Homosexual "christians"

[phil112]

I doesn't believe that it is their choice to have the desires for the same sex, but an imbalance. Some babies are born with a male and a female genitals, but it isn't their choice to have both. God had made man to have a penis as He has made woman to have a vagina, but it is a choice for someone to cut them off. So it is of the devil himself that had distorted God creations by plaguing them with diseases like blindness, cripple, and so on...

Then you are being foolish. Do you really think that God would put a desire in a man, design it into thru dna, I assume is what you are saying, that is an abomination to Him. Give us something that we could not control? That's insane. You are making Him out to some kind of cruel monster. Do something to us beyond our control and then punish us for it? Insane!

 

[ThomistColin]

Then you are being foolish. Do you really think that God would put a desire in a man, design it into thru dna, I assume is what you are saying, that is an abomination to Him. Give us something that we could not control? That's insane. You are making Him out to some kind of cruel monster. Do something to us beyond our control and then punish us for it? Insane!

Honestly, I believe homosexuality is "natural" to the Fallen world. God did not design for us to have down syndrome, autism, schizophrenia, and the like. I believe it is a personality disorder that is irreversible outside of divine intervention, just like autism. There is too much evidence linking homosexuality to hormones released during stressful periods of pregnancy, birth order, relatives who themselves are homosexual, and more. It seems to be a biological and chemical perfect storm that creates this abomination. This is part of what the Fallen world truly is, where abominations are natural to it, because existence is in rebellion because the ones created to dominate and rule existence have rebelled.

Homosexuality is not a choice. I never made it. I never decided to like men and not women. I was never molested as a child, and had a strong father figure. I'm not effeminate in body shape or mannerisms. I was simply born fallen, with fallen flesh, and a fallen mind ensnared and enslaved to sin. As we must battle sin and the old self, its still there in this world. That's why I say it cannot be removed outside of divine intervention. However, God does not often heal sicknesses. His miracles happen for greater reasons than simply healing. The reason I see is that God does not enjoy seeing us suffer, but He knows suffering is a powerful tool for piety and holiness. So, I believe most must simply rely on God, whether the miracle comes or not, He will give us the strength to live and continue to carry our crosses.

 

[4enlightment]

Then you are being foolish. Do you really think that God would put a desire in a man, design it into thru dna, I assume is what you are saying, that is an abomination to Him. Give us something that we could not control? That's insane. You are making Him out to some kind of cruel monster. Do something to us beyond our control and then punish us for it? Insane!

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What makes a woman to has desires for the opposite sex? And how can we become eunuchs, the ones that didn't cut off their genitals, but are able not to have desires to have sex like the angels. From the time when Adam and eve ate from the tree, they started to noticed what kind of desires that they can get from each other, but before they didn't have had these desires as its says and which God didn't wanted them not to eat of this tree because that they will start having these desires or start lusting after each other. And so as it says what the devil had meant for bad, God is going to make it good.
Do you know that a certain Jewish sect believed that coveting after a woman is breaking a commandment? When a couple wanted to have a child, they cover their wife with a sheet that has a hole that is big enough for the penis to fit through it, but they are not to look at the women bodies at all while having sex; and not even holding or cresting each other, and which that was forbidden. A woman must remain covered from head to toe, all they days of her life. Did you ever wonder why Jacob didn't know that he was having sex with Leah, instead of her sister Rachel? God knows that our behavior it is due to sin, and He isn't going to judge us for the acts we does that were brought in by the devil, but He will judge us by what we had brought to the table like how He had judged Cain and Abel's offering.

Genesis 2:25 Adam and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.

Genesis 3:7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.

Genesis 3:11 And he said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?”

Matthew 22:30 At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Genesis 50:20 You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.

 

[IrishAussie]

oxymoron...

 

[royalscot]

It distresses me to see folks that don't understand judging. The judgement we are not to make is one's eternal destiny. That judgement is for Christ, and Christ alone. If we don't judge we will never be able to tell if someone is right or wrong. Of course we are to judge. How else can we offer support, correction, and aid to a brother that has slipped or fallen, unless we first ascertain they have failed?

1 Corinthians 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

he was talking about a man having sex with his motherlaw. in cor 5

 

[phil112]

he was talking about a man having sex with his motherlaw. in cor 5

So that means it isn't judging? What exactly is your point? That we are only to judge people having sex with their inlaws? Did you think this thru before you posted?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

How many Christians condeming homosexual Christians to hell are still enjoing sinful lifestyles themselves? Some sin is a life time struggle to overcome, serious addictions are difficult to break, it is bad enough to break these without having the law and society saying there is nothing wrong with the sin and what is being done is natural and that people are just born like that.

Our job is to bring people to know Christ, then it is up to that person how they continue. It will be the Holy Spirit to show the beleiver their ways are wrong and to transform them, as I said before some peoples sin takes a life time to overcome and is a constant battle in thier walk with Christ, therefore how is it any different from a homosexual who knows Jesus as thier saviour and is commited to following Jesus battling to come to terms with homosexuality, especially if they have had a partner for many years.

