Here is another passage for the law/sabbath keepers to explain away........

[LEPIDUS]

What does one scripture of prophecy have to do with it? What have you got against the new testament and the many times it talks about the law being passe? Not one place in the bible does it talk about "moral law". You people make up a lot of stuff to try to convince yourself false doctrine is good. You certainly aren't convincing anyone that reads and believes the bible. All this false doctrine does, whether it be OSAS, must be baptized, must keep sabbath, must keep law, or women can be pastors is lead you to hell. Not my words, the bible's. Take it up with God. All I am doing is pointing out His truth.

If you understood that prophecy you would not be making vain assertions. If you really want to know why I presented it in this thread feel free to read this http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/98642-sacrifice-oblation.html

lol I have nothing against the new testament, I just like to point out the obvious, allow scripture to interpret itself within the context of the whole Bible. If you don't like that, then that is your problem.

I don't know who you are talking about when you say, "you people", but I can speak for myself and assure you that I seek the truth, I don't need to convince myself of the truth. I pray you seek it out too.

lol and I am not preaching I am presenting scripture and asking questions. I don't have a problem with God as He is with me.

All you are doing is rejecting the truth and showing your fruit.

1 John 2:

3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

By this verse I cannot accept your assertion as the truth; So God bless you, and I pray you have understanding.

 

[Kerry]

Law that's funny to me, how many of you can keep law? If you can then why did Jesus die on the cross, guess your above that.

 

[cfultz3]

Law that's funny to me, how many of you can keep law? If you can then why did Jesus die on the cross, guess your above that.

I am told to be as perfect as the Father in Heaven is in His undivided love. But, I still got this thing wrapped around my soul called flesh. But, I guess, for the meantime, I will love the best I can, and by which, I will walk pleasingly before God according to His Path He has set before me, that path which is established by His eternal Word.

 

[LEPIDUS]

Law that's funny to me, how many of you can keep law? If you can then why did Jesus die on the cross, guess your above that.

You are still in elementary teachings, God bless you.

 

[KohenMatt]

Law that's funny to me, how many of you can keep law? If you can then why did Jesus die on the cross, guess your above that.

I can keep the Law, albeit imperfectly, but still successfully much of the time.

And again, it has nothing to do with negating Jesus' sacrifice, although faulty men have made it to be so.

 

[john832]

They also seem to miss these scriptures...




1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Keeping all the Commandments is loving God and is God's love.

Rom 13:9 For the commandments, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," "YOU SHALL NOT MURDER," "YOU SHALL NOT STEAL," "YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS," "YOU SHALL NOT COVET," and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."

Keeping the last six is loving your neighbor as yourself.[/QUO

[SUP]8 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.3
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see the difference by faith, or through faith.
[SUP]9 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
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So, let me ask you, are gentiles justified by faith while murdering, committing adultery, lying and stealing? While taking God's holy name in vain, while worshipping idols?

Is anyone justified while continually disregarding the Ten Commandments?

 

[john832]

Law that's funny to me, how many of you can keep law? If you can then why did Jesus die on the cross, guess your above that.

Oh, so this is justification to wantonly break the Law? Please explain to me why one should disregard the Law. I am awaiting an answer.

 

[royalscot]

If what you got from what I said is that we can command or instruct God, I am left dumbfounded.

Indeed, God showed His required righteousness for us apart from the Law and that righteousness is placing our faith in Christ. But, has that faith now liberated us to walk as we please on God's righteous path? Be for real, God's righteous path has not been darkened just because we are weak in the flesh. Has not Christ given us a new method to follow that path, namely: spiritually and by love, as oppose to physically and by letter of Law?

when , the lesson was never command , but stand in faith.
some say like adam and jesus. dont need proaganda, the gate never came through the now word.
that why there will all ways be a foolish path, that thinks i knows best. the joy of death.the life a none believer will never see. who can instruct god etc. abraham did read the middle man first. and when you get to jesus, with god s ................... law or grace. lol

 

[royalscot]

saving grace or law etc

 

[cfultz3]

when , the lesson was never command , but stand in faith.
some say like adam and jesus. dont need proaganda, the gate never came through the now word.
that why there will all ways be a foolish path, that thinks i knows best. the joy of death.the life a none believer will never see. who can instruct god etc. abraham did read the middle man first. and when you get to jesus, with god s ................... law or grace. lol

Out of due respect, I am sorry but I was not at all able to comprehend anything from this. Will you try another way?

