and what I do that tells me what is really believed.

That, to me, is the difference between the list Grace777 copy-pasted and the reality.

(And so says the chick in the bibfront shortalls.)

that might make sense to you

but not to someone who does not talk backwards to make sense forwards

that's about all I usually get out of your posts

sorry, but I thought you should know

I'm not defending anyone here; I just have noticed how you like to pop into a thread, drop a bomb like no one but you knows anything and then pop out

And this from someone who has posted contempt, poised as giggly sarcasm, for others again and again on this thread from the beginning without even understanding the subject.

As for not following this thread from the beginning? Honestly? First, this has been covered enough in the last few months, plus, I thought everything was covered by Grace777's post when he suggested the FJ actually go learn from JP's site. I figured nothing gets covered after that, and FJ does that.

A few days later, and it was on Page 14. What happened? Oh yeah, God4 teaches us the smart-dressed gospel, you mock, and FJ teaches some funky... no idea what that was either.

Rather funny everyone keeps repeating "go read the site's info" for pages and pages with

as responses. Sadly interspersed with God4's "gospel" and your mocks on something you don't even know. After page 7, I was ticked when you attacked someone who never mocks, never puts down, and always encourages. That doesn't meet with your approval?

Cool! I don't want to.

Should I now make it false humble-sincerity by saying something like "just thought you should know" too? I'd go with "tone it down," but at least I know you're not that kind of person either.

 

[followjesus]

I used the phrase "cancerous growth in the church" when describing Prince's teaching on this site. So, don't take me as a JP follower.

But honestly? For someone so offended by him, you really have no idea of what grace means either. Grace is "unmerited favor." Not "Unmerited favor to...blahblahblah." Just unmerited favor.

One of my brothers is self-employed as a financial planner, makes gobs of money, loves his job, loves his wife, loves his kids, loves his dogs, loves his life, has a wonderful life, and, sure enough, he isn't a Christian. God graced him!

Grapes grow because of God's grace. We have air that we can live on because God graced us. Earth? Grace! Life? Grace! That we can breath even in our sleep? Grace! Chocolate? Grace! Liver? Grace! (Well, for some, I suppose. lol) Surviving a fame? Grace!

Just because you think Grace is God doesn't really make you all that much different than JP followers. Grace does NOT change anyone! God does!

lol I think grace is God? no, grace is simply an attribute of God, as is holiness, roighteousness, forgiveness, wrath ect. unmerited or unwarranted favor is Jesus dying for the unworthyu on the cross, forgiving all of their sins, taking all of their punishment upon His body and crediting that to those people who " had no merit to deserve that act of Grace" grace is " God sends His rain on the righteous and unrighteous alike" you know in that very teaching about blessing those who curse us, you are missing that Hes teaching His followers to Give grace to their enemies." Gods grace doesnt just put all humans in eternal life, it opens a door to eternal life and calls in a loud voice to the world "come"

I'm not interested in an unwarranted lawless conditionless "gospel and actually, in response I understand Gods grace very well. But in the spirit of repaying blessing for your uninformed judgement of me God bless you, may you grow in the Knowledge of Jesus in His righteousness, truth, His teachings, blessings and all spiritual things He has for you.

 

[LaurenTM]

Lynn

I don't take your words or even your nastiness seriously

I also do not take your judgement of my posts seriously because I'm not sure you actually have the ability to decide what someone else means when they post

your constant anger probably prevents you from seeing anything good

what I said, about you popping in and dropping little bombs...that anger and sarcasm that you seem to have...is the truth

you have responded with even more of the same and included a silly bunch of things that reveal your desire to hurt others

you really do need to ask yourself why you do these things

my last post to you....you do not seem to want to do anything but lash out. I'm sorry you feel that way.

go ahead and use the ignore button if I bother you so much.

 

[LaurenTM]

A few days later, and it was on Page 14. What happened? Oh yeah, God4 teaches us the smart-dressed gospel, you mock, and FJ teaches some funky... no idea what that was either.

I will address this though because this is a blatant lie

Jesus hung naked on the cross while soldiers tossed dice for his outer garment and god4yu apparently follows some WOF teacher who teaches that Jesus lived in a big house and wore designer clothing

I know what you do. You tell half truths to get people upset and when they address you, you come back with twice as much garbage

this is still a Christian site last time I looked. try and remember that and tone it down.