Homosexuals are not sub-humans so quit talking about them and treating them as if they were.

I don't remember anyone concluding that here. But bringing folks to Christ is just part of the job. Discipling them is a big part, teaching them. It is not at all left up to the Holy Spirit to do our job past getting them to the cross. That's what pastors, teachers, and others are supposed to be about. Spiritual gifts were given to the CHurch, not left in the hands of ignorant new believers needing milk of the word, then heavier fare as possible.

As for that sin, few sins are singled out as particularly obnoxious to God. The sin of homosexuality was ordered of God to require participant's blood. Leviticus 18:22 (KJV) [SUP]22 [/SUP] Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
[HR][/HR] Leviticus 20:13 (KJV) [SUP]13 [/SUP] If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

it is highly illogical to reject that while keeping prohibitions against murder, also condemned in the Law. If one sin is escused now, all are. We are them wrong to condemn any murderer as far as God is concerned. It could come down to individual societies accepting murder as OK, but that would result is chaos when they mingle with other societies.


The Law is not a substance of a Christian salvation, but it still defines sin in the eyes of God. It is unthinkable that any person can sleep over declaring the grace of God now excuses such sins. To consciously persist in such sins it is impossible to bring a smile from God. Doing such things is a sign of being mastered by Satan, not led of the Holy Spirit. Ours deliberate sins make Satan smile, no doubt.

Look at it this way. Two men arrive in heaven. They were lovers on earth, getting past the gate detection. They decide to lay together in front of St. Peter. What do you suppose would happen next? Will God say "Peter, let em be, grace excused them down there. We'll have to put up with that for eternity."? I doubt it.

If that outcome is instead negative, then how could such behavior be OK with God here, on the grounds of grace? It can't go both ways, directly contradicting God's word to man.

Lucifer had but a moment of self-glory thinking he could do whatever, in a sense run for the office of God, occupy that throne. The very thought, and that of a third of the angels agreeing he should go for it, got all of them kicked out like a lightening strike according to Jesus. There will be no welcome committee in Heaven for practicing sinners accusing "grace" as their enabler! Overcomers will be welcomed with fanfare!

It remains for all of us to SUBMIT TO GOD, RESIST THE DEVIL, and he will flee from you. What is that? We grow to gain the knowledge, the understanding, and the wisdom of God yearned for in Proverbs 9:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Our task is to master such instruction from God, not to keep letting Satan tell us what is OK like happened to Eve in the garden. The knowledge and understanding allows us to submit well to God. Wisdom is used to answer the Devil in resisting his deceptions.

 

[royalscot]

So that means it isn't judging? What exactly is your point? That we are only to judge people having sex with their inlaws? Did you think this thru before you posted?

when did i say jugde anyone, and who appointed you judge. to judge anyone.
paul said throw him out of church, not out of heaven,
2 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.4
act 10
this is 2014. not corth 5.



Homosexual "christians"

Originally Posted by royalscot

he was talking about a man having sex with his motherlaw. in cor 5 when did this have reference to Homosexual "christians".


paul was martered about 68ad or there about.
70 ad etc

 

[Word_Swordsman]

There will be no gay "Rainbow" parades in Heaven. It won't matter what someone declared a person to be down here, labelled Christian or whatever. All with such on their minds will be cast into the lake burning with fire without delay. Keeping the law for salvation won't work. Submitting to God and resisting the Devil will be the works God is looking for.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Sin affronts before God are so easy to identify, even the least educated can determine. 1 Corinthians 6:1-8 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

If we Christians would just judge in-house, the social issues would be settled quickly.

 

[royalscot]

There will be no gay "Rainbow" parades in Heaven. It won't matter what someone declared a person to be down here, labelled Christian or whatever. All with such on their minds will be cast into the lake burning with fire without delay. Keeping the law for salvation won't work. Submitting to God and resisting the Devil will be the works God is looking for.

grace a gift. when did that depend on my judgement.
there is no judgement either. who will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
God's Everlasting Love
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died---more than that, who was raised---who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?36 As it is written,
"For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered."
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[BelovedI]

It is an oxymoron to say one is a Christian and to say one is an abomination to God. Nuff said?

 

[royalscot]

Sin affronts before God are so easy to identify, even the least educated can determine. 1 Corinthians 6:1-8 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
[SUP]4 [/SUP] If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

If we Christians would just judge in-house, the social issues would be settled quickly.

2 And he commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one appointed by God to be judge of the living and the dead.4
act 10


when did it say we judge this.
21 The eye cannot say to the hand, "I have no need of you," nor again the head to the feet, "I have no need of you."22 On the contrary, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable,23 and on those parts of the body that we think less honorable we bestow the greater honor, and our unpresentable parts are treated with greater modesty,24 which our more presentable parts do not require. But God has so composed the body, giving greater honor to the part that lacked it,25 that there may be no division in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.26 If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.
1 Corinthians 12


make a cup a tea, if you want, go for a walk, if you want, drive your car if you want. when did it say stop people going to jesus.

