I have thought about that too, how many times this person said. "This is my last argument" and then they would come back immediately with another argument, another thread, more of the same after saying how many times, no more. And how many profiles have been created by the same person? Leaving in a pique and then coming back only to leave again and return once more. It causes me to wonder about the mental stability of such a person. How well do they know themself? If they know themself so little, how well can they truly understand others?
healing according to Joseph prince, please do explain
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yes magenta all our sins WERE forgiven at the cross think of this, we died to the law of moses because we died with Christ. those things we did wrong are all paid in full, all because of Grace. now its different though. we don't beloing to ourselves or no one, we belong to God now. Jesus laid out a whole new law really remember how many times he says " you have heard that it was said, but I tell you" that was Jesus taking the mosaic law from authority in Gods Kingdom, BUT those things he taught are now our rule and standard.
still in Jesus at this point a person may sin tomorrow, this sin can be forgiven through repentance and forgiving others. in Christ when a person says you must obey look at His teachings " if you forgive others, God will forgive you" that's our forgiveness in Jesus Christ or remember the old golden rule ? do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" how I treat my fellow man is how I can expect now, being in Christ, God to treat me when I stand before Jesus. its not that we in Christ are perfect in obedience, but we are in obedience. and if we are obeying, we do have forgiveness because we are forgiving others as commanded by Jesus.
the law of moses had no such teachings. it was based on " an eye for an eye" no grace imparted. Jesus changed it all our whole " religion" is now changed. were not jewish, we don't follow moses or the Levitical priesthood, Jesus changed all of that. what we obey changed with the words of Christ. we don't stone sinners now, we forgive them and teach show them their error, we encourage, we care for those who need in the world around us. we just find out the spirit of Jesus teachings ( brotherly Love) and we obey those precepts now. so tomorrow if I see a sinner do something I know is sin, I wont be talking behind their back, or judging them or avoiding them like the plkague, but if I do that, I need to repent and change how I do that because God saw all my sin and forgave all of it. But now that that happened if I go and show no mercy to others, I will then go to face a very angry God that promises to show no mercy ( the parable of the unforgiving debtor) were saved by grace, saved isn't just forgiven, it is to be remade into a totally new creation. when a sinner comes to Jesus all there sins are forgiven as they repent and do right they are re made. we must persevere in Jesus
still in Jesus at this point a person may sin tomorrow, this sin can be forgiven through repentance and forgiving others. in Christ when a person says you must obey look at His teachings " if you forgive others, God will forgive you" that's our forgiveness in Jesus Christ or remember the old golden rule ? do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" how I treat my fellow man is how I can expect now, being in Christ, God to treat me when I stand before Jesus. its not that we in Christ are perfect in obedience, but we are in obedience. and if we are obeying, we do have forgiveness because we are forgiving others as commanded by Jesus.
the law of moses had no such teachings. it was based on " an eye for an eye" no grace imparted. Jesus changed it all our whole " religion" is now changed. were not jewish, we don't follow moses or the Levitical priesthood, Jesus changed all of that. what we obey changed with the words of Christ. we don't stone sinners now, we forgive them and teach show them their error, we encourage, we care for those who need in the world around us. we just find out the spirit of Jesus teachings ( brotherly Love) and we obey those precepts now. so tomorrow if I see a sinner do something I know is sin, I wont be talking behind their back, or judging them or avoiding them like the plkague, but if I do that, I need to repent and change how I do that because God saw all my sin and forgave all of it. But now that that happened if I go and show no mercy to others, I will then go to face a very angry God that promises to show no mercy ( the parable of the unforgiving debtor) were saved by grace, saved isn't just forgiven, it is to be remade into a totally new creation. when a sinner comes to Jesus all there sins are forgiven as they repent and do right they are re made. we must persevere in Jesus
also, doesnt he teach were not to confess sin because its impossible for us to sin now? or is that sermon just something I mis heard again. I agree jp wont say lawless grace, but its an unconditional salvation he teaches. just believe doent matter what you do is his message clearly that's why he avoids any condition clearly written in God word. if its impossible to sin, that means there is no law to transgress, which means he is teaching a law less grace
Your very first paragraph exposes a fallacy that seems to negate the premise you are attempting to build your case upon.. As we merely listen to something (and for some here, even as we read), the moment we hear something we don't agree with, the following words are often dismissed or at least "lost" to our considered cognizant absorption.
