Hell

[AnandaHya]

This comparison doesn't fit. We couldn't possibly put ourselves in hell unless god first created it and then made the criteria for which souls are judged that condemns every single one of us there. Hell is not this world but the imaginations of men's minds that causes them to sin will lead them to hell or eternal separation from GOD.

That and you don't deny that we were born into this 'closet' as we were born into our condemnation to hell, what choice did we have other than to already be stuck there? nope mankind were made to be caretakers of the earth, but Adam and Eve sinned and that is why the world is in a massive delusion of lies and sin.

From the earliest moment we can remember we've been condemned to hell/stuck in the closet. NOPE babies are normally pretty happy, my kids are not so troubled and have most of their needs taken care of. they do not worry like teenagers do. it come with the hormones and ability to procreate I guess

Then there's the matter that if god simply truly showed himself or proved his existence, no one would attack him, but the way he's "trying to let us out of the closet" is in a way where no one can be sure if he actually exists. no people just have their hands on their eyes and asking God why they can't see

Then there's also the fact that if we stay in the closet because we don't think there's a way out, he'll instead of pulling us out of the closet, note: most kids would begin yelling if yanked out of a closet. you could experiment but that would be kind of mean

show himself to us, and then lock us in the closet forever and ever so we can't possibly ever get out, and he'll also make the closet a place of torture where there is unbearable agony. not the same closet, on is made by man's mind, one is a physical and mental torment

He won't let you out even after billions of years after he's locked you there forever. because you will refuse to repent of your sin and doubt

And beyond that, if I saw a child in a dangerous and harmful situation, I'm going to pull them out of it and make sure they're alright, even if they fight me over it. They're a child, as adults it's our responsibility to protect them, shouldn't god be doing the same? He does but if the kid runs away from home when they become "grown" what would you suggest the parent do?

All these comparisons about us choosing to go to hell don't work... No one chooses hell, they just don't believe it exists, and god isn't proving that it exists either, nor when we die is he offering us a choice personally, we're just condemned no matter what... I've explained my problems with the concept of hell as described, and why I cannot believe in it, that's my stance. the choice is not going to hell or not. it is believing a lie or searching for the truth.

That's why I see annihilation as more consistent with the idea of a loving god, don't you think annihilation makes more sense?

annihilation versus hell? Don't know ask God upon death category. I like to focus on today and living life according to God's will for me today in prayer and thanksgiving for His mercy, grace and love.

sorry it took me so long to respond. didn't see this thread.

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

Hell is what happens to you when you sin, I believe. Heaven is what happens when you don’t sin:

[17] "Yet your people say, `The way of the Lord is not just'; when it is their own way that is not just.
[18] When the righteous turns from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, he shall die for it.
[19] And when the wicked turns from his wickedness, and does what is lawful and right, he shall live by it.
[20] Yet you say, `The way of the Lord is not just.' O house of Israel, I will judge each of you according to his ways." Ezekiel 33:17-20 RSV

i dont think hell is a matter of act or feeling,it is a place
same with heaven its not what u do right its a place
one preacher said, when angels sinned God provided no saviour,when men fell he did..God would still have been just,kind and for ever loving if had provided no saviour after the fall of men..
Hell was never ment for us,it was for the devil and the angels and am so grateful that he pulled me out cuz i was going there,despite of my arrogance and pride he still got me..and am sure it was same for u guys..

 

[Abiding]

Was and still is

 

[777Yeshua777]

To my understanding... God created the rockslide, and then created a plan which put you in its path (no human can avoid sin, they're heading for it.) Then made the rockslide invisible, but provided a book teaching about it, but there are hundreds of other false books (other religions you know) saying other things, and then once the rockslide hits them, even if they were very nice caring people, they don't even get to die, they're tortured forever and ever in the eternal pit of hell... All the while god could have changed any aspect of this situation.

I don't think the analogy is fair unless it's given some edits that I just described. Hell is actually my biggest problem WITHIN Christian doctrine, I don't think it can be resolved but I'll keep an open mind. If someone could solve this problem of hell it would help a lot of other Christians struggling with the idea.

Another comment talked about children going to hell. In the supernatural, none of us are children. We are only children in space and time.

However, eternal damnation is a tough one to rectify.

