How can Satan be bound for a thousand yrs.?

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I can see this in verse 8, but i was inquiring about verse 9?

So were now up to the 2nd, 2nd coming? as you told me that the 2nd coming was in Chapter 16/19-21 :confused:

I find this confusing, even when i read it in context with the ajoining verses; could you explain a little more indepth, if you don't mind? Just its my soul at stake here, and i do care a little bit about that. Thank-You :)

Forever in Christ :)


Revelation 20:1-6 (KJV)
is the first advent to the second.

Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV) ... Revelation 16:1-17 (KJV) is the tribulation.

Revelation 16:18-21 (KJV) is the 2nd glorious coming of the Lord.

Revelation 21:1-27 (KJV) is after the 2nd glorious coming of the Lord.
 
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Study Revelations for yourself.
I have, and continue to do so.

Because you can't see that the 1000 years are figurative.
Because they aren't.

Millennial is nowhere in the bible.
That is correct. The coming kingdom will last 1000 years. Man started calling it the millennial kingdom. The fact remains it will be a literal 1000 perioid of time with Christ reigning on earth.

You have received your teachings from man the first time you heard it but refuse to learn what it actually means.
Thanks for your opinion. I do not believe you understand it. Especially when you say:
Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV) ... Revelation 16:1-17 (KJV) is the tribulation.
They are two separate events. And Rev 16:1-17 is what will happen at the END of the trib.
 
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They are two separate events. And Rev 16:1-17 is what will happen at the END of the trib.
Revelation 20:1-6 (KJV) ... is the first advent to the second.

Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV) ... is the tribulation.

Revelation 16:1-17 (KJV) ...is the end of tribulation.

Revelation 16:18-21 (KJV) ... is the 2nd glorious coming of the Lord.

Revelation 21:1-27 (KJV) ... is after the 2nd glorious coming of the Lord.
 
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Revelation 20:1-6 (KJV) is the first advent to the second.

Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV) ... Revelation 16:1-17 (KJV) is the tribulation.

Revelation 16:18-21 (KJV) is the 2nd glorious coming of the Lord.

Revelation 21:1-27 (KJV) is after the 2nd glorious coming of the Lord.
Oh! i get it, you just move the verses around to suit what one beleives, rather than follow through verse by verse, to hear what The Fathers account of events are.

This is Why i left religon behind me; Thanks anyways.

Forever in Christ :)
 

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The fact remains it will be a literal 1000 perioid of time with Christ reigning on earth.
Christ does not reign on the earth a 1000 years, nowhere in scripture does it say so....another teaching from man but it's not scriptural.

We the saints reign with Christ a 1000 years (figuratively from the first advent to the second) spiritually while in the body. Ephesians 2:6 (KJV) ... Revelations 1:6 (KJV)
 

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... the first advent to the second. Revelation 20:1-6 (KJV)

... the tribulation. Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV)

... the end of tribulation. Revelation 16:1-17 (KJV)

... the 2nd coming of the Lord. Revelation 16:18-21 (KJV)

... the great white throne judgement. Revelation 20:10-15 (KJV)

... the new heaven and new earth. Revelation 21:1-27 (KJV)
 

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We are IN CHRIST spiritually ALREADY (first resurrection) but at the second resurrection upon the 2nd coming of Christ (postrib) we will be with him LITERALLY.

If you cannot see this or plainly refuse to believe this you are missing out whoever you are.
 
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Oh! i get it, you just move the verses around to suit what one beleives, rather than follow through verse by verse, to hear what The Fathers account of events are.

This is Why i left religon behind me; Thanks anyways.

Forever in Christ :)
Dont be decieved Westand. This person is Zone. No point debating. It will just get nasty.
 
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... the first advent to the second. Revelation 20:1-6 (KJV)
No, that is the start of the millennial kingdom. The resurrection mentioned there is the resurrection of the just, when OT believers and those killed during the trib are raised.

... the tribulation. Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV)
No. That happens at the end of the millennial kingdom. After Christ has reigned on earth for 1000 years, satan will be loosed to deceive the nations. He will amass a huge army against Christ and Jerusalem. God will destroy them.

