Help! Ramadan is in my house.

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Zen said:

Why don't you ask Sweden what it thinks about Muslims? It hasn't turned out so well accepting countless Muslims & blacks who have turned it in to the rape capital of Europe, on par with South Africa.

Let's consult the bible on idolatry

Deuteronomy 13:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you.

How do you baptize a wicked person? How do you live peacefully with someone who worships God's cursed enemy?

Who else has been baptized but wicked people? Who else does God save but his enemy? You seem to think we were special cases. Nope. We were the same as Muslims. God will have himself a people out of every nation, including the Muslim nation. AND, including those who claim they already are "Christians."

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OneFaith said:

[h=1]Matthew 5:43-48English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][h=3]Love Your Enemies[/h][FONT=&quot]43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.[/FONT]

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Enow said:

If taken to a Pentecostal or Charismatic church, then that was the wrong direction and MAYBE why she is pushed towards Islam. What do you think happens when someone does not experience the second blessing or the other baptism with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of tongues or do you preach receiving the Holy Spirit separate from salvation with the evidence of tongues as some do? Then she who seeks receives no tongues, she seeks the truth elsewhere, because she wasn't being told the truth in the first place. Jesus Christ is the gospel; there is no other gospel for her to receive.

If you turn to the "Spirit" everyday in tongues, then that is not turning to Christ Jesus, the Son of God everyday in your prayer.

1 Timothy 2:[SUP]5 [/SUP]For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Hebrews 4:[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.[SUP] 13 [/SUP]Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.[SUP] 14 [/SUP]Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.[SUP]15 [/SUP]For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The apostle John clearly states where the Holy Spirit dwells.. He is in you as opposed to the spirit of the antichrist which is outside of you.

1 John 4:[SUP]1[/SUP][SUP]Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.4 [/SUP]Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

The Holy Spirit has no business being in a place where the spirit of the antichrist is. He has no need to be when He is in you.

1 Corinthians 6:[SUP]19 [/SUP]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?[SUP]20 [/SUP]For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

It is the Father that draws all men unto the Son to reveal His son to sinners so they can believe in Him and THEN received the promise of the Spirit by faith in Jesus Christ.

John 6:[SUP]44 [/SUP]No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 11:[SUP]25 [/SUP]At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.[SUP] 26 [/SUP]Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

If you are sensing what you believe is the Holy Spirit's Presence in the room, then that is not the Holy Spirit.

You are steeped in spiritual warfare more than you know. Jesus Christ is in you when you had heard the gospel and had believed in Him to be saved. Believe in Him that you are Spirit-filled saved in being born again of the Spirit.

I beg of you to shun vain & profane babbling and pray normally to Jesus Christ at that throne of grace for help in all things. May He lead you to preach the only and real gospel which is the only hope of our ONE calling in Christ Jesus the Lord. Don't preach any thing else for her to get tongues by. Teach her to keep coming to Jesus Christ for all things.

[video=youtube;_rR_Rdb1CTE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rR_Rdb1CTE[/video]

JesusLives · Jun 17, 2017

I would say love her and lead by example. If you force her to stop she will just be resentful toward you. If you request that she just do it in her bedroom I don't see that as an issue.

Since I don't know what her other influences are as in where she stays and who she stays with when she is not with you I can't say what the other people might be teaching her or even if they are requiring her to pray and be more religious.

Invite her to go with you to your church and see how you worship if you haven't already.

I didn't read the entire thread just original post. But she needs to be shown love first and include her in your daily worship of Bible reading and prayer if you haven't already like I said at the beginning lead by example.

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Demi777 said:

Think back to who you were 1-2 years ago. Remember her?

Good. Now the harder part, imagine your family isn't available for you for one reason or another. No matter how much you want to live with them, you cannot. Not just your nuclear family, even your distant and not-so-distant relatives. None of them. Got that picture? Feeling a little lower about the world?

Yeah, okay. So you get a stranger to volunteer to take you in. Sure, you might have made it on your own 1-2 years ago, but even if you could, it would have been a hard life. You need a guardian to go to school -- an emergency contact number. Chances are good, to eat and have shelter, school would be out all together, but you might have made it.

