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[SUP]strange , when did i get the right to say, who god saves, and dose not save.7 "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;38 give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you."
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how can you repent from a law that was given to a jewish people. transfer to a gentile in the new covenent,
if jesus has forfilled the requirement of law. (died) death being conquered.
And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
[SUP]16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,"
17 then he adds,
"I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more."
[SUP] 8 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
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what i am asking is, when was the law of moses given to a gentile.
when did this law save anyone.
[SUP]22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ [/SUP]
if jesus has forfilled the requirement of law. (died) death being conquered.
And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying,
[SUP]16 "This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,"
17 then he adds,
"I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more."
[SUP] 8 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.
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what i am asking is, when was the law of moses given to a gentile.
when did this law save anyone.
[SUP]22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fallshort of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ [/SUP]
for a jew or a gentile. by faith or through faith. both believed this
[SUP]9 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
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just like abraham believed, that god, could raise the dead, a gentile believed, god raised jesus from the dead.
[SUP]8 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
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acts 10 when was he told to repent. when the holy spirit was give to him.
[SUP]44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.
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( about 48 ad dated )acts 15, what law was being talked about, and how much of that law was given to a gentile.
[SUP]0 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
[/SUP]prove the law was given to a gentile.
[SUP]9 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
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just like abraham believed, that god, could raise the dead, a gentile believed, god raised jesus from the dead.
[SUP]8 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,30 since God is one---who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.
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acts 10 when was he told to repent. when the holy spirit was give to him.
[SUP]44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.45 And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.
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( about 48 ad dated )acts 15, what law was being talked about, and how much of that law was given to a gentile.
[SUP]0 Now, therefore, why are you putting God to the test by placing a yoke on the neck of the disciples that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."
[/SUP]prove the law was given to a gentile.
was jesus sent to a jewish people that had the law of moses. or a gentile people that had the law of moses.
[SUP]For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near.2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins?3 But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year.4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.
5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,
"Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
but a body have you prepared for me;
6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
you have taken no pleasure.
7 Then I said, 'Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.'"
8 When he said above, "You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings" (these are offered according to the law),9 then he added, "Behold, I have come to do your will." He does away with the first in order to establish the second.1
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no i am saying jesus saved you. from the law. new covenent, why go back to law, when you know that jesus saved you.
[SUP]19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law.22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
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Jesus was made under the law to fulfill it and also to do away with the cere. law, while keeping in tack/place, the moral law for us under the new Cov.. royalscot, you seem to be arguing for immoral sinners to go to heaven without any person holiness; this is just totally out side of God eternal plan, of The Gospel according to godliness. You are sending people to hell, thinking they are saved, forgiven ONLY. and not Born Of God. Love Hoffco
old forfilled. new started. change. when were you ever holy. perfect in the eyes of god. (by any form of law, in thought or deed)
22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
6 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
did you answer yes or no to this question. did god send his son.
2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith
5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith---6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?
that would be to a gentile,
that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal etc
22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus
6 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
did you answer yes or no to this question. did god send his son.
2 Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith
5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith---6 just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"?
that would be to a gentile,
that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal etc
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Yes, our righteousness comes from placing our trust in God. So then, let us trust our Shepherd in His walk leading us on a path which is good before God, not a path darkened with offense, but one which is in the Light. Certainly, our Shepherd will not cause us to be offenders, but in every wit, will have us to walk as He did, fulfilling God's Will.
Daniel 9:
27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering.
Did He not put and end to sacrifice and offering when He was crucified? So it is safe to say the ceremonial laws were fulfilled, The Ten Commandments are not about shadows of Christ.
27 And he shall make a strong covenant with many for one week, and for half of the week he shall put an end to sacrifice and offering.
Did He not put and end to sacrifice and offering when He was crucified? So it is safe to say the ceremonial laws were fulfilled, The Ten Commandments are not about shadows of Christ.
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Because He expressed this harm (evil) towards Him and others during the time of the Old Covenant. If only He would have said it during the New Covenant, then we would accept what He says is offensive towards Him. But, then again, He did tell us to Love during the New Covenant. And this Love, does it not uphold the Law? That same Law written upon our hearts and is carried out through love?
O' but that people might see that Love, when it is carried out, does adhere to the Law.