... the end of tribulation. Revelation 16:1-17 (KJV)
Yes. Those events will happen at the end of the trib.

... the 2nd coming of the Lord. Revelation 16:18-21 (KJV)
No. That is a continuation of the events at the end of the trib. The second coming of Christ is Rev 19:11ff. He will return to earth as King of kings and Lord of lords to fight armageddon, then set up the millennial kingdom.

... the great white throne judgement. Revelation 20:10-15 (KJV)

... the new heaven and new earth. Revelation 21:1-27 (KJV)
Both correct.
 

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No. That is a continuation of the events at the end of the trib. The second coming of Christ is Rev 19:11ff. He will return to earth as King of kings and Lord of lords to fight armageddon, then set up the millennial kingdom.
Revelation 19:11 (KJV) happens just after Revelation 16:18-21 (KJV).

No, that is the start of the millennial kingdom. The resurrection mentioned there is the resurrection of the just, when OT believers and those killed during the trib are raised.

No. That happens at the end of the millennial kingdom. After Christ has reigned on earth for 1000 years, satan will be loosed to deceive the nations. He will amass a huge army against Christ and Jerusalem. God will destroy them.
There is no such thing as millennial. Forget that word already will ya..

You don't believe we are raised already IN CHRIST Ephesians 2:6 (KJV) and made alive IN HIM?? 1 Corinthians 15:22 (KJV)

you're seeking for a physical kingdom that's why it hasn't come to you yet.

Behold the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21 (KJV)
 

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shrooms

Revelation 19:11 (KJV)
and Revelation 16:18-21 (KJV) is the same event, read it again.

....the 2nd coming of Christ.
 
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Wow Guys,

I didn't mean to start the Apocalypes early.

It doesn't look like to many is agreeing on anything.

hummm.

I'll be back

Blessings
 
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Jude
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

If angels can be bound satan can be bound
 

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the thousand years (figuratively) has already started but only a few seems to recognize this, it is in us spiritually reigning with Christ NOW. Ephesians 2:6 (KJV) ... Revelation 1:6 (KJV)

The kingdom of God has come and behold it is within us. Luke 17:21 (KJV)

So little faith from people waiting for a earthly kingdom but they will never see it until they BELIEVE the kingdom of God is now and within us.

pft so little faith. it's a shame really...
 

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Jude
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

If angels can be bound satan can be bound
..........there is wisdom in here.



....to CC.
 
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Revelation 19:11 (KJV) happens just after Revelation 16:18-21 (KJV).

There is no such thing as millennial. Forget that word already will ya..
"millennial" has fewer letters than "thousand year", and is easier to type. They mean exactly the same thing.

You don't believe we are raised already IN CHRIST Ephesians 2:6 (KJV) and made alive IN HIM?? 1 Corinthians 15:22 (KJV)
Absolutely I believe it. We have received the gift of holy spirit, the firstfruits of what is promised to us. It's the earnest, the token, the guarantee. Spiritually, it's a done deal. We shall reign with Christ. Thank God for that! But right here, right now, I am sitting in this weak flesh body. I am 59, and getting older by the minute. I occasionally get sick, and have aches and pains. If I die before Christ returns, I will be dead until he raises me. 1 Cor 15, 1 Thes 4. Spiritually, it's complete, but the realization of what we have received as Christians will not happen until the return of Jesus Christ.

you're seeking for a physical kingdom that's why it hasn't come to you yet.
There will be a physical kingdom.

Behold the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:21 (KJV)
(ESV) nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."

Christ was referring to himself.
 
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Revelation 19:11 (KJV)
and Revelation 16:18-21 (KJV) is the same event, read it again.

....the 2nd coming of Christ.
Rev 16:
18) And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19) And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

20) And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

21) And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Where do you see Christ returning in the above verses? It's talking about thunder and lightning, a great earthquake, and 100# hailstones.