Good thing that stranger too you in, right? Better yet, she ain't family but she seems nice enough. She's not ashamed of you, she's not turning you into a slave, and she even gives you pizza sometimes.

Oh! One problem. She's Islamic, and you're a Christian. She even knew you were a Christian when she chose to help you.

Should she kick you out because you won't become Islamic? And, if she does, then what?

Because that's exactly what you're suggesting to do with this other teenage girl, but as a sign of being "a good Christian."

Crappy sign!

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jaybird88 said:

Amen! And I am the only regenerated Christian in my blood family!

tourist · Jun 17, 2017

This is obvious important to her at this time of her life just as your worship of God is important to you. I would show an interest in why she does what she does as far as worship and adhering to a certain lifestyle and she might start to show an interest in your worship and practice. God understands these situations quite well and I'm sure that your prayer will protect your home as well as your foster daughter. Sounds to me as if she just needs a little space and time to find her own way in this world. Please continue to pray for her that she will one day see the light and begin a new spiritually journey worshiping God and to humbly serve the Lord.

tourist · Jun 17, 2017

toinena said:

You're doing a good work for the Lord.

Zen · Jun 18, 2017

jaybird88 said:

1 Timothy 2
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Zen · Jun 18, 2017

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People who are called by God and repent of their wickedness.

Yeraza_Bats · Jun 18, 2017

To the OP, I cannot comment whether it is right or not to allow her to worship and pray to an idol in your house, because I really dont know.

But I think its awesome that you want to use the opportunity to help her come to Christ. I will totally pray for you in the situation.
Someone pointed out the story of David Wood and Nabeel Qureshi here-

notbythesword said:

And I would suggest this, too : p It would be really really good to learn about Islam and what it teaches, so that you can talk to her about it, and help her understand how its wrong. In fact, I have three verses Id like to share with you here-

Quran 3:3-4 "He has revealed to you the book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and he revealed the torah and the Gosple aforetime, a guidance for mankind, and he revealed the criterion."

Quran 5:47 "Let the people of the Gospel judge by what allah hath reveled therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel."

Quran 18:27 "And recite what has been revealed to you of the book of your lord, there is none who can alter his words; and you shall not find any refuge besides him"

According to these three verses, the word of allah cannot be changed by anyone. And the torah and the Gospel are from allah as well, and Christians are even commanded by allah to judge the quran against the Gospel. As Christians, we both know that the Gospel tells us that Christ was the Son of God who came to die for our sins : p If you can talk to her about things like this, I think it could totally be helpful. Definitely study up on the Bible and the quran, so that you can teach her how the two are not from the same God.

And its not hateful to tell someone you believe they are wrong. Islam exists to tell Christians they are wrong. And the Bible tells us that anyone who denies Christ is a false prophet. Everything should be done in love, but its not unloving to help someone see how a false prophet is a false prophet. Before I came to Christ, I had a Christian friend. We used to talk often about my life and Christ, and he would talk to me about how I was wrong. And if one of us became angry, he was good at moving to a new subject to let us cool off : p I dont believe theres a better thing a person can do in this world than help someone come to Christ.
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Kavik said:

Quran 4:171 "O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."

Allah is the same as your god? Are you sure you are a Christian?

Dan_473 · Jun 18, 2017

toinena said:

I have earlier written about my part time foster daughter that stays here every third week. She is a Muslim, but hasn't been that religious. We avoid pork when she is here, otherwise it goes very smoothly. Now she is here again, and she has changed. She wants to pray and wear hijab and cover herself when she is praying. And I feel bad. I don't really like that it is prayed to any other God than our Heavenly Father in my home. But I can't stop her, can I? It is OK that she doesn't eat when it is light, and she eats nuts, pizza and olives when she breaks fast. But prayer? Can I refuse her, or just be confident that we serve a mighty God and that my prayers in the Spirit will protect my home and that any other principalities have no authority in my house?

no easy answer, imo

God, please give my sister wisdom

Ps 31:3
For you are my rock and my fortress,
for your name’s sake
lead me
and guide me.