Consequently, any further listening is already compromised by our foregone presumptions.
The same thing can happen in reading, but there is a stronger chance that a person given to thinking will go back and immediately reread the offending statement... perhaps two or three times in a row. (Smart people often actually reread several pages when confusion of disbelief strike.) This rarely (almost never) happens while listening to a video.
Add to this, the contributing distractions of the speaker's oral delivery, his possible accent or tonal inflection, his demeanor, his style of dress, the setting behind him, and a host of other things, and you get far less of the actual meaning of words delivered, and much more of a uniquely psychologically censored delivery of the information.
The old dodge of "Well, I'm a visual (or, audio) learner." further substantiates this concept, in that much more information is being processed as you watch a video than just the pure, unadulterated facts as written in black and white on a page.
Consequently, any further listening is already compromised by our foregone presumptions.
The same thing can happen in reading, but there is a stronger chance that a person given to thinking will go back and immediately reread the offending statement... perhaps two or three times in a row. (Smart people often actually reread several pages when confusion of disbelief strike.) This rarely (almost never) happens while listening to a video.
Add to this, the contributing distractions of the speaker's oral delivery, his possible accent or tonal inflection, his demeanor, his style of dress, the setting behind him, and a host of other things, and you get far less of the actual meaning of words delivered, and much more of a uniquely psychologically censored delivery of the information.
The old dodge of "Well, I'm a visual (or, audio) learner." further substantiates this concept, in that much more information is being processed as you watch a video than just the pure, unadulterated facts as written in black and white on a page.
make up my mind huh ? lol my mind has been made uop for years, I choose Jesus. and I'm good with you making up your mind about me luckily, you have zero authoprity over me and I trust Jesus to Be the one who judges rightly my words and actions. so since you've made your mind up, how bout moving on and arguing with someone else? that's a good method of keeping peace
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Wommack is what he is. If Benny Hinn wrote a commentary, I guess you would read his also? What ever happened to the older tried & true commentaries?
While we read many, we usually quote our favorites. I read yours.
While we read many, we usually quote our favorites. I read yours.
Can't say I've had much to do with Benny Hinn so I can't say one way or the other about Him and wouldn't. But I have read many other Christian works and can give a working opinion when it comes to them. Andrew Wommack's is one I can say I have used a few times for sure here on cc.
OHhh hey Willie!!! thanks for posting that link. I got AW whole commentary on cd for my laptop computer but have yet to put it in. I told you how lacking I am with computer issues. But really want to see AW commentary on the books of the Bible he has not put on his website. Although I don't agree with all of his commentary it has been very helpful in the many other areas we do see eye to eye on. (And they sent it to me free when I called.)
But I'm glad you did read some of AWs commentary Stephen63. I have found some of his commentary on Communion quite worthy of cutting and pasting quite a few times here on CC.
its always funny how you guys go in circles lol answer nothing, consider nothing and group together cheering each other on disregarding all the truth. but I'm good with it you guys obviously have issues with what ive written for months, why do you always end up reading and concerning yourselves with obedience taught by Jesus. paul, john and the rest maybe something in you all is being drawn to it lol idk but I find little value in the nonsense. but coming from a guy who often uses name calling like " inbred idiots" it really is already expected. like with 777 ive argued with this guy for moinths we go in the same circle, he uses the same jp authorized scriptures omits all the same ones and is unchanging, I stick to the whole message we just go in circles its fruitless. do you folks not get the value in going to a post where some fruit can be had? its just a waste of my time, your time, graces time, lynns time ect. like this comment willie, its about 2 minutes of my life wasted. an endless circle between grace grace and righteousness because of Grace that we are commanded to walk in. its really silly, you all should preach grace grace to people who never have read or don't know Gods word, maybe then youll help them accept Jesus, and someone else will show them Grace, doesn't mean you now don't have absolute responsibility to honor the suffering and death of Jesus.
