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Me asking you a question is the same as you becoming my keeper? I thought we are to be our brothers' keepers, unlike Cain?
The demons believe, shall they be saved? Or is it that what distinguish mere belief from true belief is an active faith active through love? And that love is the fulfilling of God's Will we know as God's Law?
So, is it the truth that God still has a righteous path which He has set up for us to follow, a path of percepts, concepts, proverbial sayings, indeed, words from His own mouth which told us what is good or evil before His eyes?
I will certainly be my brother's keeper and let him know that God will not be mocked, His Will has not changed, only the method to fulfill that Will, my Brother.
The demons believe, shall they be saved? Or is it that what distinguish mere belief from true belief is an active faith active through love? And that love is the fulfilling of God's Will we know as God's Law?
So, is it the truth that God still has a righteous path which He has set up for us to follow, a path of percepts, concepts, proverbial sayings, indeed, words from His own mouth which told us what is good or evil before His eyes?
I will certainly be my brother's keeper and let him know that God will not be mocked, His Will has not changed, only the method to fulfill that Will, my Brother.
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The Law was given to a Gentile when it was written upon his heart by God Himself. Shall not a Gentile who was not given the Law judge you (Jew) who were given the Law when he naturally fulfill the Law?
The Law never did save. But faith in the Christ saved even those righteous of the Law from Hades.
The Law cannot be followed without a Temple, so God, through His Son, has made each person a Temple.
If Christ is the Cornerstone, then let us build our Temple upon Him, as to present ourselves as holy people before God.
If one is not a lawkeeper, then he is lawless. And we know that even under the New Covenant, those who are lawless are outside of the New Jerusalem. There has never been a place for those who are anti-law/lawless/lascivious in God's Kingdom, those who are offenders of His Glory.
The Law never did save. But faith in the Christ saved even those righteous of the Law from Hades.
The Law cannot be followed without a Temple, so God, through His Son, has made each person a Temple.
If Christ is the Cornerstone, then let us build our Temple upon Him, as to present ourselves as holy people before God.
If one is not a lawkeeper, then he is lawless. And we know that even under the New Covenant, those who are lawless are outside of the New Jerusalem. There has never been a place for those who are anti-law/lawless/lascivious in God's Kingdom, those who are offenders of His Glory.
Until mankind drifted away from God, after the great flood, all men had some knowledge of the commandments of God, for there was oral tradition, thus the concept of sin, breaking God's law, was always present until mankind forgot God and His commandments and drifted to things conceived of or made with their own hands. This is how Abram came to be chosen, and the father of all who believe in Spirit and truth, the Jew first, and then the Greek. It is all revealed in plain language in the Old Testament, should any who do not already know all of this care to read it. Shalom to all in Jesus Christ, amen.
HEBREWS 4:3-6, For we which have believed do enter into rest, as He said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into My rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all His works. And in this place again, if they shall enter into My rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
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Do you feel the same way about the blood and the gospel of Jesus Christ and him crucified? Do not these make up our faith and what all men are to believe to be saved and not perish? All scripture is given by inspiration and it is to be preached to all men everywhere, whether they be Jew or Gentile in this world. Is their any other name under heaven among men whereby we can be saved? Christ is the Sabbath rest for the people of God, not a certain day and we enter into that rest when we come to Him, he gives us his rest as the Lord of the Sabbath. When we are placed in Christ at salvation we have entered into His rest as a member of the household and family of God. We are hid with Christ (our salvation rest) in God and we are complete in Him. There is no law that can make us complete in Christ nor any deed that can justify us except to believe upon the Son.
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Every time someone quotes that the devils believe they relate it to salvation in relationship to justification which is handling that verse irresponsibly. The devils believe there is one God and no other and they tremble. That is all that means and there is no reading into it as part of the context. Jesus did not shed his blood for the sin or iniquity of devils, he shed it only for those who were created in his image and became part of the fall through Adam. There is no application to salvation or mental assent to discredit what God does when he saves a sinner by grace through faith and to do so with devils is a terrible interpretation.
Having an active faith is not a by-product of salvation or even having the love of God active in our heart on a continuous basis. Having our sins washed by the blood of Christ and being justified once and forever is a by-product of salvation and we have that forever in Christ.
Having an active faith is not a by-product of salvation or even having the love of God active in our heart on a continuous basis. Having our sins washed by the blood of Christ and being justified once and forever is a by-product of salvation and we have that forever in Christ.
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ISAIAH 48 [17] THUS SAITH THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
ISAIAH 48 [17] THUS SAITH THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL; I am the LORD thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
JER.16 [19] O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, THE GENTILES shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely OUR FATHERS HAVE INHERITED LIES, VANITY, AND THINGS WHEREIN THERE IS NO PROFIT.