Come to Me, and I Will Give You Rest
25 At that time Jesus declared, "I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children;26 yes, Father, for such was your gracious will.27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.28 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."Matthew 11


how did you enter the gate. he who is with out sin cast the first stone

 

[royalscot]

It is an oxymoron to say one is a Christian and to say one is an abomination to God. Nuff said?

how did you enter the gate. he who is with out sin cast the first stone

Judging Others
37 "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;38 give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you."
Luke 6


nuff said

 

[Kerry]

Christian homosexual is a misnomer. They do not exist. Homosexuality is demonic, spawned from the pit of hell and God will have no part of it. It is an abomination in his sight and against nature. God commanded us to be fruitful and multiply a homosexual cannot do that.

With the same token if you are homo, God loves you and wants to help you and set you free from this demonic passion. He has done it for others and He will do it for you if you will place your faith in the work of the cross.

 

[royalscot]

Christian homosexual is a misnomer. They do not exist. Homosexuality is demonic, spawned from the pit of hell and God will have no part of it. It is an abomination in his sight and against nature. God commanded us to be fruitful and multiply a homosexual cannot do that.

With the same token if you are homo, God loves you and wants to help you and set you free from this demonic passion. He has done it for others and He will do it for you if you will place your faith in the work of the cross.

i am not gay.
strange you never seen that .
i am talking about all sins, all wrongs. did you miss something (before 70 ad)
Judging Others
37 "Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;38 give, and it will be given to you. Good measure, pressed down, shaken together, running over, will be put into your lap. For with the measure you use it will be measured back to you."
Luke 6
when you work that out,condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven

 

[Kerry]

No I didn't miss anything have you read Ezekiel that we are to be watchmen and expose false doctrine or we will be held accountable? We don't condemn the man, but the doctrine he teaches. We don't know the heart, but we know what proceeds from his mouth. For out of the mouth the heart speaks. Any preacher that preaches that homosexuality is okay by God is a false teacher.

 

[Flamingspirit]

Christian homosexual is a misnomer. They do not exist. Homosexuality is demonic, spawned from the pit of hell and God will have no part of it. It is an abomination in his sight and against nature. God commanded us to be fruitful and multiply a homosexual cannot do that.

With the same token if you are homo, God loves you and wants to help you and set you free from this demonic passion. He has done it for others and He will do it for you if you will place your faith in the work of the cross.

Is there a such thing as a "lying" Christian or a "thieving" Christian? These things must stop! To be guilty of one is to be guilty of all. That means that if you are guilty of even lying AND judging by this, then you might as well have been a homosexual to God.

 

[Kerry]

Is there a such thing as a "lying" Christian or a "thieving" Christian? These things must stop! To be guilty of one is to be guilty of all. That means that if you are guilty of even lying AND judging by this, then you might as well have been a homosexual to God.

No, sexual sin is a pet peeve with God, for instance the Amorites were in sin and the Havites were in sin, the Egyptians were in sin, the Jebusites were in sin, the Amalekites were in sin, the Edomites were in sin. But God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. why?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

grace a gift. when did that depend on my judgement.
there is no judgement either. who will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
God's Everlasting Love
31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things?33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died---more than that, who was raised---who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?36 As it is written,
"For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered."
37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us.38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Notice that list of WHO can separate from the love of God doesn't include US. You alone can separate. If you choose to serve sin then you are a child of darkness by choice. Like Adam each of us has power of choice. Christ in us makes the right choices possible, so we are accountable for our choices. We each will be judged even for every idle word. Who your master is must be who you serve. Adam and Eve listened to Satan more than God, choosing to separate from such a wonderful relationship with God. Adam had one prohibition, not to eat of that tree. The rest of creation was his. That principle by far predates the Law, but the calamity was closed with the promise of Christ. Today many confused people are making the same error, willingly deceived by Satan. They refuse to submit to God, willing only to grab free grace then use that to justify a sin lifestyle. Of course they then lack ability to refuse the trickery of the Devil, and are overwhelmed. No victory, no attempt to overcome evil. There are two judgments. The true children of God will not face the wrath of God, but will appear at the judgment seat of Christ. That throne is of holiness and can't possibly admit unholy sin. Anyone living in blatant sin up to that point will not receive a passing grade. They will be reserved for the great white throne of God, and eternal damnation. The main measure of whether born again or not is whether freed from the grip of Satan and sin. If nothing has changed, then there is no reason for hope.

Grace is not the same as faith. We are saved by grace through faith. The idea of grace is like this: someone puts an ad in the paper saying "come by our store to pick up your free theater ticket." That is grace on the part of the store. Faith is believing that was truth, going to the store, taking the ticket, then presenting it at the theater. Most will not believe the offer is real, so won't go to the store. Some will try going to the theater without going to the store to get the ticket, saying admission ought to be free with or without the ticket since the ticket is claimed to be free. No, the benefit lies in the procedure outlined by the store, not some other way.