just a thought tho theres a lot more fuitful places on this site for the gog folk and those here to argue and name call and faction up lol either way tho insulting or disputing with me is a waste of time for you, and for me. I kinda just pop in and off here to reach the people with a heart for Jesus and His things, not really on here to debate herecies. the gog is dangerous for people is the only reason id ever even address such a teaching. lots of folks turning against truth. but idk tho, maybe find a post about shouting grace grace to all the ills of the world and I'm sure itll all work out
just a thought tho theres a lot more fuitful places on this site for the gog folk and those here to argue and name call and faction up lol either way tho insulting or disputing with me is a waste of time for you, and for me. I kinda just pop in and off here to reach the people with a heart for Jesus and His things, not really on here to debate herecies. the gog is dangerous for people is the only reason id ever even address such a teaching. lots of folks turning against truth. but idk tho, maybe find a post about shouting grace grace to all the ills of the world and I'm sure itll all work out
Actually it was not "name calling." I asked if people who read, very plainly, a statement written on a website that made a clear declaration, yet turned right around after reading that statement, and said it actually said something else.... were inbred idiots.
And I am still wondering. They clearly seem to have something wrong with not being able to understand simple written words.
And I am still wondering. They clearly seem to have something wrong with not being able to understand simple written words.
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To me they are the same, because salvation is ultimate healing unto eternal life.
Why look at the temporal sufferings when the eternal promise is so much more glorious?
I will keep my eyes fixed on Christ and continue to take one right and faithful step towards where He leads me.
Hurt people continue to hurt others but if we allow God to heal our hearts, minds and souls we can learn to help heal others by giving them love as God loves us.
The most powerful healing is unseen by the world's eyes; when God draws us from our sin and towards Him. When He saves us and gives us faith to believe that Jesus died for us upon the cross and we are given the Holy Spirit to confidently proclaim we are His children and cry out Abba, Father.
It's when the Gospel changes lives and heals that breech between men and God.
Why look at the temporal sufferings when the eternal promise is so much more glorious?
I will keep my eyes fixed on Christ and continue to take one right and faithful step towards where He leads me.
Hurt people continue to hurt others but if we allow God to heal our hearts, minds and souls we can learn to help heal others by giving them love as God loves us.
The most powerful healing is unseen by the world's eyes; when God draws us from our sin and towards Him. When He saves us and gives us faith to believe that Jesus died for us upon the cross and we are given the Holy Spirit to confidently proclaim we are His children and cry out Abba, Father.
It's when the Gospel changes lives and heals that breech between men and God.
L
we cheer each other on.....right
no. I just have a thing for the truth and there is alot of it missing around here
for one, I have been labelled hyper grace when I don't even know what that is supposed to be
why and by who?
people who NEED to believe they are better because deep down they know they are not
people who sin and lead a sinful lifestyle are SINNERS. they are not hyper grace
Grace is God's unmerited favor. It is not a license to sin.
L
I dunno
some kind of cloaking device?
it's like a child when you say do not touch the hot stove
they just gotta touch it...
however, it's a reverse principal in this case
possibly perverse, cause I do not know what else to call it when something states the OPPOSITE of what is being said and folks still insist it does not say what it does in fact say
L
Wow, that post was very impressive Willie!! Nice word useage!!! I agree very much with what you say here. If people want to claim they know how another person believes they should at least go to the source or the person's or organizations website. So many people here DO NOT and just flippantly state as fact their opinions about someone.
So many Christians here on CC or out there in the public forums such as tv or radio or internet have been accused of believing things they don't even agree with or come close to believing.., and then the false judgment continues with more condemnation on top of that false accusation.. then the process of hurting the person even more by means of "skewering" and "frying" and "broiling" and "baking" takes place. So your "half-baked" description certainly got my attention.
It is a process used that means no good intent. Finding the truth should always be the goal. And seriously., our measly limited human opinions about what we think someone is or does when we have not even met them should be very limited for sure. There is SOOOOO much more to a person that what first meets our eyes and ears. Grace is what sees past what might seem obvious.
I believe we Christians should be reeeaaalllly taking to heart the slow to speak quick to hear and listen admonition from the Bible. Even people in the world who have some character have learned this truth about waiting and showing some reservations and patience before blurting out their opinions about another person.