Holiness Is Not Legalism

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JaumeJ

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I belive I am within my wits in what I have posgted. I refuse to be involved with any kind of self-appointed legalism, that is playing the legal advocate for others as a lwyer or a judge.

If what I understand about Pentacostals wanting to consult God whenever they act, I find this desire quite noble. It is better than concerning ourselves with whether others are approved or not by God simplyt because they believe they should always ask Him, whether it be by His Holy spirit or in prayer.

Cursed be teh man who puts his trust in man. Bless all who put their trust in God, amen.

PS.. If you love Jesus Chrsi, I love you.........but I will always post waht I b elieve I understand from the Word....
 
PeterJens

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JaumeJ said:
I belive I am within my wits in what I have posgted. I refuse to be involved with any kind of self-appointed legalism, that is playing the legal advocate for others as a lwyer or a judge.

If what I understand about Pentacostals wanting to consult God whenever they act, I find this desire quite noble. It is better than concerning ourselves with whether others are approved or not by God simplyt because they believe they should always ask Him, whether it be by His Holy spirit or in prayer.

Cursed be teh man who puts his trust in man. Bless all who put their trust in God, amen.

PS.. If you love Jesus Chrsi, I love you.........but I will always post waht I b elieve I understand from the Word....
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I applaud everyone who consults the Lord about all their actions. Amen.

The problem is simple. Is good, good, or only good depending who does it and why?

This is partly a moral problem but also essential to the Kingdom.
Justice is always impartial as this verse illustrates

Since you call on a Father who judges each person’s work impartially, live out your time as foreigners here in reverent fear.
1 Peter 1:17

But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.
Jame 3:17

The parable of the good samaritan works because the Jews regarded them as evil
and lost yet it was they who did the good deed to the man beaten up and hurt.

But we have a group who appear to be full of grace but regard this act as evil if
the good samaritan was not a believer. ( a thread got involved in this issue once )
 
JaumeJ

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When it comes to who does it and why, this really is not for ust to judge unless it is flagrant. If the reasoning is contained in the hearts of brthren, only God knows.

You and I are required by Jesus Christ to judge for ourselves, for ourselves, what is right, correect, but never for others..

There will always be false brethren, but they will not endure within the Body of Christ, not for long.

If you are completely at ease in the sight of our Father in your resoning, do not worry. I would never think ill of you. By the same token, I cannot fault anyone for believing consulting the Holy Spirit as they walk is in any manner error.

One thing I do know, if a person practices this in spirit and truth, he cannot be faulted. As for those who are false, again, they will not endure. God bless you always.
 
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JaumeJ said:
I belive I am within my wits in what I have posgted. I refuse to be involved with any kind of self-appointed legalism, that is playing the legal advocate for others as a lwyer or a judge.

If what I understand about Pentacostals wanting to consult God whenever they act, I find this desire quite noble. It is better than concerning ourselves with whether others are approved or not by God simplyt because they believe they should always ask Him, whether it be by His Holy spirit or in prayer.

Cursed be teh man who puts his trust in man. Bless all who put their trust in God, amen.

PS.. If you love Jesus Chrsi, I love you.........but I will always post waht I b elieve I understand from the Word....
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This has nothing to do with denominationalsim, or who said what, It has to do with your words.

I highlighted your words, and showed you what I was speaking of. So I did not take you quote of context.

If you say ones salvation is in peril based on what he does (how obedient he is) Your teaching law. Which is legalism..

so to say we call you a lagalist just because you preach obedience (like many of you do) is a lie, because that is just not true.
 
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JaumeJ said:
When it comes to who does it and why, this really is not for ust to judge unless it is flagrant. If the reasoning is contained in the hearts of brthren, only God knows.

You and I are required by Jesus Christ to judge for ourselves, for ourselves, what is right, correect, but never for others..

There will always be false brethren, but they will not endure within the Body of Christ, not for long.

If you are completely at ease in the sight of our Father in your resoning, do not worry. I would never think ill of you. By the same token, I cannot fault anyone for believing consulting the Holy Spirit as they walk is in any manner error.

One thing I do know, if a person practices this in spirit and truth, he cannot be faulted. As for those who are false, again, they will not endure. God bless you always.
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ever read about the pharisees? They endured following God for a lifetime. The catholic church is almost as old as the jewish body now.. yet they are not true believers. any more than jews who follow judaism are.

But they were wrong,, and will be in hell unless the repented.

so saying a false church will fade away or false people will fade away may not be true.
 
JaumeJ

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My posts this evening have dealt with one theme, that it is good to consult with God as one acts on his path given him by God.

If you are in the mood to make reference to the Pharisees, whether to the hypocrites or those who believed, this is your perfect right, but do not ask me about them. This is not what I make reference to.

There has not been error in what I have posted regarding this noble manner of pleasing ur Father.

ou may keep bring up everything and anything, but this is not what I have been posting about. Perhaps you may want to tak about Saul, Samuel and David. There are lots of references to them in the Word, but it is not what I am talking about.

Good night from over here.................j
 
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eternally-gratefull

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JaumeJ said:
My posts this evening have dealt with one theme, that it is good to consult with God as one acts on his path given him by God.