J7 · Jun 18, 2017

Apparently Jesus is the most mentioned person in the Koran - 25 times in all.

Also from the Koran:

He said, "Lo, I am God's servant; God has given me the Book, and made me a Prophet. Blessed He has made me, wherever I may be; and He has enjoined me to pray, and to give the alms, so long as I live, and likewise to cherish my mother; He has not made me arrogant, unprosperous. Peace be upon me, the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I am raised up alive!"

So Islam actually declares that Jesus dies and is raised back to life.

Curious

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Zen said:

Bingo!

Got the list of who that is? No?

Then why assume Toi's foster daughter isn't on that list in the future? Isn't Toi doing what she's supposed to be doing? Truth be known, we should all be doing what she is doing!

Toi is one of the few people on this site with every single excuse why she should NOT be doing this, and yet God is using her to do just this! Check out who Toi is! (Check out her previous posts and you start seeing an incredibly strong, resourceful, loving Christian.) And then tell me if you still have any doubt she is doing exactly what God has put in her heart to do!

And then ponder the next question hard -- what's holding you back? (And I'm wondering the same thing about myself.) You've taken to blasting Toi for what she is doing. I triple-dog-dare you to check her out and then do that. You really can't. And, if you do anyway? That's not God in you. That's the wickedness you worry about.

Once in a while -- not all the time, but once in a while -- it is good to step back from the usual assumption of bickering in this forum to look who is asking, before responding with the assumed "must bicker." Learn that, and maybe the assumption of bickering on this forum can be curbed. (I'm not against bickering. I'm against the haughty assumption of "bicker first, ask questions later.")

J7 · Jun 18, 2017

When I came to Spain, I asked everyone I met why the Spanish were so cruel, vile and obnoxious to their animals. I was told by everyone, "oh that's the Arab Islamic legacy". Strangely, that is not Islamic at all. Islam is very aware of animals as having feelings and rights.

Koran:
“If someone kills a sparrow for sport, the sparrow will cry out on the Day of Judgment, “O Lord! That person killed me in vain! He did not kill me for any useful purpose.

“God has ordained kindness (and excellence) in everything. If the killing (of animals) is to be done, do it in the best manner, and when you slaughter, do it in the best manner by first sharpening the knife, and putting the animal at ease.”
When you set your dog (for the chase), mention the name of God if he catches the game, and you reach it while it is still alive, cut, its throat quickly (so it won’t suffer).”

I finally got the correct answer the other day. It is a legacy of the Roman Catholic Church, which taught that animals did not have souls, and therefore could be treated like dirt.

miknik5 · Jun 18, 2017

We know that we can't convert anybody. That is GOD's work but as this poster said, she feels strongly that GOD has brought this girl to her so HE is working in this and her work is to pray for this girl that GOD may open the eyes and ears of her heart to THE TRUTH of THE GOSPEL

And that is what she seems to be doing

miknik5 · Jun 18, 2017

J7 said:

It doesn't change what was stated in GOD's WORD with regard to the shedding of the lifeblood of any man or animal

surprised that the Romans Catholics would excuse the WORD of GOD

Possibly you misunderstood in that an animal, unlike a man, doesn't have to concern himself with the fate of his soul because CHRIST didn't come to save animals but to save men

if a man kills either another man or an animal GOD is looking at the hidden agenda and intent of the heart of that man alone

J7 · Jun 18, 2017

Can you clarify?

miknik5 said:

It doesn't change what was stated in GOD's WORD with regard to the shedding of the lifeblood of any man or animal

surprised that the Romans Catholics would excuse the WORD of GOD

Possibly you misunderstood in that an animal, unlike a man, doesn't have to concern himself with the fate of his soul because CHRIST didn't come to save animals but to save men

if a man kills either another man or an animal GOD is looking at the hidden agenda and intent of the heart of that man alone

Yeraza_Bats · Jun 18, 2017

J7 said:

Jesus is called a prophet in Islam, its no secret that He is mentioned in the quran. The difference is the quran turns Him into something Hes not.

Btw, can you tell us where in the quran you found that verse?

J7 · Jun 18, 2017

Quran 19:33

Help! Ramadan is in my house.

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