Honest about hell

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trofimus

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Ahwatukee said:
Which would get rid of the whole idea of the meaning of salvation. It is important for a person to understand that without Christ, and to put it bluntly, they will not pass go and will not collect $200, but are on their way to condemning judgment! No ifs, and's or buts. That is the status of everyone who comes into the world and the consequences of leaving it without Christ.

If one presents Christ as though they were joining a social club and the person says, "sorry not interested." Do you say, "ok then, have a good life. No harm, no foul. And as that person walks off, they remain in the same condemned state. As those in Christ, it is our responsibility to tell explain to the unbeliever what their current status is and where it leads, as well as the promise of the forgiveness of sins and the promise of eternal life that comes through faith in the shed blood of Christ.

We love God because He provided salvation for us through the shed blood of His Son. And we also fear God because he has the power over how we will spend our eternity. Remember, no man can come to the Son except the Father draws him.
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If by "salvation" you only mean "I do not want to burn for eternity", then yes.

I see salvation as a much much wider meaning, to live in light, purity, to be with loving Creator, to fulfill my purpose He created me for etc etc. The burning hell is a very small motivation besides these ones, for me.

I want to be with God, because I love him. Not because I do not want to burn. I am afraid I would love Him even in hell. And that is my hope He will not leave me there :)
 
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trofimus said:
If by "salvation" you only mean "I do not want to burn for eternity", then yes.

I see salvation as a much much wider meaning, to live in light, purity, to be with loving Creator, to fulfill my purpose He created me for etc etc. The burning hell is a very small motivation besides these ones, for me.

I want to be with God, because I love him. Not because I do not want to burn. I am afraid I would love Him even in hell. And that is my hope He will not leave me there :)
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You are right, but you cant tell me that you had this view before you became a Christian
 
trofimus

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wolfwint said:
You are right, but you cant tell me that you had this view before you became a Christian
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It was when I was 14 or so... so I do not recall it clearly, but the hell surely was not my motivation, I think.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Oh lets see....human history, discipline as a kid, jail for criminals, death penalties for killers, and the word of God......

Now another question....Did you read my first line......Hell is not even mentioned in John....so.....

Why is it so hard for you to understand that when a child gets out of line and then gets disciplined it yields the peaceable fruits of righteousness.....
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I'm talking about how our decision making can be effected by such concepts as hell. You are talking about something else, but those points you raised above are diffrent in their consequences.
 
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wolfwint said:
Its makes no sense to tell somebody you must be saved. If He dont know/understand from what he should be saved.
So the hell is the consequence of our sinful life. Why somebody should turn to God, if he feels he has a good life without him? He must understand where his life ends without God and Jesus!
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Why does it have to be pain? Why not anything else to punish you.
 
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Chris1975 said:
You are starting from the wrong foundation.

Subconsciously you are starting from the foundation that we are all essentially good people, and have to remain good to avoid going to hell. And if we sin then God sends us to hell. And that's why we need a saviour to pay the penalty. Many Christians still will think in this way.

The truth of the matter is this. When you are born, you are born into corruption already through the fallen nature of Adam. Nobody deserves to go to heaven. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Then God, because He loves you, came to Earth, born of a virgin (not into the corruption of Adam), and went to the cross without sin. He paid the price of a sinner, yet was totally innocent. He loved you so much that He paid the penalty so that you would not have to.

Hell exists (and has to exist) because God is a righteous judge. Every transgression will be settled in the great accounting of mankind. God is perfect. He is also fair. Nobody ends up in hell who doesn't deserve to be there. But God made a way though His Son, that if you are willing to receive Him, believe Him, call upon His Name, repent of your sins and follow Him - then you have a narrow gate through which you can avoid this place called Hell.

Unfortunately people think the gate is wide. It's not. It's narrow. There is only one door. And He is Jesus Christ.

Do not be arrogant to think there are many doors, many ways --- for this is how the world thinks.
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This! :)
 
MrMoo

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Chris1975 said:
You are starting from the wrong foundation.

Subconsciously you are starting from the foundation that we are all essentially good people, and have to remain good to avoid going to hell. And if we sin then God sends us to hell. And that's why we need a saviour to pay the penalty. Many Christians still will think in this way.