THIS is the return of Christ.
Rev 19:
11) And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

12) His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

13) And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

14) And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

15) And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

16) And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

17) And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

18) That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19) And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20) And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21) And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
 
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... the first advent to the second. Revelation 20:1-6 (KJV)

... the tribulation. Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV)

... the end of tribulation. Revelation 16:1-17 (KJV)

... the 2nd coming of the Lord. Revelation 16:18-21 (KJV)

... the great white throne judgement. Revelation 20:10-15 (KJV)

... the new heaven and new earth. Revelation 21:1-27 (KJV)
cronjecj: with all due respect of you Faith in Christ :) it is NOT a good thing for anyone to mis-lead anybody concerning what OUR Father has Written through Moses & The Prophets that was CONFIRMED through Christ & The Apostles.

This IS the Completed Word of GOD to this point.

There are NO MORE Prophets or Apostles.

All EVERYBODY has been since then are Witnesses. There are only 2 More Chosen One's in GOD"S WORD, and they are The Last 2 Great Witnesses, and they WILL give their flesh lives in standing agaist instead-of-christ, on The WORLDWIDE STAGE, TV.

Though there IS a parenthetical chapter in Revelations, 16-20 are NOT the one. Forgive me for not stating the chapter,But i would have to re-check, as i would not want to state the wrong one.

You CANNOT change these verses around at will and state it as Truth.

IF you follow The Word correctly, you would see, hear and know, that there are 2 tribulations, 2 wraths, 2 ressurections and 2 deaths.

There is 2 Advents as well, Only, One has already taken place.

So before the 2nd Advent (return) of Christ as Melchezidek,( King of the Justified Kills) WE will have ONE tribulation, which IS the tribulation of instead-of-christ.

Then comes the First wrath of GOD & the 2nd Advent which IS Christ/Melchezidek, to put an end to the 1st tribulation.

The Firstfruits will be ressurected in both immotal bodies & souls, to reign with Christ for One Day, as the Firstfruits will be back in GOD"S immortal time frame.

Those who dtd not make the First cut, will receive their spiritual bodies, as The Word states that in the twinkling of an eye, that ALL shall be changed, but this is about bodies and not souls.

Those who didn't make the cut, will not have their souls returned to Immortal time, But rather shall remain in a mortal (liable to die) time frame; that to them, it will seem like One Thousand of our current years.

After Christ's Day of Reckoning, Teaching and Preparation; Then comes the 2nd tribulation Rev: 20/7-8

Then comes Big Daddy, Rev: 20/9 and the 2nd wrath of God. the second ressurection, the second death, or the lake of fire :eek: rest assured that this WILL NOT take Our Father very long to do; i'm guessing here, but i figure nothing more than a few moments; as this will be a moment of tremendous sorrow that WE will ALL go through together :(:(

But then, the GREAT NEWS, OUR Father shall wipe away ALL the tears FOREVER. Eternity Re-Established :cool::D:)

Forever in Christ :)
 

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"millennial" has fewer letters than "thousand year", and is easier to type. They mean exactly the same thing.
Biblically speaking no they don't because the thousand is not a literal thousand but between the two advents.

Absolutely I believe it. We have received the gift of holy spirit, the firstfruits of what is promised to us. It's the earnest, the token, the guarantee. Spiritually, it's a done deal. We shall reign with Christ. Thank God for that! But right here, right now, I am sitting in this weak flesh body. I am 59, and getting older by the minute. I occasionally get sick, and have aches and pains. If I die before Christ returns, I will be dead until he raises me. 1 Cor 15, 1 Thes 4. Spiritually, it's complete, but the realization of what we have received as Christians will not happen until the return of Jesus Christ.
im 26 in a weak body too, i have had cancer and a limb salvage surgery. But my spirit is in Christ reigning now because im made alive IN HIM. 1 Corinthians 15:22 (KJV)

We will die physically but at the last day upon the 2nd coming of Christ He will resurrect us with incorruptible bodies in a twinkling of an eye. (2nd and final bodily resurrection)

first resurrection = spiritual
second resurrection = bodily

There will be a physical kingdom.
Yes AFTER new heaven and earth NOT before.

(ESV) nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you."

Christ was referring to himself.
...and guess what, His Spirit is IN YOU and that is the kingdom of God. It is IN YOU.

While we suffer in the body we rejoice in the spirit IN CHRIST. 1 Corinthians 15:22 (KJV)
 
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