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miknik5

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Israel was never THE ISRAEL

It wasn't an earthly temporal inheritance that was the promise. It wasn't the land Istael

it was THE SON in whom is our inheritance. Regardless of whether one belongs to one of the 12 houses/tribes of Israel but based on those who belong in THE HOUSE
 

J7

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Ishmael was never the named and promised sign of THE PROMISE
GOD by HIS WORD was clear to distinguish that more than three times when HE told Abraham he would be the father of many nations

GOD told Abraham by a promise this above and then said once again clearly that it would not be through Ishmael but through isaac that his seed would be reckoned .
Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


The seed is Christ.
 

miknik5

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Remember melchizadek?
He is priest of GOD most high who without geneology, without beginning of days or end of years

he was a symbol pointing to Christ who because HE is before all things temporal (which were simply shadows pointing to HIM from the beginning-GOD hid HIS SON throughout HIS WORD) is in service to THE WHOLE HOUSE and not limited to only the 12 tribes of Israel but to all who come to HIM
thrpugh faith in HIM
 

miknik5

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Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


The seed is Christ.
Yes.

not Ishmael and not Isaac
THE SON being CHRIST JESUS
 

miknik5

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There will always be two sons in the world

the son of THE PROMISE
Amd the son of the bondswoman

HE said I did not come to bring peace but division
 
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Yeraza_Bats

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Jesus is called a prophet in the new testament.
He is also called God with us, Mighty God and Everlasting Father. He is all of those things.

Also, I hope that you arent defending the quran, there : p
 

miknik5

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ONE HOUSE
ONE BODY
ONE BRIDE

And THE SON/BRIDEGROOM alone will present back to the THE FATHER HIS ONE BODY, HIS ONE HOUSE (for HE alone is THE SON over HIS FATHERS HOUSE and is faithful in all HIS FATHERS possessions) HIS ONE BRIDE
 

miknik5

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Pray for your young girl who GOD has placed in your care
we will be praying with you
 

J7

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Yes.

not Ishmael and not Isaac
THE SON being CHRIST JESUS
Yes but God also created the people of Israel, of which Ishmael was originally a part.

Genesis 12:1 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:2 And I will make of thee a great people,

Abram becomes a great people, i.e. Israel. God then makes circumcision the mark of an Israelite, and anybody who did not get circumcised was kicked out of Israel.

17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
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Genesis 17:23
And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.




Ishmael was circumcised; ergo he was part of Israel. It was only later he was ejected from Israel.
 

miknik5

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Yes but God also created the people of Israel, of which Ishmael was originally a part.

Genesis 12:1 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:2 And I will make of thee a great people,

Abram becomes a great people, i.e. Israel. God then makes circumcision the mark of an Israelite, and anybody who did not get circumcised was kicked out of Israel.

17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.
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Genesis 17:23
And Abraham took Ishmael his son, and all that were born in his house, and all that were bought with his money, every male among the men of Abraham's house; and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin in the selfsame day, as God had said unto him.




Ishmael was circumcised; ergo he was part of Israel. It was only later he was ejected from Israel.
"Ishmael" is not celebrating THE PASSOVER
hw is still a foreigner THE COVENANT
 

miknik5

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SO WHAT! read what I have said and digest it
Do not treat a foreigner as a foreigner
any foreigner amongst you who wishes to celebrate the Passover needs to be circumcised
 

miknik5

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You are speaking earthly things not recognizing the SPIRITUAL TRUTHS behind all these earthly and temporal signs which were ever and always to point us to CHRIST in which all these HIGHER HIDDEN SPIRITUAL TRUTHS of GOD's HIDDEN WISDOM are found
 
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Zi

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Why don't you guys start a thread and continue there.. should everyone have to weed through debates just to see who's actually addressing the OP?
 

J7

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It's a new situation for a lot of us even to think about. That is why the ball is being tossed about Zi.

I noticed you did not actually answer the question either...
 

miknik5

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Why don't you guys start a thread and continue there.. should everyone have to weed through debates just to see who's actually addressing the OP?
The OP is doing what she is supposed to be doing and her post has been addressed

let her decide if this is offending her
 
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He is also called God with us, Mighty God and Everlasting Father. He is all of those things.

Also, I hope that you arent defending the quran, there : p
Just telling you what the bible says. and those that thought He was a prophet were called followers and believers.
 
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Israel was never THE ISRAEL

It wasn't an earthly temporal inheritance that was the promise. It wasn't the land Istael

it was THE SON in whom is our inheritance. Regardless of whether one belongs to one of the 12 houses/tribes of Israel but based on those who belong in THE HOUSE
Sounds like replacement theology right there. What does this have to do with the topic?
 

miknik5

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Sounds like replacement theology right there. What does this have to do with the topic?
No
replacement


Taking back what belonged to HIM from the beginning



it has to do with the present back and forth discussion that myself and j7 are engaged in