I will offer this nugget as a possiblity. The first resurrection of the dead is the believers who reign with Yeshua for 1,000 years. After that is the 2nd resurrection.

And,

Revelation 20:12 says, "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Perhaps the morally right may miss hell. But, they will not be able to enter the New Jerusalem, where the saints live with Yeshua.

Revelation 21:23-27 "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

This certainly implies there are people living outside the city that are not allowed to enter. Could be...

I don't for sure what will happen. But, I do know one thing. Whatever happens, it will be fair and just from the One True God and Creator of the Universe.

 

[cronjecj]

Another comment talked about children going to hell. In the supernatural, none of us are children. We are only children in space and time.

However, eternal damnation is a tough one to rectify.

I will offer this nugget as a possiblity. The first resurrection of the dead is the believers who reign with Yeshua for 1,000 years. After that is the 2nd resurrection.

And,

Revelation 20:12 says, "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Perhaps the morally right may miss hell. But, they will not be able to enter the New Jerusalem, where the saints live with Yeshua.

Revelation 21:23-27 "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

This certainly implies there are people living outside the city that are not allowed to enter. Could be...

I don't for sure what will happen. But, I do know one thing. Whatever happens, it will be fair and just from the One True God and Creator of the Universe.

Hi there,

1 Peter 4:18
And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

i don't think there is a third place, it's either paradise or hell.

 

[AnandaHya]

in the supernatural ALL are Children. the question becomes WHOSE child are you?

John 8:43-45
New King James Version (NKJV)
43 Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.

Matthew 18:3
and said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

Mark 10:15
Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.”

Luke 18:17
Assuredly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will by no means enter it.”

 

[2knowhim]

It never ceases to amaze me, how the mind of man can be so cruel and unfeeling when discussing such an issue, Thank God for the mind of Christ.
God could not even imagine such torture as ya'll have on this subject, it would not even enter His mind to do such an horrible, horrible thing, this has
got to be one of the most Damaging Devil Doctrines of All. It's no wonder the world does not want YOUR God, and that you find it hard to witness to
others.

Jesus said on the Cross forgive them for they know not what they do, do you really think that He didn't, forgive that is???
Jesus also said
Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you
Luk 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

What, does God tell us to do as He says, not as He does????

For those who do not know I pray please stop and seek the scriptures, and ask Him to show you
The Truth on this matter, don't just rely on what others have taught you, or what you think that the
scriptures are telling you.

This Doctine is an ABOMINATION To God:

Jer 32:33 And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction.
Jer 32:34 But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it.
Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

What your saying on this subject of Hell, is no worse than what they were doing, can't you see this???
God is Love, Merciful, Gracious, and more than anything Forgiving.
No Wonder David said he would rather fall into the hand of God, than the hands of men.

David was delivered from Hell, Jonah was also, and many more in scripture.

Consider Please, that you may have been mistaken in your understanding, Don't you Know Him at all????
I stand in doubt of you. God could NEVER, EVER, Do what you all are suggesting, How can you serve such a God??? YOU HAVE BECOME A GOD UNTO YOURSELVES, NO ONE OF YOU COULD DO THIS TO YOUR OWN CHILDREN NO MATTER WHAT THE'VE DONE. THAT MAKES YOU HIGHER AND MORE MERCIFUL THAN GOD. I DON'T THINK SO.

 

[cronjecj]

It never ceases to amaze me, how the mind of man can be so cruel and unfeeling when discussing such an issue, Thank God for the mind of Christ.
God could not even imagine such torture as ya'll have on this subject, it would not even enter His mind to do such an horrible, horrible thing, this has
got to be one of the most Damaging Devil Doctrines of All. It's no wonder the world does not want YOUR God, and that you find it hard to witness to
others.

Jesus said on the Cross forgive them for they know not what they do, do you really think that He didn't, forgive that is???
Jesus also said
Luk 6:27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you
Luk 6:28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

What, does God tell us to do as He says, not as He does????

For those who do not know I pray please stop and seek the scriptures, and ask Him to show you
The Truth on this matter, don't just rely on what others have taught you, or what you think that the
scriptures are telling you.

This Doctine is an ABOMINATION To God:

Jer 32:33 And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction.
Jer 32:34 But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it.
Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

What your saying on this subject of Hell, is no worse than what they were doing, can't you see this???
God is Love, Merciful, Gracious, and more than anything Forgiving.
No Wonder David said he would rather fall into the hand of God, than the hands of men.

