Holy Spirit - teaching and leading us into God

[Stunnedbygrace]

I find it interesting no-one has said your conscience is satan condemning you.

I doubt any christian has satan saying stuff in their heads. I am sure our subconscious is quite capable of putting up counter arguments to anything we are thinking without any prompting. And to be honest, those thoughts often have a valid place.

Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.
Eph 4:14

What came as a shock to me, is that I cannot trust myself. My whole body is set up to keep me happy and stable at whatever cost. Unfortunately that is often in contradiction to the Lords leading. That is a hard step, to learn you are betrayed by yourself. As far as I have learnt this is why it takes time, balancing things out, working it through.

Take a page out of Gods book. To save us he need to have all the experiences in 1,000's of peoples lives, put it in a book and we still get it wrong. Look at the prophets. Some good and faithful, but screw up one important step, dead.

So the stakes are high, and the words and miss-guidance many, but Jesus and the Holy Spirit will steer you through.

But to deny your conscience is spiritual suicide. Because of peoples silence, I am sure many of you are not sure.

A psychopath has no conscience, it is clean and clinical and deadly. That is where you end up if you go down this road.

A verse came to mind that supports what you are saying. I think it was Paul speaking. He said, if I think something is wrong and I do it anyway, it IS sin for me. He speaks about younger believers having weaker consciences, telling them it would be wrong to eat a certain thing. Paul says he knows eating it is not sin because idols aren't even real Gods but we shouldn't argue people out of what their weaker conscience says to them to not do. They will grow stronger in the Lord and just because we have knowledge from the Lord that they might not have yet is no reason to arrogantly argue with them and try to get them not to listen to their conscience. We have to take care with babies and remember what it was like to be one.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Satan comes as an angel of light. God spoke of prophets who said God said this and that and God said if it was not true it would not come to pass and woe to that prophet. You are to test the spirits. That is Gods advice in his word. How do we test the spirits? we hold them against the light of the word.

Interestingly, this really, really ties into what Peter is discussing.
Satan is awful, and he can hit us with an idea that we are doing something really bad and it issometimes difficult to know if this accusing is a valid conviction or is Him doing a muttering in our ear because it sounds at first like our own thought. We read something in the word and we get really mad at him and how he got away with it for a time, but now we're onto his game so next time we can say, huh uh, no sir, you're not getting away with it because GOD said such and such and you're just up to the same tricks you've been up to from the beginning with Eve so you can go pack sand buddy.

 

[shebamo]

I agree with you on this......but that depends on the area that the Holy Spirit is talking to us about. You will not find in scriptures go move to Detroit and don't bring a gun when you go.

Good one

 

[shebamo]

Grace 777x70: Let me give you an example--Back in 1996 I had a very good friend who loved the Lord soooo much and one Sunday evening at church she came to me all excited that the Lord spoke to her and told her to tell me that He has a good Christian man for me in the near future. What's more is that his name is Doug. I smiled and said great I can't wait. In front of her I wrote in my bible ( and I'm looking at it right now ) Doug - Sunday July 28/96/8:15 pm. That's the date and time I got this " message ". I'm still waiting Here's what my pastor said. If it is from God he will confirm the message. And the bible says the same thing. You see she was so guy crazy and had all these strong feelings and ideas and projected on to me, desiring I should have a man in my life too and well---- I'm still waiting. The closest thing I have that starts with D is my horse Dylan.

 

[shebamo]

Samuel heard the voice of God, but did not recognize it until he was instructed by Eli (1 Samuel 3:1–10). Gideon had a physical revelation from God, and he still doubted what he had heard to the point of asking for a sign, not once, but three times (Judges 6:17–22,36–40).

 

[Grace777x70]

LOL...good one...very true....if we leave things in the Lord's hands...He can bring it to pass...."unless the Lord builds the house...they labor in vain that build it.."

.it could have been worse...Doug and Dylan could have ended up being an ass ( donkey )...