O' but that people might see that Love, when it is carried out, does adhere to the Law.
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The Holy Spirit is the only agency that God has given to man who can make the love of God operative in the heart of the believer. Keeping the law does not make love operative in the heart. Example: A married man who is not saved, is not interested in keeping the law of the commandments and does not have the Holy Spirit, yet loves his wife and is faithful to her and vowed to be a one woman man. This man loves his wife without the law or the Holy Spirit and is fulfilling his vows as a man and husband. This man is not regenerated and could even reject Christ and the gospel when presented. His love for his wife will not save him or give him the righteousness of God and if you asked him about keeping the commandments he would probably reject you and those commandments. This man's love is not fulfilling any law but his love is being responsible to the one he has vowed to love in his marriage. He operates in a principle of human love that puts one woman as his wife which includes the marriage bed.
You are going to tell me that he is fulfilling the law by loving his wife and not violating that love by going out an committing adultery even in his heart as Jesus preached. He is to be commended for his faithfulness and that is for sure, but if he embezzles money on the job and takes what does not belong to him or has his own religion and worship of a god or mammon, he has violated the law of commandments and not fulfilled it. For it is one law and if you offend in any point you have violated the whole law. Conclusion: His love for his wife never fulfilled the law of commandments because he has violated the law and become a transgressor by taking what does not belong to him or offended the law in some other point. His guilt would prove that he has never operated in the love of God and that his love for his wife, though very strong, only represents a form of love that he is able to operate in based upon human relationship and not the law or the cross of Christ through the Spirit.
When a believer is operating in the love of God through the Holy Spirit, that is when the spirit of the law is fulfilled. It is not in keeping the law in the flesh that we fulfill it, but it is by being filled with the love of God through the Spirit that fulfills it in spirit and not the letter (Rom 7:6, 2 Cor 3:6).
You are going to tell me that he is fulfilling the law by loving his wife and not violating that love by going out an committing adultery even in his heart as Jesus preached. He is to be commended for his faithfulness and that is for sure, but if he embezzles money on the job and takes what does not belong to him or has his own religion and worship of a god or mammon, he has violated the law of commandments and not fulfilled it. For it is one law and if you offend in any point you have violated the whole law. Conclusion: His love for his wife never fulfilled the law of commandments because he has violated the law and become a transgressor by taking what does not belong to him or offended the law in some other point. His guilt would prove that he has never operated in the love of God and that his love for his wife, though very strong, only represents a form of love that he is able to operate in based upon human relationship and not the law or the cross of Christ through the Spirit.
When a believer is operating in the love of God through the Holy Spirit, that is when the spirit of the law is fulfilled. It is not in keeping the law in the flesh that we fulfill it, but it is by being filled with the love of God through the Spirit that fulfills it in spirit and not the letter (Rom 7:6, 2 Cor 3:6).
saved by a gift. when did it say we can we command god. or instruct god. when he gave us a way out.
[SUP]21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
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[SUP]21 But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;
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If what you got from what I said is that we can command or instruct God, I am left dumbfounded.
Indeed, God showed His required righteousness for us apart from the Law and that righteousness is placing our faith in Christ. But, has that faith now liberated us to walk as we please on God's righteous path? Be for real, God's righteous path has not been darkened just because we are weak in the flesh. Has not Christ given us a new method to follow that path, namely: spiritually and by love, as oppose to physically and by letter of Law?
Indeed, God showed His required righteousness for us apart from the Law and that righteousness is placing our faith in Christ. But, has that faith now liberated us to walk as we please on God's righteous path? Be for real, God's righteous path has not been darkened just because we are weak in the flesh. Has not Christ given us a new method to follow that path, namely: spiritually and by love, as oppose to physically and by letter of Law?
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What does one scripture of prophecy have to do with it? What have you got against the new testament and the many times it talks about the law being passe? Not one place in the bible does it talk about "moral law". You people make up a lot of stuff to try to convince yourself false doctrine is good. You certainly aren't convincing anyone that reads and believes the bible. All this false doctrine does, whether it be OSAS, must be baptized, must keep sabbath, must keep law, or women can be pastors is lead you to hell. Not my words, the bible's. Take it up with God. All I am doing is pointing out His truth.
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2Jn 1:5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Love.....it fulfills God's Law