David was delivered from Hell, Jonah was also, and many more in scripture.

Consider Please, that you may have been mistaken in your understanding, Don't you Know Him at all????
I stand in doubt of you. God could NEVER, EVER, Do what you all are suggesting, How can you serve such a God??? YOU HAVE BECOME A GOD UNTO YOURSELVES, NO ONE OF YOU COULD DO THIS TO YOUR OWN CHILDREN NO MATTER WHAT THE'VE DONE. THAT MAKES YOU HIGHER AND MORE MERCIFUL THAN GOD. I DON'T THINK SO.

Hi 2knowhim,

David was not in hell neither was Jonah.

Hebrews 9:27
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.

 

[2knowhim]

Haven't you ever read?

Psa 86:12 I will praise thee, O Lord my God, with all my heart: and I will glorify thy name for evermore.
Psa 86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.
Psa 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
Psa 116:4 Then called I upon the name of the LORD; O LORD, I beseech thee, deliver my soul.
Jon 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

 

[cronjecj]

Haven't you ever read?

Psa 86:12 I will praise thee, O Lord my God, with all my heart: and I will glorify thy name for evermore.
Psa 86:13 For great is thy mercy toward me: and thou hast delivered my soul from the lowest hell.
Psa 116:3 The sorrows of death compassed me, and the pains of hell gat hold upon me: I found trouble and sorrow.
Psa 116:4 Then called I upon the name of the LORD; O LORD, I beseech thee, deliver my soul.
Jon 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Yea ive read that before.

David cried out to God because his sins was unbearable and in the state David was also described it as a hellish state but God delivered David from his troubles because he humbled himself before God.

Jonah was in the belly of the wale 3days, 3nights and he used the term 'hell' because it was a hellish state.

 

[jonathanbchristian]

It never ceases to amaze me, how the mind of man can be so cruel and unfeeling when discussing such an issue, Thank God for the mind of Christ.
God could not even imagine such torture as ya'll have on this subject, it would not even enter His mind to do such an horrible, horrible thing, this has
got to be one of the most Damaging Devil Doctrines of All. It's no wonder the world does not want YOUR God, and that you find it hard to witness to
others.

Jesus said on the Cross forgive them for they know not what they do, do you really think that He didn't, forgive that is???
Jesus also said
Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you
Luk 6:28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

What, does God tell us to do as He says, not as He does????

For those who do not know I pray please stop and seek the scriptures, and ask Him to show you
The Truth on this matter, don't just rely on what others have taught you, or what you think that the
scriptures are telling you.

This Doctine is an ABOMINATION To God:

Jer 32:33 And they have turned unto me the back, and not the face: though I taught them, rising up early and teaching them, yet they have not hearkened to receive instruction.
Jer 32:34 But they set their abominations in the house, which is called by my name, to defile it.
Jer 32:35 And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.

What your saying on this subject of Hell, is no worse than what they were doing, can't you see this???
God is Love, Merciful, Gracious, and more than anything Forgiving.
No Wonder David said he would rather fall into the hand of God, than the hands of men.

David was delivered from Hell, Jonah was also, and many more in scripture.

Consider Please, that you may have been mistaken in your understanding, Don't you Know Him at all????
I stand in doubt of you. God could NEVER, EVER, Do what you all are suggesting, How can you serve such a God??? YOU HAVE BECOME A GOD UNTO YOURSELVES, NO ONE OF YOU COULD DO THIS TO YOUR OWN CHILDREN NO MATTER WHAT THE'VE DONE. THAT MAKES YOU HIGHER AND MORE MERCIFUL THAN GOD. I DON'T THINK SO.

I believe you need to study the Scripture a little more before you speak. Hell is definitly a place of torments. Jesus gives an account of Hell in the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus. Luke 16:23 "And in hell he lifted up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom." God tells us to be afraid of going to hell. Matthew 10:28 "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." It is so bad in Hell that Jesus told us this: Mark 9:43 "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:" You are accussing those who believe Jesus of being false. You need to reconsider the matter through the Scriptures. No one is wrong for believing Hell is horrible.

 

[2knowhim]

Wow, There truly is none so blind, as those that will not see.