Grace 777x70: Let me give you an example--Back in 1996 I had a very good friend who loved the Lord soooo much and one Sunday evening at church she came to me all excited that the Lord spoke to her and told her to tell me that He has a good Christian man for me in the near future. What's more is that his name is Doug. I smiled and said great I can't wait. In front of her I wrote in my bible ( and I'm looking at it right now ) Doug - Sunday July 28/96/8:15 pm. That's the date and time I got this " message ". I'm still waiting Here's what my pastor said. If it is from God he will confirm the message. And the bible says the same thing. You see she was so guy crazy and had all these strong feelings and ideas and projected on to me, desiring I should have a man in my life too and well---- I'm still waiting. The closest thing I have that starts with D is my horse Dylan.

 

[shebamo]

LOL...good one...very true....if we leave things in the Lord's hands...He can bring it to pass...."unless the Lord builds the house...they labor in vain that build it.."

.it could have been worse...Doug and Dylan could have ended up being an ass ( donkey )...

HAHAHAHA YOU KILL ME THAT IS SO FUNNY!

 

[Grace777x70]

...I was just "horsing around" with you....

HAHAHAHA YOU KILL ME THAT IS SO FUNNY!

 

[shebamo]

only in Canada eh?

 

[shebamo]

LOL...good one...very true....if we leave things in the Lord's hands...He can bring it to pass...."unless the Lord builds the house...they labor in vain that build it.." True words Thanks

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Grace 777x70: Let me give you an example--Back in 1996 I had a very good friend who loved the Lord soooo much and one Sunday evening at church she came to me all excited that the Lord spoke to her and told her to tell me that He has a good Christian man for me in the near future. What's more is that his name is Doug. I smiled and said great I can't wait. In front of her I wrote in my bible ( and I'm looking at it right now ) Doug - Sunday July 28/96/8:15 pm. That's the date and time I got this " message ". I'm still waiting Here's what my pastor said. If it is from God he will confirm the message. And the bible says the same thing. You see she was so guy crazy and had all these strong feelings and ideas and projected on to me, desiring I should have a man in my life too and well---- I'm still waiting. The closest thing I have that starts with D is my horse Dylan.

I have had things like this too. When I don't sense the Holy Spirit confirming it in me,(and as I shared, this is distinct for me, even with a physical sensation of waves of Him washing over me confirming someone is speaking the truth), then I just smile and say thank you and ignore it. He will be faithful to correct them in their misguided exuberance. But there is that occasional time when I read or hear something from someone and distinctly sense Him and then I know they are telling the truth and are sharing with me something He truly did give them, so I hide the message in my heart and wait.

 

[Grace777x70]

Amen...just like Mary did...she pondered these things in her heart...she didn't go and try to "fulfill" the word of God sent to her about having a son......there is a big difference here..

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Samuel heard the voice of God, but did not recognize it until he was instructed by Eli (1 Samuel 3:1–10). Gideon had a physical revelation from God, and he still doubted what he had heard to the point of asking for a sign, not once, but three times (Judges 6:17–22,36–40).

Yes! I have wondered about Samuel! If maybe he heard God the same way I do and heard\sensed\felt it all the time when eli spoke to him about God or taught him Gods word, so when he heard it when he wasn't around eli, he just assumed it was eli calling for him!

I met someone who received the Holy Spirit the very moment they were baptized in water. This caused them to think that no one ever received them until that very moment, hence, if you weren't yet baptized by a man, there was no way you could be Baptized with the Holy Spirit. I don't know why we seem to think our experience has to match theirs EXACTLY, or we aren't saved and haven't met God...

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I've talked to some people who say they've never heard God in this same way as me but that, oddly, they knew what I was talking about. But they say they hear Him in a different way and that how they know to go in a direction or to stop is through an amazing sense and feeling of great and unexplainable peace, or else complete lack of that peace.

 

[crossnote]

I couldn't sleep.
It is impossible to me that God would allow this witness of the Holy Spirit to my Spirit, and what I have come to know and understand is His voice, be sometimes not Him. If you don't experience His voice this way and this is not how you experience the witness of His Spirit to yours, that's okay, but I don't think it's good to try to convince someone that His voice might not always be His voice. He said My sheep know My voice, and I do. But maybe someone younger, who hears Him this way might be harmed by telling them His voice might not always be His voice. As people like to say, He is not a God of confusion.

I once found a verse where a man said, a Spirit passed by my face and the flesh of my arms stood up. And I thought, wow! I am not the only one!

Of course 'His' voice is His voice. The problem is there are other voices as well and we need to test all voices against Scripture.

