healing according to Joseph prince, please do explain

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You should hear yourself. LOL., If you think that Gods grace is not conditional then you haven't read the bible. If it's unconditional then we have nothing to be concerned about, rob banks, rape women, kill children and have a hay day. Upon repentance it can be forgiven, but for God to accept this behavior is not biblical.

OK Robby. time to get serious

who do you think you are talking to?

you appear to believe that Christians rob, rape and kill

I certainly do not believe that

perhaps you need a primer on what a Christian actually is and Who they believe in

please clue us in, as to what you believe biblical grace is

and don't use baloney fillers from those you are mocking here; no, we want to hear from YOU
 
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I believe He accepted it at the cross!



You should hear yourself. LOL., If you think that Gods grace is not conditional then you haven't read the bible. If it's unconditional then we have nothing to be concerned about, rob banks, rape women, kill children and have a hay day. Upon repentance it can be forgiven, but for God to accept this behavior is not biblical.
 
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dtaking it unworthily??? God is wrong??? taking communion unworthily would be taking it without examining ones self to see if they are living in honor of Jesus. serving sin as your master and taking communion is unworthy. uniting ourselves with the body and blood while dishonoring Jesus, unworthy. not laying down self, picking up the cross makes us unworthy of Jesus. not my words, Jesus words.

Gods word on healing is clear a false teaching is a false teaching. just like shouting grace in place of obeying God. false teaching. obey God and thank God for grace that makes us able. again tho, where are those scriptures about healing coming because of communion again??? if God said it it will be written clearly in His word. not twisted and stretched but clear. so in scripture lets support jps claim here and stop with the childish argument. where is the biblical support for this communion for healing ?
Personally I don't use the communion method for healing,but the verses brought forward take all the air out of your sails ,do they not?

How about "healing is the children's bread"

"....and at that moment,as the BROKE BREAD, THEY REALIZED HE WAS THE MESSIAH"

Thats two more off the top of my head.

So,you simply can not say there is absolutely nothing to it.
 
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lol actually willie I think those who stoop to childish insults probly should check their words out. if any pastor or teacher is teaching things opposed to what Gods word says, the teaching is false. saying that is a lot different than some 11 year old name calling. joseph prince does not teach the gospel. he omits any clear condition taught by Jesus, paul, john, james, peter ect. jp is not some newly appointed prophet that has any authoprity to change the gospel from what it has always been. BUT to sell books in the world, authors need to come up with fresh ideas and ways. " 7 secrets to prosperity" " how to be financially blessed" " grace revolution"......if these guys had some revelation and great insight into Gods word, should they be making millions on the word God gave them to share with thew church? should they charge 40 bux a pop to go listen to them speak what God supposedly gave them for the church?

a pastor who is full time, sure they should make their living. making a living and storing up millions by selling their spiritual insight though?? seems to me to be more capitalism than a spiritual leader trying to share the truth that saves another. the bottom line though, if anyone is teaching anything it should first be taught in Gods word, anything that isn't, should not be accepted as a Christian truth. taking communion isn't what the word teaches for physical healing unless again ive missed those scriptures? he sure didn't offer any in his 40 minute sermon. just kept referring to "the finished work" like he does with obedience. I saw him take james 1:22-25 and twist it its not saying you need to do the word just keep hearing it????? really jp? it actually says " do not merely listen to the word and deceive yourselves DO WHAT IT SAYS." just this one verse says its a deception to just hear the word, you must do the word. but His sermon concluded that's backwards to its " real" meaning it really is saying just keep looking at it. His own words. the guy is selling books by convincing people the bible doesn't actually say what it says. selling an empty hope, a false gospel. hes a twister, clever, but Gods word is solid and repeats truth throughout so twisters have no ground.

inbred idiots willie? lol grace grace I guess....shout grace grace and everything will be okay
So, ARE they inbred idiots for reading something directly from the website, and still saying "it doesn't really say that"?
 
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You treat His Grace like an On - Off switch and that is not what scripture teaches.