 

[2knowhim]

(Quoted by Jonathan)
You are accussing those who believe Jesus of being false. You need to reconsider the matter through the Scriptures. No one is wrong for believing Hell is horrible.


Your right about one thing, Hell is Horrible, and there is torment. I do believe in Bible Hell, it is always related to the soul and body in
this realm, it is the sufferings of mankind in there souls. Like those who are addicted to drugs and just don't seem to ever break free,
the loss of loved ones unexpectedly and are lost
because they have no hope in Christ, or the one who has suffered great afflictions in this life at the hands of their parents...ect.. ect.
This is Biblical Hell.

 

[cronjecj]

Wow, There truly is none so blind, as those that will not see.

Cookie?

 

[cronjecj]

(Quoted by Jonathan)
You are accussing those who believe Jesus of being false. You need to reconsider the matter through the Scriptures. No one is wrong for believing Hell is horrible.


Your right about one thing, Hell is Horrible, and there is torment. I do believe in Bible Hell, it is always related to the soul and body in
this realm, it is the sufferings of mankind in there souls. Like those who are addicted to drugs and just don't seem to ever break free,
the loss of loved ones unexpectedly and are lost
because they have no hope in Christ, or the one who has suffered great afflictions in this life at the hands of their parents...ect.. ect.
This is Biblical Hell.

People do suffer hellish states in this life yes but there is a literal place of torment called hell where the ungodly goes after this physical life. It's believed to be in the center of the earth.

 

[2knowhim]

LoL.......Thanks, I needed that.....And how did you know that chocolat is my favorite?

 

[cronjecj]

LoL.......Thanks, I needed that.....And how did you know that chocolat is my favorite?

Good guess i guess lol

Peace.

 

[HeIsNowHere]

So that's what you believe, alright. But I'm curious, who deserves to go there? I assume this fire is eternal yes? As in hundreds of years multiplied by millions of years to the trillionth power, except infinitely longer than that? I don't think anyone deserves that, I don't think anyone could possibly deserve that, not even the worst mass murderers of our history. What's your opinion on who deserves it? Just curious.

On what basis or what authority do you think you know so much as to sit in position of eternal judgement? Human thinking and Human philosophy ALWAYS destroy God;s expired Word. Only He is able to judge so let that be in his hands. He loves everyone but has warned us especially those who reject His son who he sent to die for us to give us a free gift of eternal life. "And this is the testimony, that God has given us eternal life and the life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life and He who does not have the Son of God does not have Life." I John 5:11-12

Rejecting that precious gift, those precious teachings, and the precious truth, has consequences. It does not matter what you think or any man thinks. We do not set the consequesces of sinful actions. We do have time to share the fact that Jesus saves us and offers FREE forgiveness and FREE eternal life in paradise. You are not a judge and are not qualified and neither is any man. But if you understand who God is and who Jesus Christ is you can rest in this and assure he is loving but righteous and just.

 

[truthseeker]

The Bible really teaches that people either know "about the rockslid" or don't! One scripture about hell says people recieve less punishment if they never knew! The servant who knew his masters will and did evil recieves more stripes than the servant who never knew! I think eternal punishment is in different levels of punishment because of this verse. It also warns in the Bible that those who put Christ to open shame will receive punishment. God spared not His own Son, how much sore a punishment those who put Him to open shame and tred on His bood?

If they never knew what?

 

[schoolofyoungprophet]

Wen angels sinned God provide them with a saviour? N yet he is just kind n loving..if he hadnt provided Jesus to save humanity hed still be called kind just and loving, just know Salvation is all about him n his glory..
I think it was washer who said heaven is heaven cuz God is there n hell is hell cuz God is there(his justice,anger n wrath)
We can neva difine the love of God neither his wrath,
Hell is real,to go there we have to do nuffin u know da,we r already condemed.
wen Jesus said he da way the truth n da life n no one can go to da father but thru me,he really ment that so any punishment one suffers in hell is not enough to get u in heaven,the way to the father is v narrow, how narrow? Only thru one man Jesus Christ period..
I lyk how one preacher puts it..
Mans philosophy looks at heaven n says there us no gold in heaven,looks at Jesus n say there is no God in Jesus,looks at hell n say there is no fire but I tell u wat, tats mans philosophy,there is gold in heaven,God is Jesus n there is fire in hell..
If any other way tells u u can earn heaven is a lier n a theif