The truth of the matter is this. When, you are born into corruption already through the fallen nature of Adam. Nobody deserves to go to heaven. For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Then God, because He loves you, came to Earth, born of a virgin (not into the corruption of Adam), and went to the cross without sin. He paid the price of a sinner, yet was totally innocent. He loved you so much that He paid the penalty so that you would not have to.

Hell exists (and has to exist) because God is a righteous judge. Every transgression will be settled in the great accounting of mankind. God is perfect. He is also fair. Nobody ends up in hell who doesn't deserve to be there. But God made a way though His Son, that if you are willing to receive Him, believe Him, call upon His Name, repent of your sins and follow Him - then you have a narrow gate through which you can avoid this place called Hell.

Unfortunately people think the gate is wide. It's not. It's narrow. There is only one door. And He is Jesus Christ.

Do not be arrogant to think there are many doors, many ways --- for this is how the world thinks.
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One door to rule them all.
 
trofimus

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MrMoo said:
Why does it have to be pain? Why not anything else to punish you.
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It will not be earthly, physical fire and the bodies of people there will also not be material.

So I do not expect the pain to be of the same kind as we experience it in the bodies we have right now.
 
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MrMoo said:
Why does it have to be pain? Why not anything else to punish you.
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what would you rather it be?, Hell was originally created for satan and his angels they to will feel its punishment
 
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MrMoo said:
Why does it have to be pain? Why not anything else to punish you.
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You are putting way too much emphasis on punishment. God is just (fair) and must give you due 'reward' for YOUR actions.
Heaven = to be with the Lord forever. Hell = separation from God. Our Heavenly Father doesn't want you to go to hell but he won't force you into heaven. The 'pain' of Hell is separation from your creator.

Putting it another VERY SIMPLY way. Lets say you are struggling financially and a friendly stranger gives you a winning lottery ticket (I'm not promoting gambling :p ) and tells you: "Trust me, its a winner". But you decide its probably not true, reject the offer and throw the ticket away. A few days later you read in the local paper: "Winning Lottery Ticket Remains Unclaimed". You recognise the number and go to the Lottery commission office to make a claim. "Sorry, but we have no record of YOU paying for a ticket" There is no record of you and no evidence you were ever offered a ticket. Do you blame the person who offered you the ticket? Do you blame the 'official' who cannot find your name on the list? Who is at fault?

Like I said. Simple illustration! :rolleyes:

Jesus has offered you (and everyone else) a free gift called "Salvation". If you reject that gift and your name is not found in the Book of Life, you cannot blame God for rejecting you.
 
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trofimus said:
It will not be earthly, physical fire and the bodies of people there will also not be material.

So I do not expect the pain to be of the same kind as we experience it in the bodies we have right now.
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what would you rather it be?, Hell was originally created for satan and his angels they to will feel its punishment
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Everyone gets a shinny new body though?
 
trofimus

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MrMoo said:
Everyone gets a shinny new body though?
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We have no idea what the new Universe will look like and what will be its laws.

So I do not know how to find out what the hell will be like or heaven or whatever.
 
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MrMoo said:
Everyone gets a shinny new body though?
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"So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. " - 1 Cor.15:42-43
 
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trofimus said:
We have no idea what the new Universe will look like and what will be its laws.

So I do not know how to find out what the hell will be like or heaven or whatever.
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Good morning Trofimus,

Here is a literal description of the punishment in the lake of fire:

"And a third angel followed them and spoke with a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he will also drink the wine of God’s wrath, which is mixed full strength in the cup of His anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the sight of the holy angels and in the sight of the Lamb, and the smoke of their torment will go up forever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or anyone who receives the mark of his name. - Rev.14:9-11
 
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Ahwatukee said:
"So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. " - 1 Cor.15:42-43
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I'm never going to sleep tonight.
 
Ahwatukee

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MrMoo said:
Even the people in hell?
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Those who die without Christ will be resurrected out of sheol/Hades will also receive bodies that will not be able to be burned up, but will endure the punishment of eternal fire.

"Then I saw a great white throne and the One who sat on it. The earth and the heavens fled from His presence, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne. And there were open books, and one of them was the book of life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire.And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." - Rev.20:11-15

The scripture above is the judgment of the unrighteous dead throughout all history known as the great white throne judgment, which will take place after the thousand year reign of Christ. Anyone who dies without Christ will be condemned at this judgement.

But the good news is that through faith in Christ we have the promise of forgiveness for sins and eternal life, but you have to believe in Him in order to receive His gift of eternal life.


 
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