I really pray you spend sometime learning about His grace you will be glad you did




You should hear yourself. LOL., If you think that Gods grace is not conditional then you haven't read the bible. If it's unconditional then we have nothing to be concerned about, rob banks, rape women, kill children and have a hay day. Upon repentance it can be forgiven, but for God to accept this behavior is not biblical.
 
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OK Robby. time to get serious

who do you think you are talking to?

you appear to believe that Christians rob, rape and kill

I certainly do not believe that

perhaps you need a primer on what a Christian actually is and Who they believe in

please clue us in, as to what you believe biblical grace is

and don't use baloney fillers from those you are mocking here; no, we want to hear from YOU
It might be because he has to fight those desires within himself all the time that he just naturally figures everyone else wants to do those things too.
 
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You treat His Grace like an On - Off switch and that is not what scripture teaches.

I really pray you spend sometime learning about His grace you will be glad you did

Sin does have dominion over the false grace teachers.
 
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don't turn too quickly by a wall

I fear your nose may have exceeded its normal length

gee I hope all you folk actually know the Bible half as good as you think others don't know it



what do you call God's grace then?

CONDITIONAL grace?

y'all ought to hear yourselves LOL!

Gods grace changes the believer, enables man to live upright godly Lives. it does not in any way negate our responsibility to live in obedience to God. how we live determines our eternal destination. Grace came by the suffering and death of Jesus. forgave all our sins and gave us for free a brand new spirit, clean and born of God. the purpose of this is to learn and grow in the nature of Jesus, by following and applying His teachings to life. grace doesn't take away the importance of how we live, it gives us grace to live right. to be a slave to righteousness as we once were slaves to sin. but paul even says clearly again andagain.

you are a servant of who you obey whether it is sin which leads to death, or righteousness wich leads to eternal life. grace doesn't take our responsibility away, it enables us to live up to it. grace is awesome. it is mistaught by the modern grace doctrine. not what paul taught jesus taught james taught john taught...they all taught obedience to the gospel because of the grace which was poured upon us and made us new and clean. simply this doctrine of grace grace, is false. grace is true, the false teaching of grace is not. grace doesn't mean you say jesus is lord and now you can never sin enough, never do enough wrong to end up in hell. that's ridiculous according to scripture.


jesus himself, paul, john, peter, james all make very clear how you live, what you say, what you think all of these things have a place in determining eternal life of the other destination. grace. doesn't change God or His standards or his holiness. it takes our sin away and teaches us to live right before God.


titus 2:11-12 "For the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age."

that's Grace. its not a free pass, its repentance, overcoming worldly passions and a teaching to live upright and godly lives. that's what Gods grace is this is pauls writing here. grace is not what is taught by this false doctrine. it is our forgiveness, our teaching, our strengthening, our new life, our freedom from sin and so much more. to stand in grace is to press on toward the goal of the nature of Christ, the nature taught in His teachings. grace doesn't change the word, it changes the man
 
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Personally I don't use the communion method for healing,but the verses brought forward take all the air out of your sails ,do they not?

How about "healing is the children's bread"

"....and at that moment,as the BROKE BREAD, THEY REALIZED HE WAS THE MESSIAH"

Thats two more off the top of my head.

So,you simply can not say there is absolutely nothing to it.
The other thing is that in the OT when Israel ate of the first Passover lamb ( Jesus is our Lamb that we eat from - Jesus said unless you eat and rink from Me - you have no part in Me ) the night before they left Egypt.

Not one of them the next day was feeble scripture says. Do we actually think that there were none in all of Israel that was not sick out of the 2.5 - 3.5 million people? I believe when they ate the lamb on the Passover - they were healed.

Psalm 105:37-38 (KJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] He brought them forth also with silver and gold: and there was not one feeble person among their tribes.

[SUP]38 [/SUP] Egypt was glad when they departed: for the fear of them fell upon them.

 
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No., some are thinking -Oh whew!! My loving Father knows my heart is prepared for worship and He needs no proof of my love for Him by the clothes I'm wearing today. He is seeing just me and loves me for me and I don't have to worry like I do with people when they judge me and care for me according to the clothes I'm wearing. My Father loves me no matter what I'm wearing.


