How long is the tribulation?

[PlainWord]

"No, He does not..."

yes He does. Back at ya.

 

[PlainWord]

I agree that it had to have started ~70 A.D.; however, how do you explain verse 29?

I answered this already but perhaps you missed it? Here it is again.

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days" DOES NOT refer to this:

[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be....

The above referenced "great tribulation" of V21 dealt with 66-70 AD. The tribulation Christ was speaking of in V29 refers to this tribulation just one verse earlier:

[SUP]28 [/SUP]For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together."

This is the "tribulation of those days" Jesus was speaking of in V29, the one He returns immediately after.

Again, the break is between V26 and V27. In V26 Christ is telling them, don't go after those claiming to be Christ prior to 70 AD. If you follow them out of the city, you will be killed by the Romans. In V27 He is saying basically that we He comes, He will come fast as lightening.

 

[DaveWatchman]

Revelation 11:2 KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

No doubt everyone agrees that this verse a tribulation verse. During that tribulation period one of the KEY indicators of that time is Jerusalem will be tread under foot by the Gentiles for forty and two months.

I don't know if you have noticed this or not, but Jerusalem has been tread under foot of the Gentiles for the last 2000 years. I'm not looking for a fight lol, I'm looking for a logical explanation of how Jerusalem will be tread under foot for 7 years being it ALWAYS has been tread under foot since AD 70.

I skimmed through this thread really fast looking for any word that might catch my eye. My screen cuts off the left "third" of the screen so I never see the avatars when I do that. I saw the words: "conjunction" and "abomination" that caught my eye. I think that the Gentiles began trampling on the holy city in 2015 and that's not good because I'm one of the seeds of Abraham.

I think that the thing that Jesus was talking about when He said "for then there will be "great tribulation", is only going to be the last "third" of the 42 months of Revelation 11. I think that the great tribulation is going to only be 371 days long, just EXACTLY like it was in the days of Noah. 420 subtract seven "sevens", or 49 days, to leave us with a "cut short" period of 371 days which matches some of the scholarly calculations of the time Noah spent in the ark.

Since before the tetrads began in 2014, I've been counting the days in between the sets of solar and lunar eclipses. And anything else that I can find. And I've found a couple of things. But I don't really know what's going on so I can't really say for sure. But I think something is going on. When Jesus said:

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light,
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I think that He's talking about a specific solar and lunar eclipse and I think that I know where they are.So when I count backwards from this "darkened" sun for 1290 days, I find the thing that I think is the final transgression of desolation. When I count backwards from this "darkened" sun for 777 days, I find the day that Jupiter has entered into the body of Virgo to begin the Revelation 12 sign. Then when I count backwards from the "darkened" sun for 420 days, a "third" of 1260, I find the day that Jupiter has exited the body of Virgo and is then joined in a conjunction with Venus.

As I previously read Daniel 12:11 as two events separated by 1290 days, I now read it in a different way. It now looks like both the "daily" is taken away AND the AofD is set up on the same day. 1290 days latter comes the "end of these wonders" when the sun is "darkened" and the moon will not give her light. Because Daniel 12:11 seems still to be an additional answer to the previous question asked by "someone": “How long shall it be till the End of these Wonders?” It looks like Jesus is just offering us a head start indicator that the "daily" will be taken away and the AofD set up 1290 days before the end of these wonders which is the same thing as: “Immediately after the tribulation of those days.

DS/AofD<-------1290Days------->EofW
DS/AofD<-------1290Days------->Sun/Moon

Jesus said that this would be the worst time ever, from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. Wouldn't that mean that it couldn't last any longer than the duration of the flood. Or else no flesh would be saved alive. I Googled the days of Noah and found many of the scholars claiming 371 days. I bet that they're right. Because that 420 day slot that I found marked out by the conjunction, just has to be cut short by seven weeks, seven "sevens", or 49 days and that gets us the 371 days which butts right up to the "darkened" sun. Just like in the days of Noah.