Aint lookin good for most gentiles as they have made Gods law void
Aint lookin good for most gentiles as they have made Gods law void
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Yes, they believe in one God and tremble. Apparently, it would seem that mere believe or fear of God is not enough. It says that a faith active through love is the only thing that matters to Jesus. What is more apparent is that their believe does not have active love. So, if it is acts of love which distinguish one's mere believe from active faith, then that is what distinguishes the demons mere believe from someone who has faith Jesus finds worthy, a faith active through love.
Of course Jesus did not shed His blood for demons, but we can see from that what a mere believe will get one, it has no value to Jesus. It was a gracious act from God to save sinners through faith and not deeds of the flesh, but a faith without works is dead, a mere believe. Of course an active faith is not a by-product of faith, but, nevertheless, it is a by-product of one putting his faith into action.
If one is justified (found innocent) once and for all, then tell me, would you preach lasciviousness? NO!!!! Why not? Could it have something to do with God's known Will and what He says about those who are lawless/anti-law (doing what is opposite of what the Law says is good before God) and how they will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Yet, if one is justified once and for all by mere believe, then why would the Spirit inspire the following:
Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified"?
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; (Does not the Law have a role in the Christian life? Does not even our conscious concur with this fact?)
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Rom 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
Rom 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; (Does not the Law instruct us as to what His Will is for us?)
God has a path which leads to Him. Certainly, Jesus did not abolish that path, when all-in-all, it says that God wrote that Law upon our hearts. Jesus did not come to destroy His Father's Will, but to uphold the same through love and to teach others of His Way to the Father, spiritually....
Of course Jesus did not shed His blood for demons, but we can see from that what a mere believe will get one, it has no value to Jesus. It was a gracious act from God to save sinners through faith and not deeds of the flesh, but a faith without works is dead, a mere believe. Of course an active faith is not a by-product of faith, but, nevertheless, it is a by-product of one putting his faith into action.
If one is justified (found innocent) once and for all, then tell me, would you preach lasciviousness? NO!!!! Why not? Could it have something to do with God's known Will and what He says about those who are lawless/anti-law (doing what is opposite of what the Law says is good before God) and how they will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Yet, if one is justified once and for all by mere believe, then why would the Spirit inspire the following:
Rom 2:13 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified"?
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; (Does not the Law have a role in the Christian life? Does not even our conscious concur with this fact?)
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Rom 2:17 Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
Rom 2:18 And knowest his will, and approvest the things that are more excellent, being instructed out of the law; (Does not the Law instruct us as to what His Will is for us?)
God has a path which leads to Him. Certainly, Jesus did not abolish that path, when all-in-all, it says that God wrote that Law upon our hearts. Jesus did not come to destroy His Father's Will, but to uphold the same through love and to teach others of His Way to the Father, spiritually....
what law, see, your problem. who told him of the law given to moses.
[SUP]28 And he said to them, "You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; and yet God has shown me that I should not call any man unholy or unclean.29 That is why I came without even raising any objection when I was sent for. So I ask for what reason you have sent for me."
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[SUP]28 And he said to them, "You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him; and yet God has shown me that I should not call any man unholy or unclean.29 That is why I came without even raising any objection when I was sent for. So I ask for what reason you have sent for me."
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[SUP]then brother , ware dose the believers righteousness come from.22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ
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[SUP]7 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
[/SUP]and if your doing anything for god.
[SUP]5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith--
[SUP]6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?
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[SUP]7 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
[/SUP]and if your doing anything for god.
[SUP]5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith--
[SUP]6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?
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In salvation God writes His moral laws upon our heart; God obviously is making our sinful heart into a righteous heart , to obey His laws. In the new birth God gives us His righteous nature, so we become righteous in nature. We also receive the imputed record of Christ's perfect law keeping as our new record in Heaven. royalscot, you are totally missing the imparted new nature of the Born again Christian. With only a half of God's work of salvation , you will never get into Heaven. Love to all, Hoffco
your only lawkeepers if you believe, the law saves you. acts 15 asks, what law was given to a gentile,what law was given or ever given to a gentile. ie why meet,
[SUP]6 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
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[SUP]22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ [/SUP]
who gave the law to a gentile. if your saved by grace a gift.
[SUP]8 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.3
what jewish person, went to a gentile home, or spoke to him.(going out side, the law of moses)
28 And he said to them, "You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him;act 10
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[SUP]6 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
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[SUP]22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ [/SUP]
who gave the law to a gentile. if your saved by grace a gift.
[SUP]8 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.3
what jewish person, went to a gentile home, or spoke to him.(going out side, the law of moses)
28 And he said to them, "You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a man who is a Jew to associate with a foreigner or to visit him;act 10
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In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea,[SUP]2 "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."3 For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah when he said,
[/SUP]oral repent. the teacher of law and pharasee s , what were they saying, take a animal up to the temple,for forgivness.
did i. you have to believe first. to get anything hoffco.
[SUP]6 [/SUP][SUP]"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.[/SUP]