Yes, and God knows those who's heart is right, their dress will be right, (Smart ).

A person cannot have the love of God in them and dressential scruffy.
Love has respect.
 
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I don't think you are going to get much traction since the one we follow,Jesus,wore a robe,sandals and ate with dirty hands and offended the well dressed with that prostitute following him around.

We should be like Jesus, and He wore designer clothes.
Why do you think they cast lots for His clothes? ?.
 
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I have said this many times and I have heard over a hundred grace believers say the exact same thing.

Grace is not a license to sin nor does it allow us to live in the same place we were at when we came to the Lord. Grace teaches us to live godly in this life. I have quoted Titus 2:11-12 most likely over 100x times and I have seen multitudes of others quote it as well.

This is where some people keep saying the complete opposite of what we say and they slanderously say that we say it is ok to sin all we want because of grace. It's time to show some Christian integrity and at least quote us correctly.

 
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all I gotta say is maybe I should watch Joseph Prince more cause he must be doing something right for people here to keep wanting to discuss how wrong he is

yes, that makes perfect sense to some of us
Do watch JP and see what a false grace teacher he is.
 
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It might be because he has to fight those desires within himself all the time that he just naturally figures everyone else wants to do those things too.

the natural does want to do those things willie. the natural is the sinful nature. that's why the bible teaches us to put to death the earthly nature it is evil, corrupt, rebellious, violent, deceitful it is born of decepotion in the garden. that's the whole purpose of Jesus death, to redeem us from that nature. to pay that death sentence and kill the sinner in us, while giving us a new spirit that is bound and born of righteousness.

to see his point one needs only to look at the world around us, even in the church. no one can judge another persons salvation. not even their own salvation. there is one Judge when all is said and done. judging is different than recognizing a destructive false doctrine, a heretic should be called a herecy needs to have light shined on it. its no skin off my neck if the truth offends folks, it has always and will until the end. whoever lives as taught By Gods word can fully depend on Gods promise. am I saying a person has to be perfect, no, I'm saying they need to accept as the truth, obedience to Jesus. that's the first and most important part. to accept what He clearly says. when we truly accept we are supposed to obey, because of faith, we will.

as long as we try to avoid the truth of obedience to righteousness, well never be able to obey by faith. as long as we swallow a doctrine that eliminates consequences of our actions, our actions will never change. we cant claim salvation if were more in love with sin than Jesus. just saying Lord lord is a deception its living life for the one who lived and died for us. and living for him is simple. learn what He says and do what he is saying to do. he himself is the one who makes obedience important, essential in His own words. as does paul, james, john, peter, jude....as did the ot prophets as did God in the garden. it has never and will never change willie. sin is death, righteousness is life. Jesus took our sin and gave us his righteousness. that's grace, no longer have the excuse I'm just a sinner, no, the word is clear, the sinner died if you believe. now there is only a redeemed , free, new, clean and powerful righteous, holy, chosen child of God adopted through faith in Christ, fully equipped for every good work. grace did all that, now......will the new man live or will the new man choose death as did adam and eve?

grace is NOT what is taught today so popularly. its still all about the actions that come from the heart. if a man is new let him live as such having full confidence that he is new. if a man is a sinner let him confess it to God and be made new. all about righteousness, and peace. grace made it all possible
 

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Do watch JP and see what a false grace teacher he is.
yep, you can always tell a false teacher when they say things like " God cares how we dress" or " Jesus wore designer clothes". these are tell - tale signs.
 
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There are 2 aspects to grace. The very first thing that Jesus does with the woman caught in adultery is that He gets rid of her accusers - the religious Pharisees that wanted to condemn her because the "bible" said so in the Old Covenant...she was to be stoned. ( the law condemns us )

Jesus was the only one qualified to condemn her but He didn't.


1) acceptance grace - which has nothing to do with our behavior -
as seen with the woman caught in adultery. Our Lord beautifully says " I do not condemn you".