 

[Scuba]

Law that's funny to me, how many of you can keep law? If you can then why did Jesus die on the cross, guess your above that.

So I'm sleeping around, lying, stealing, killing, profaning the Sabbath and worshiping all kinds of gods and then all of a sudden Jesus dies on a cross. What should happen next?

 

[royalscot]

Out of due respect, I am sorry but I was not at all able to comprehend anything from this. Will you try another way?

i am surprised . you see anything.
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber.

law or grace, got you through the gate.

But, has that faith now liberated us to walk as we please on God's righteous path? Be for real, God's righteous path has not been darkened just because we are weak in the flesh. Has not Christ given us a new method to follow that path, namely: spiritually and by love, as oppose to physically and by letter of Law? (your quote)
new covenant ,
what path or walk, you seem to think you can control, something, when like, abraham died believing , and jesus came many years later. (by promise)
all fall short in the flesh, what makes you think, this has changed.

 

[Kerry]

So I'm sleeping around, lying, stealing, killing, profaning the Sabbath and worshiping all kinds of gods and then all of a sudden Jesus dies on a cross. What should happen next?

The Holy Spirit enters your life and all of a sudden you no longer enjoy those things

 

[Kerry]

You are still in elementary teachings, God bless you.

Elementary, what else is there and explain. Have you surpassed the cross? I guess now your seated at the right hand of the Father. Can you do no wrong?

 

[Kerry]

What law can you keep? what commandment will save you? the only thing we have is the blood of Jesus Christ and nothing else. When will you wake up, your works are filthy rags, you are not good enough and never will be. It is the cross and Will stand by the cross until I am called home.

 

[royalscot]

Yes, our righteousness comes from placing our trust in God. So then, let us trust our Shepherd in His walk leading us on a path which is good before God, not a path darkened with offense, but one which is in the Light. Certainly, our Shepherd will not cause us to be offenders, but in every wit, will have us to walk as He did, fulfilling God's Will.

yes or no answer. when did your walk, come into the equation.

22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ


9 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.

 

[JaumeJ]

It is not works to obey our Father. Jesus Christ obeyed the Father, and Jesus Christ is now our model to emulate, so is obedience contrary to grace in your book? My Book says it is natural and necessary if one wishes to enter the Kingdom of God. Examine yourself, your posts, they are confused.

The Holy Spirit enters your life and all of a sudden you no longer enjoy those things

What law can you keep? what commandment will save you? the only thing we have is the blood of Jesus Christ and nothing else. When will you wake up, your works are filthy rags, you are not good enough and never will be. It is the cross and Will stand by the cross until I am called home.

 

[Kerry]

It is not works to obey our Father. Jesus Christ obeyed the Father, and Jesus Christ is now our model to emulate, so is obedience contrary to grace in your book? My Book says it is natural and necessary if one wishes to enter the Kingdom of God. Examine yourself, your posts, they are confused.

Jack the law did not work get that through your thick skull, if the law worked then why the cross? We cannot keep law it is impossible again why the cross. The cross was given to us because we cannot keep law. With that said, when we accept the cross we are then inspired by the Holy Spirit and His help to obey Gods morality. When a person is saved they no longer want to do the things they did before, is that right? they are changed by the Holy Spirit, not what law they obey.

 

[JaumeJ]

According to Paul the law is holy and it is established by faith. The Psalmists laud the law because they understood it in the grace that is God. If this were not so, how would David have written by the Holy Spirit, blessed is the man whose sin is forgiven whose transgression is not imputed against him?

I do not know if your skull is thick or thin, but sin did not disappear at the cross, it is the guilt of sin, and sin is no longer imputed against us. It is the curse of the law that was nailed to the cross, not the law. The curse of the law is contained withing the structure of the law. If you learn from Jesus Christ you will know which laws are to be replaced by grace, and it takes very little thinking to see them, unless the viewer has a heart of stone.

If you believe because the Holy Spirit has entered into you that you are no longer a sinner, then you have acheived perfection. No, we are regarded as innocent, but to break God's good laws deliberately is not to be. Jesus is the only One Who is and was perfect for you and for me. We are still to observe the law under grace. Do not steal, do not covet, honor our parents and much more. These laws are good, and are not nailed to the cross. Please do not teach against the laws of morality, for Jesus teaches we should never teach agains His laws, and they are all His laws, from Moses to Paul.

 

[Kerry]

why the cross Jack, why the cross if law was all we needed?