 

[followjesus]

Lynn

I don't take your words or even your nastiness seriously

I also do not take your judgement of my posts seriously because I'm not sure you actually have the ability to decide what someone else means when they post

your constant anger probably prevents you from seeing anything good

what I said, about you popping in and dropping little bombs...that anger and sarcasm that you seem to have...is the truth

you have responded with even more of the same and included a silly bunch of things that reveal your desire to hurt others

you really do need to ask yourself why you do these things

my last post to you....you do not seem to want to do anything but lash out. I'm sorry you feel that way.

go ahead and use the ignore button if I bother you so much.

totally get and agree with this comment.

 

[Willie-T]

Yeah, okay. You're in that mood still. You know what I meant, but you're still in the mood to pretend like you are taking the upper road and all others (inbred idiots) are beneath you.

Let's try it this way. If YOU said YOU believe you are always kind and generous to everyone, should I believe you?

Actions speak louder than words.

I believe the actual posted and authorized words of any organization's website to be much more indicative of what they stand for than a half-baked private conclusion of their beliefs derived from personal interpretation of some video.

 

[Depleted]

lol I think grace is God? no, grace is simply an attribute of God, as is holiness, roighteousness, forgiveness, wrath ect. unmerited or unwarranted favor is Jesus dying for the unworthyu on the cross, forgiving all of their sins, taking all of their punishment upon His body and crediting that to those people who " had no merit to deserve that act of Grace" grace is " God sends His rain on the righteous and unrighteous alike" you know in that very teaching about blessing those who curse us, you are missing that Hes teaching His followers to Give grace to their enemies." Gods grace doesnt just put all humans in eternal life, it opens a door to eternal life and calls in a loud voice to the world "come"

I'm not interested in an unwarranted lawless conditionless "gospel and actually, in response I understand Gods grace very well. But in the spirit of repaying blessing for your uninformed judgement of me God bless you, may you grow in the Knowledge of Jesus in His righteousness, truth, His teachings, blessings and all spiritual things He has for you.

Now.

Compare that to what you wrote last time, because you kept attaching belief and purpose for believers to grace. As in, Believers have grace to...

I agree it's an attribute. I also think it's a lot of gifts given by God, and not just to his kids. Without his grace bestowed on all, there is only chaos.

 

[Depleted]

I believe the actual posted and authorized words of any organization's website to be much more indicative of what they stand for than a half-baked private conclusion of their beliefs derived from personal interpretation of some video.

Thank you for answering my question. (And, yeah 2-5 videos doesn't cut it either.)

I believe what is posted is true if their actions verify they live it. I don't expect live it perfectly, but live it comes to mind. I agree with everything Grace777 posted as the mission statement of Joseph Prince's ministry. I also see a couple of them aren't lived by him or by the people who follow him.

There is what someone says and what someone does. When the two don't meet, I trust the do more than the say.

 

[followjesus]

I believe the actual posted and authorized words of any organization's website to be much more indicative of what they stand for than a half-baked private conclusion of their beliefs derived from personal interpretation of some video.

hey willie if you sit and listen to a sermon, or even 20-30 sermoins of a pastor, at that point what they are saying should be clear or something is wrong. this is my own opinion, maybe learn what Gods word says first, and then watch 2 or 3 sermons of a person, if they are teaching whats not taught in Gods word, trust God at that point. if the bible says you need to obey God, and a pastor is saying obedience is a work of the flesh and a deception hear whats being said. ask yourself

would God EVER make obedience less than essential knowing His character of HOLINESS? does God ever change? will he ever have intimate fellowship with sin? things like that. discernment comes through His word, and just as much through asking Him to give discernment so you wont be led astray. rather than study all these men. why not stayu fixed on Jesus and His words in you will then guide in understanding and discerning of Good and evil ? a chriatian should know whether a teaching is false, or true, the standard of truth is Gods living Word, Jesus. the TRUTH the way and life. if Jesus Himself is the truth of God, why do His words not carry the truths Gods people need? remember willie " many false prophets are in the world, their goal is to pull people away from Jesus Christ and His sound doctrines.