It is in knowing you are not condemned that releases the other aspect of grace.

2) now, go and sin no more - this is empowering grace.

Empowering grace enables you to be who the Father sees you are in Christ now because you are a new creation in Him.


The religious mindset says to the woman caught in adultery - 'Do not sin and we will not condemn you."

The grace of God and the blood of Jesus speaks of better things in this New Covenant of grace!

"Knowing" that we are not condemned in Christ "releases" the life of the empowering grace to transform us. It's all about Christ! It's His fruit being manifested in us!

Acceptance grace which is not based on our behavior needs to be cemented in our hearts before empowering grace is able to be manifested.


What believers in a self-effort/self-performance D.I.Y. holiness/righteousness based mindset and the self-appointed "fruit inspectors" have a very hard time with is the "acceptance grace" part...this just drives them nuts...and I understand why..it is scandalous and it "conflicts" with their religious man-made traditions.
 
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You should hear yourself. LOL., If you think that Gods grace is not conditional then you haven't read the bible. If it's unconditional then we have nothing to be concerned about, rob banks, rape women, kill children and have a hay day. Upon repentance it can be forgiven, but for God to accept this behavior is not biblical.

The false grace teachers don't believe in repentance or confessing sins, So they are permanently in their sins.
But they think it's OK , because all their sins, past present and future, have been forgiven, So they say they don't need to confess their sins or repent.
 
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the natural does want to do those things willie. the natural is the sinful nature. that's why the bible teaches us to put to death the earthly nature it is evil, corrupt, rebellious, violent, deceitful it is born of decepotion in the garden. that's the whole purpose of Jesus death, to redeem us from that nature. to pay that death sentence and kill the sinner in us, while giving us a new spirit that is bound and born of righteousness.

to see his point one needs only to look at the world around us, even in the church. no one can judge another persons salvation. not even their own salvation. there is one Judge when all is said and done. judging is different than recognizing a destructive false doctrine, a heretic should be called a herecy needs to have light shined on it. its no skin off my neck if the truth offends folks, it has always and will until the end. whoever lives as taught By Gods word can fully depend on Gods promise. am I saying a person has to be perfect, no, I'm saying they need to accept as the truth, obedience to Jesus. that's the first and most important part. to accept what He clearly says. when we truly accept we are supposed to obey, because of faith, we will.

as long as we try to avoid the truth of obedience to righteousness, well never be able to obey by faith. as long as we swallow a doctrine that eliminates consequences of our actions, our actions will never change. we cant claim salvation if were more in love with sin than Jesus. just saying Lord lord is a deception its living life for the one who lived and died for us. and living for him is simple. learn what He says and do what he is saying to do. he himself is the one who makes obedience important, essential in His own words. as does paul, james, john, peter, jude....as did the ot prophets as did God in the garden. it has never and will never change willie. sin is death, righteousness is life. Jesus took our sin and gave us his righteousness. that's grace, no longer have the excuse I'm just a sinner, no, the word is clear, the sinner died if you believe. now there is only a redeemed , free, new, clean and powerful righteous, holy, chosen child of God adopted through faith in Christ, fully equipped for every good work. grace did all that, now......will the new man live or will the new man choose death as did adam and eve?

grace is NOT what is taught today so popularly. its still all about the actions that come from the heart. if a man is new let him live as such having full confidence that he is new. if a man is a sinner let him confess it to God and be made new. all about righteousness, and peace. grace made it all possible
So, you are saying you also have these desires all the time?
 
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The false grace teachers don't believe in repentance or confessing sins, So they are permanently in their sins.
But they think it's OK , because all their sins, past present and future, have been forgiven, So they say they don't need to confess their sins or repent.
That is just more nonsense . It is you that says all this junk...grace believers say the exact opposite of what you are again falsely bearing witness to.

And please stop insulting every person in CC that disagrees with you no matter what the subject is that is being discussed.


A picture is worth a thousand words they say to your continuous mis-representing of what is really being said. At some point you really need to start being honest and show some true Christian character.