Here is another passage for the law/sabbath keepers to explain away........

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Where in Genesis does it say thou shall not commit adultery ? thanks
 

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Or maybe you are still under the curse (Galatians 3:10-14) and that's why you reject Christ and keep the old law (who is more than the ten commandments, btw).
Oh the terrible curse of the Law...

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

What is the curse of the Law?

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Our inability to obey God and keep the Law WITHOUT the help of the Holy Spirit which was made available on Pentecost, 31AD.

(Interestingly enough, it was given on a Feast of the Lord from Lev 23, not on xmas or Ishtar or some other pagan holiday.)

Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Christ died to pay the penalty for our sins (the curse that meant eternal death) not to do away with the Law...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Again, pulling one verse out of context without reading all of Paul's writings brings a complete misunderstanding.
 
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Living by the Spirit has nothing to do with observing sabbath,special days and months, and seasons and years!

galatians 5
explain it simply to the point.

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Does one see the letters in bold that reads against such (i.e. the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance) there is no law? To use this verse to say the law is no more is a totally different matter.

Galatians 5:13-14
For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.For the whole Law is fulfilled in one word, in the statement, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
A big difference between "fulfill in" and "replaced by". If we truly love each other of course the law would not witness against us. The question is, do we? Just because we read the letter to the Galatians, in particular this verse, does not imply our love for each other is perfect.
The law is there, as a yardstick, to show where we are.
 
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Where in Genesis does it say thou shall not commit adultery ? thanks
Guess the reason why the 7th commandment, unlike the 4th, does not begin with "remember" :)
 

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Where in Genesis does it say thou shall not commit adultery ? thanks
Well boy howdy, how about this...

Gen 20:3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.
Gen 20:4 But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?
Gen 20:5 Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.
Gen 20:6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
Gen 20:7 Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine.
Gen 20:8 Therefore Abimelech rose early in the morning, and called all his servants, and told all these things in their ears: and the men were sore afraid.
Gen 20:9 Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done.
Gen 20:10 And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What sawest thou, that thou hast done this thing?
Gen 20:11 And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.

Here is a Gentile king that seems to know more about the Law than you do. He KNEW that sex with another man's wife is a sin (vs 6, 9) and KNEW that sex with another man's wife carried the death penalty (vs 3,6,7) and he also feared God and feared to break the seventh Commandment.
 
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Or maybe you are still under the curse (Galatians 3:10-14) and that's why you reject Christ and keep the old law (who is more than the ten commandments, btw).
Do you steal or worship idols ? Why or Why not ? thanks
 

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Why did God bless sanctify and made the 7th day Holy and not the first day 2nd day etc ?
When you are Creator God and all powerful and the One Lawgiver...

Jas 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

It is your prerogative to make the rules. When you are a weak human being subject to sin and death, your choice is not to make the rules but whether you will obey them or not...

Deu 8:1 All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers.
Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
Deu 8:3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.
 

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Well boy howdy, how about this...

Gen 20:3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.
Gen 20:4 But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?
Gen 20:5 Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.
Gen 20:6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
Gen 20:7 Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine.
Gen 20:8 Therefore Abimelech rose early in the morning, and called all his servants, and told all these things in their ears: and the men were sore afraid.
Gen 20:9 Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done.
Gen 20:10 And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What sawest thou, that thou hast done this thing?
Gen 20:11 And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.

Here is a Gentile king that seems to know more about the Law than you do. He KNEW that sex with another man's wife is a sin (vs 6, 9) and KNEW that sex with another man's wife carried the death penalty (vs 3,6,7) and he also feared God and feared to break the seventh Commandment.
Sorry Elect, meant this to Simona25, my mistake.
 

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Or maybe you are still under the curse (Galatians 3:10-14) and that's why you reject Christ and keep the old law (who is more than the ten commandments, btw).
If you think that you are not under the Law, trying breaking the sixth Commandment...

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
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Well boy howdy, how about this...