If you are in the mood to make reference to the Pharisees, whether to the hypocrites or those who believed, this is your perfect right, but do not ask me about them. This is not what I make reference to.

There has not been error in what I have posted regarding this noble manner of pleasing ur Father.

ou may keep bring up everything and anything, but this is not what I have been posting about. Perhaps you may want to tak about Saul, Samuel and David. There are lots of references to them in the Word, but it is not what I am talking about.

Good night from over here.................j
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So God gives different people different paths to heaven? Just making sure I understand you right.

Again, All I did was comment about something you said, one must wonder why you have never even responded to that comment, and tried to show us what you meant by it if I was wrong in what I thought you said..
 
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Some are called legalistic for obeying God. If that makes me leagalistic in your book, so be it. Can we use pizza and Pepsi for the Lord's supper instead of unleavened bread and fruit of the vine? If you say 'no' then you are legalistic. Why can't we change anything Christ established? Because that's how we recognize the one true church of the bible- by seeing if it matches what Christ purchased with His blood.
 
JaumeJ

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Once I attended a church serice at what I thought was a good Christian church. The bread and the wind (?) were out for communion. I was, let us say, astoished to see a big fat loaf of leavened bread and what could have been wine.

We are to "do this in honor of Me whenever we do it," so I opted not to partake at that particular serice.

Do all people kn ow it is unleavened bread? Do all people know what unleaveaned bread is? God bless everyone everywhere....
 
PeterJens

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JaumeJ said:
Once I attended a church serice at what I thought was a good Christian church. The bread and the wind (?) were out for communion. I was, let us say, astoished to see a big fat loaf of leavened bread and what could have been wine.

We are to "do this in honor of Me whenever we do it," so I opted not to partake at that particular serice.

Do all people kn ow it is unleavened bread? Do all people know what unleaveaned bread is? God bless everyone everywhere....
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I go to a baptist church, and we have communion with leavened bread and grape juice.
The principle we are following is honouring and remembering the Lord in the breaking of bread.

You can go from transubstanciation theology, and praying over the wafers etc as the actual
body and blood of Christ, to the symbols of the rememberance.

I say praise the Lord that people are remembering Christ, that is a good thing.
People of all views can end up getting the wrong idea about it all or see it in its right context.

Which is Holy and divine and which is legalistic and merely conforming without power?
I would say it is in the faith of the participant.
 
JaumeJ

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Keep theologies away from Christ's teachings. He is the Bread fromHeaven, and it is His Word that we live on, every word that proceeds from His mouth.

It is His life that is poured out for us. We now share that life.

I prefer to beware of teh leaviening of the scribes and the Pharisees.

Hving said all of this. If one believes he is celebrating communkion with Jesus christ with leavened bread and grape juice, I imagine if it is done with a clear conscience in the sight of God, it is just fine.

Myself, without theologies getting in my face, I believe I understand what I am doing when I remember Jesus when breaking bread.

As far as communion is concernend, we, most anyway, commune with God daily, with or without breaking bread. How it came to be called communion is a tradition of man, for all I know of is breaking bread in memoby of Jesus Christ, and drinking the wind. We are not called to be cannibals.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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OneFaith said:
Some are called legalistic for obeying God.
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See here is the lie. No one has ever been called legalistic for obeying God. You need to stop listening to the ones who use this straw man argument to defend their legalism.

A legalist is ones who based their salvation on obedience.

A child of God is one who obeys God because he is saved.

If that makes me leagalistic in your book, so be it. Can we use pizza and Pepsi for the Lord's supper instead of unleavened bread and fruit of the vine? If you say 'no' then you are legalistic. Why can't we change anything Christ established? Because that's how we recognize the one true church of the bible- by seeing if it matches what Christ purchased with His blood.
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So you want to be like them, and mock something you are not understanding?

Do you believe taking the lords supper cleanses you from sin, and if you do not take the lords supper as required your salvation is in peril?

If you do your a legalist

If however, you take it because you love your savior and want to obey his voice. but Not in order to maintain salvation. Then you are child of God who is acting on your salvation.

please.. Try to listen to what people say
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If I understand JaumeJ he is telling us that we all have a different journey to the throne.

Salvation is the same for all of us but the journey is going to be different.
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He may just be, Of course he could have told me that.

If he did not make comments such as this

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It should always be not ony permissable but avisable to cosult with God on all actions that come into question. If we go against anything God dwelling within us does not want we are putting salvation, albeit free as it is, into jeapardy.
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It would not have been a question. But when he says stuff like that. It is easy to see, he believes people get saved in their own way.. If our salvation can be put in question by our actions. We better act right right?? Which means each one of us have our own way to God. (because each of us have different struggles
 
JaumeJ

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The truth is God showed me many decades ago that there are many ways to the same end, the Kingdom of God. Some are easier than others, while some are very difficult but each is according to His will. I did not, nor will I argue with what I know is from my Heavenly Father who loves you, and me the same.

I pray your way is one of the easiere ways shown to me, mine was shown as a very dark path leading up a mountian with no trees along the way........It has not beena picnic, but I would not trade it for any of the others. It is my Father's choice. His will be done, amen.
 
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