2 john 1:9 "Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

or paul?
1 timothy 6 :3-4 "If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, hey are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions...."


all sound good doctrine NEEDS to agree with the principles and teachings of Christ, pauls do, they are just so distrorted now days in favor of a lawless grace that He did not teach that doctrine was an issue in pauls day. several warnings are given in the new testament about making Gods grace to mean were free to do as we wish and remained saved. the word is there for a reason, if we didn't have Gods word, there would be no way to really know if a person was teaching a true thing or a deception, but by His Grace, again, He had it all written down for the world to know how to get home

 

[Magenta]

lol I think grace is God? no, grace is simply an attribute of God, as is holiness, roighteousness, forgiveness, wrath ect. unmerited or unwarranted favor is Jesus dying for the unworthy on the cross, forgiving all of their sins, taking all of their punishment upon His body and crediting that to those people who " had no merit to deserve that act of Grace" grace is " God sends His rain on the righteous and unrighteous alike" you know in that very teaching about blessing those who curse us, you are missing that Hes teaching His followers to Give grace to their enemies." Gods grace doesnt just put all humans in eternal life, it opens a door to eternal life and calls in a loud voice to the world "come"

This is what gets argued. Were all our sins forgiven, aside from blasphemy? To say everything was forgiven is not to say we have freedom to sin. The glass is not that dark and yet either side attempts to make the other out to be saying something they are not. Both sides agree that it is God's grace that allows us to obey. Still, the arguments about this have been going on as long as I have been a member of this site, if not longer. Another funny thing about it is that members from either camp accuse me of being in the other camp. The blind should not be attempting to lead.

 

[followjesus]

Now.

Compare that to what you wrote last time, because you kept attaching belief and purpose for believers to grace. As in, Believers have grace to...

I agree it's an attribute. I also think it's a lot of gifts given by God, and not just to his kids. Without his grace bestowed on all, there is only chaos.

I don't need to read it I said it, and because you don't understand......so what? simply say your peace and move on to something you have a grasp of, or give your shiny 2 cents, if you don't get something, it doesnt mean others don't. there is no question on my mind, any grace alone believer APART from the obedience grace brings will dislike me because I see past that deception into the truth I'm good with being disliked because of the truth in Gods word its a blessing to my life. yet if 10 grace grace jp followers hate me and 1 person gets value and adds to their own Knowledge, I'm good with that.


as far as grace changing people yes that's how God changes people through His grace offered in Christs atonement. changes a sinner to a saint that's a big part of pauls teaching. The grace of God put Jesus up on the cross. in other words there was nothing we did to deserve Jesus bleeding and dying in our place, we were those who did it all wrong under the law, sinners without ground to stand on, condemned to death we had no way no hope....but then boom Gods Grace showed up and was revealed. that's saved by Grace were saved by the gracious act of the cross, but NOT left without rule and expectation and standards. freedom in Christ is not d=freedom from Him, its freedom from sin, and a uniting With Jesus. that's what Gods grace did for us, placed dead people with no hope in The kingdom of His son, for the purpose of serving Him as a king the king. who has a king and denys what he says? Jesus taught obedience, paul taught you have been restored by Grace now honor that grace with your lives by turning the other cheek, in honor of Him who died, by caring for those in need, in honor of him who died ect. Jesus teaches how to be grace to those who don't deserve it. think of forgiveness, if someone does something wrong to you, and you forgive them, its grace, they did wrong, you forgave it you were gracious to them.

Grace isn't all about what God did to fogive me, its much more, its what He did to change me from dead to alive again in Him.

 

[Grace777x70]

hey willie if you sit and listen to a sermon, or even 20-30 sermoins of a pastor, at that point what they are saying should be clear or something is wrong. this is my own opinion, maybe learn what Gods word says first, and then watch 2 or 3 sermons of a person, if they are teaching whats not taught in Gods word, trust God at that point. if the bible says you need to obey God, and a pastor is saying obedience is a work of the flesh and a deception hear whats being said. ask yourself

would God EVER make obedience less than essential knowing His character of HOLINESS? does God ever change? will he ever have intimate fellowship with sin? things like that. discernment comes through His word, and just as much through asking Him to give discernment so you wont be led astray. rather than study all these men. why not stayu fixed on Jesus and His words in you will then guide in understanding and discerning of Good and evil ? a chriatian should know whether a teaching is false, or true, the standard of truth is Gods living Word, Jesus. the TRUTH the way and life. if Jesus Himself is the truth of God, why do His words not carry the truths Gods people need? remember willie " many false prophets are in the world, their goal is to pull people away from Jesus Christ and His sound doctrines.