Gen 20:3 But God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and said to him, Behold, thou art but a dead man, for the woman which thou hast taken; for she is a man's wife.
Gen 20:4 But Abimelech had not come near her: and he said, Lord, wilt thou slay also a righteous nation?
Gen 20:5 Said he not unto me, She is my sister? and she, even she herself said, He is my brother: in the integrity of my heart and innocency of my hands have I done this.
Gen 20:6 And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.
Gen 20:7 Now therefore restore the man his wife; for he is a prophet, and he shall pray for thee, and thou shalt live: and if thou restore her not, know thou that thou shalt surely die, thou, and all that are thine.
Gen 20:8 Therefore Abimelech rose early in the morning, and called all his servants, and told all these things in their ears: and the men were sore afraid.
Gen 20:9 Then Abimelech called Abraham, and said unto him, What hast thou done unto us? and what have I offended thee, that thou hast brought on me and on my kingdom a great sin? thou hast done deeds unto me that ought not to be done.
Gen 20:10 And Abimelech said unto Abraham, What sawest thou, that thou hast done this thing?
Gen 20:11 And Abraham said, Because I thought, Surely the fear of God is not in this place; and they will slay me for my wife's sake.

Here is a Gentile king that seems to know more about the Law than you do. He KNEW that sex with another man's wife is a sin (vs 6, 9) and KNEW that sex with another man's wife carried the death penalty (vs 3,6,7) and he also feared God and feared to break the seventh Commandment.
Interesting isnt it that this is in Genesis before God actually gave Moses the ten commanments

Genesis 39:7-9King James Version (KJV)

7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

Interestigg he knew this was a sin before the ten commandment were given
 

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Interesting isnt it that this is in Genesis before God actually gave Moses the ten commanments

Genesis 39:7-9King James Version (KJV)

7 And it came to pass after these things, that his master's wife cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said, Lie with me.
8 But he refused, and said unto his master's wife, Behold, my master wotteth not what is with me in the house, and he hath committed all that he hath to my hand;
9 There is none greater in this house than I; neither hath he kept back any thing from me but thee, because thou art his wife: how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?

Interestigg he knew this was a sin before the ten commandment were given
Well known long before Abraham and Abimelech...

Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

And just what sin lay at the door?

Gen 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

Breaking the sixth Commandment.

Were the Commandments in effect and known prior to Ex 20?

Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

In fact...

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The word for Laws here is...

H8451
תּרה תּורה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
 
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i wonder why we will have sabbath in the new ?

Isaiah 66:22-23King James Version (KJV)

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
 

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i wonder why we will have sabbath in the new ?

Isaiah 66:22-23King James Version (KJV)

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
The Sabbath was, is and always will be the day that God hallowed and set aside.
 
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  • Simona25 are you still there are or theses truths sweeping away the lies of Sunday worship and you cant seem to find a verse to answer my friend
 
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The Sabbath was, is and always will be the day that God hallowed and set aside.
I wonder why we are to be bless sanctify and holy for God as He did the Sabbath
 

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I wonder why we are to be bless sanctify and holy for God as He did the Sabbath
There is a Lawless one who hates God and all that God stands for. God's Law describes who He is and the Lawless one wants to discredit Him...

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Iniquity, Lawlessness, the breaking of God's holy Law.
 
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Are you saying that anyone who believes will be saved?
ask god, when did, i, become your keeper, or oversee er. etc. (test the scripture , for your self.) that why it has been quote, so that you can look it up. etc
that(s) whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. john 3.16
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ask god, when did, i, become your keeper, or oversee er. etc. (test the scripture , for your self.) that why it has been quote, so that you can look it up. etc
that(s) whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. john 3.16
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That belief requires repentence. It envelops acting on that belief to the point you repent and desire eternal life.

satan believes............
 

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That belief requires repentence. It envelops acting on that belief to the point you repent and desire eternal life.

satan believes............
Repentance from what? Keeping the Law or breaking it?