 

[shebamo]

I have had things like this too. When I don't sense the Holy Spirit confirming it in me,(and as I shared, this is distinct for me, even with a physical sensation of waves of Him washing over me confirming someone is speaking the truth), then I just smile and say thank you and ignore it. He will be faithful to correct them in their misguided exuberance. But there is that occasional time when I read or hear something from someone and distinctly sense Him and then I know they are telling the truth and are sharing with me something He truly did give them, so I hide the message in my heart and wait.

Exactly likewise here And when that happens to me God brings it to pass. Sometimes more than one person will come with the exact same message around the same time. And when that happens it always has come about as they say.

 

[crossnote]

A voice of one calling in the wilderness, ‘Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him.'
Matt 3:3

Listening and taking responsibility. I am struck by the idea of a voice speaking within. There is a large step between saying that voice is saying something of value, and that voice should be followed.

Some christians think God has a plan for my life, like a multiple choice exam, fill it in right and bingo you get the prize.
The Lord is building a people with resilience, love, patience, kindness, self control.

So I see it the Lord gives counsel, encourages us, we debate and discuss and move forward when we agree the right step.
Imagine if God appeared and spoke to you about everything in your life, top to bottom. Who is taking responsibility for it, and if at any point you felt bad, you would feel condemned and empty. If it happened once, how could you do anything without knowing the Lords instruction and it having to happen again.

If you have ever been in a kitchen teaching someone to cook, and the teacher always comes in and shows you the "right" way, you never learn or take ownership. Jesus called us friends.

I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his master’s business. Instead, I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you.
John 15:15

So I do not understand how people find this friendship so hard, or love so difficult.

My experience of the Holy Spirit is if He convicts me of something, something I need to do, He is open to a debate. The Spirit is also easily grieved. Now some have said x grieves the spirit, but unfortunately heresy is not grieving the Spirit, it is just not part of Him. What grieving the spirit is in my experience easy to do with doubting His intentions, and not just humbly waiting.

My conscience is my life. It tells me how I am and whether things are on the level. When the child appeared on the beach in Greece, that touches your heart, and your conscience asks the question, "What can I do?"

Jesus was talking about the pharisees being dead inside, they had lost their heart. The Holy Spirit is all about heart.

After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper.
1 Kings 19:12

Heresy is not grieving the Spirit? Now that is a bit strange...

I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel—not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
(Gal 1:6-9)

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
(Gal 5:4)

 

[crossnote]

I find it interesting no-one has said your conscience is satan condemning you.

I doubt any christian has satan saying stuff in their heads. I am sure our subconscious is quite capable of putting up counter arguments to anything we are thinking without any prompting. And to be honest, those thoughts often have a valid place.

Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming.
Eph 4:14

What came as a shock to me, is that I cannot trust myself. My whole body is set up to keep me happy and stable at whatever cost. Unfortunately that is often in contradiction to the Lords leading. That is a hard step, to learn you are betrayed by yourself. As far as I have learnt this is why it takes time, balancing things out, working it through.

Take a page out of Gods book. To save us he need to have all the experiences in 1,000's of peoples lives, put it in a book and we still get it wrong. Look at the prophets. Some good and faithful, but screw up one important step, dead.

So the stakes are high, and the words and miss-guidance many, but Jesus and the Holy Spirit will steer you through.

But to deny your conscience is spiritual suicide. Because of peoples silence, I am sure many of you are not sure.

A psychopath has no conscience, it is clean and clinical and deadly. That is where you end up if you go down this road.

Hopefully not. The Christian is not indwelt by satan. We are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and He is not in us as a spectator to our conscience but is very active at comforting, leading, rebuking etc. according to His Word.

 

[psalm6819]

I would not trust my conscience, they are notoriously elastic. When in doubt about whether one is hearing the Holy Spirit, one's own conscience, the flesh or the devil go to the Word. The Bible is truth, not our feelings, not what Pastor Huff Puff says, not what Sister Lovebubbles is gushing about, not what Brother Bigmouth is expounding about, but what your very own Bible says.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Of course 'His' voice is His voice. The problem is there are other voices as well and we need to test all voices against Scripture.

It's okay if you don't understand what we're talking about. You've read all the posts in here from the beginning. We've addressed that. It's okay crossnote. None of us have full knowledge of anything. Still learning!!