2 john 1:9 "Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

or paul?
1 timothy 6 :3-4 "If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, hey are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions...."


all sound good doctrine NEEDS to agree with the principles and teachings of Christ, pauls do, they are just so distrorted now days in favor of a lawless grace that He did not teach that doctrine was an issue in pauls day. several warnings are given in the new testament about making Gods grace to mean were free to do as we wish and remained saved. the word is there for a reason, if we didn't have Gods word, there would be no way to really know if a person was teaching a true thing or a deception, but by His Grace, again, He had it all written down for the world to know how to get home

No one teaches lawless grace here ..that is a "construct" of your own mind. We have shown you over and over again and yet you continue to say the complete opposite of what is really being said.

You have repeatedly spoken against people that believe in some things differently then what you do and have totally mis-represented them. Your 1st or 2nd day back on the forums and you start with an attack again because of a difference of views on healing and so you start this thread.

Here is a thread that you created when you had another name in which all your false allegations were shown to be what they really are.

Maybe it's time to just agree to disagree in some areas but at least speak the truth in what is really being said. Maybe it's time to walk on in peace and allow each other respect and the grace to live in peace. We should be praying for each other.

Here is the link below to where all the points were discussed in great detail.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/135643-my-last-argument-obedience.html

 

[Depleted]

totally get and agree with this comment.

LOL Too funny! Two people who have arrived in the last three weeks have studied all 6000+ post of mine to totally get me.

Is this a new thing? Super discernment? LOL

Want to know who I am? I'll give you one thread that answers why I don't post much lately. (Hubby is home now, but that includes visits from a wound specialist, PT, OT, his doctor's appointments, mine, and a lot of shuffling around because he can't get upstairs yet, and upstairs if where our bathroom and bedrooms are.) It also shows how wrong you are about me not keeping up with threads. Started by a friend, because I had quit this site, but...got to admit. I have follow-thru, and you two are completely clueless on who I am.

http://christianchat.com/prayer-requests/126891-need-prayer-now.html

 

[Depleted]

I don't need to read it I said it, and because you don't understand......so what? simply say your peace and move on to something you have a grasp of, or give your shiny 2 cents, if you don't get something, it doesnt mean others don't. there is no question on my mind, any grace alone believer APART from the obedience grace brings will dislike me because I see past that deception into the truth I'm good with being disliked because of the truth in Gods word its a blessing to my life. yet if 10 grace grace jp followers hate me and 1 person gets value and adds to their own Knowledge, I'm good with that.


as far as grace changing people yes that's how God changes people through His grace offered in Christs atonement. changes a sinner to a saint that's a big part of pauls teaching. The grace of God put Jesus up on the cross. in other words there was nothing we did to deserve Jesus bleeding and dying in our place, we were those who did it all wrong under the law, sinners without ground to stand on, condemned to death we had no way no hope....but then boom Gods Grace showed up and was revealed. that's saved by Grace were saved by the gracious act of the cross, but NOT left without rule and expectation and standards. freedom in Christ is not d=freedom from Him, its freedom from sin, and a uniting With Jesus. that's what Gods grace did for us, placed dead people with no hope in The kingdom of His son, for the purpose of serving Him as a king the king. who has a king and denys what he says? Jesus taught obedience, paul taught you have been restored by Grace now honor that grace with your lives by turning the other cheek, in honor of Him who died, by caring for those in need, in honor of him who died ect. Jesus teaches how to be grace to those who don't deserve it. think of forgiveness, if someone does something wrong to you, and you forgive them, its grace, they did wrong, you forgave it you were gracious to them.

Grace isn't all about what God did to fogive me, its much more, its what He did to change me from dead to alive again in Him.

Already wrote my PIECE! Had you checked, you could have discovered this topic has been covered often in the last few monthsand with much more than some reference to communion.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/137081-why-joseph-prince-cancerous-growth-within-gods-people.html

 

[Depleted]

No one teaches lawless grace here ..that is a "construct" of your own mind. We have shown you over and over again and yet you continue to say the complete opposite of what is really being said.

You have repeatedly spoken against people that believe in some things differently then what you do and have totally mis-represented them. Your 1st or 2nd day back on the forums and you start with an attack again because of a difference of views on healing and so you start this thread.

Here is a thread that you created when you had another name in which all your false allegations were shown to be what they really are.

Maybe it's time to just agree to disagree in some areas but at least speak the truth in what is really being said. Maybe it's time to walk on in peace and allow each other respect and the grace to live in peace. We should be praying for each other.

Here is the link below to where all the points were discussed in great detail.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/135643-my-last-argument-obedience.html

I would like you to know, as much as we disagree, (and what percentage is that -- 90%-95% of the time? lol), I do agree with you here. JP doesn't teach lawlessness.