Didn't Noah know seven days before the flood came when the door was sealed shut? If any of this is right, I would imagine that we might get a heads up soon. Because:

"Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.
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[Locutus]

 

[DaveWatchman]

Good one.


"Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers:

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Nor the desire of women:

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The "woman" is the Church or God's People.

Think "Bride" of Christ.

So the desire of "women" is Jesus.

Nor regard any god:

for he shall magnify himself above all:

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

"We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled,
appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions,

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection and blessing of the common Father and Creator of man, and tender you for yourselves and your religious association, assurances of my high respect and esteem.

-Thomas Jefferson
President of the United States



Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers

 

[Ahwatukee]

Revelation 11:2 KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

No doubt everyone agrees that this verse a tribulation verse. During that tribulation period one of the KEY indicators of that time is Jerusalem will be tread under foot by the Gentiles for forty and two months.

I don't know if you have noticed this or not, but Jerusalem has been tread under foot of the Gentiles for the last 2000 years. I'm not looking for a fight lol, I'm looking for a logical explanation of how Jerusalem will be tread under foot for 7 years being it ALWAYS has been tread under foot since AD 70.

Greetings KJV1611,

Because the reference of the holy city being trampled under foot is in direct relation to when the new temple is built and when Israel will resume her offerings and sacrifices, which is what that antichrist will make possible when he establishes his seven year covenant with them. The 42 months is in reference to that last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. During the first 3 1/2 years Israel will be sacrificing and making offerings according to the law of Moses. In the middle of the seven the abomination will be set up and that antichrist will proclaim himself to be God. It is during that last 3 1/2 years when they will trample the holy city in relation to the new temple and the reinstatement of offerings and sacrifices.

 

[Enow]

Revelation 11:2 KJV
But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

No doubt everyone agrees that this verse a tribulation verse. During that tribulation period one of the KEY indicators of that time is Jerusalem will be tread under foot by the Gentiles for forty and two months.

I don't know if you have noticed this or not, but Jerusalem has been tread under foot of the Gentiles for the last 2000 years. I'm not looking for a fight lol, I'm looking for a logical explanation of how Jerusalem will be tread under foot for 7 years being it ALWAYS has been tread under foot since AD 70.

There are 2 things that are being tread underfoot to give it the proper time placement. The first one is the building of the temple wherein there is an outer court which is usually associated with the Temple grounds, but when they build the third Temple, the outer courts will be given unto the Gentiles to tread underfoot. This may mean that the Third Temple will not have the property for the outer courts as it will not be sacred grounds, but open to the public.

Also.... there is tribulation and then there is the great tribulation. The tribulation of the O.T. that has anything to do with the great tribulation is the great tribulation, however, any everyday or present day tribulation mentioned in the N.T. is referring to the times we are living in now with so many false prophets about; when we have the cares of this life serving as a snare to any believer to love this life that they would not want to leave it when the Bridegroom comes; however, any tribulation that is mentioned as never before happening because it is so severe and dire, is the great tribulation which is yet to come and will come after the pre tribulational rapture. FYI May God cause the increase...

 

[Willie-T]

There are 2 things that are being tread underfoot to give it the proper time placement. The first one is the building of the temple wherein there is an outer court which is usually associated with the Temple grounds, but when they build the third Temple, the outer courts will be given unto the Gentiles to tread underfoot. This may mean that the Third Temple will not have the property for the outer courts as it will not be sacred grounds, but open to the public.

Also.... there is tribulation and then there is the great tribulation. The tribulation of the O.T. that has anything to do with the great tribulation is the great tribulation, however, any everyday or present day tribulation mentioned in the N.T. is referring to the times we are living in now with so many false prophets about; when we have the cares of this life serving as a snare to any believer to love this life that they would not want to leave it when the Bridegroom comes; however, any tribulation that is mentioned as never before happening because it is so severe and dire, is the great tribulation which is yet to come and will come after the pre tribulational rapture. FYI May God cause the increase...

Can you show me THE Great Tribulation in the Bible? I've never seen it.

 

[maxwel]

Can you show me THE Great Tribulation in the Bible? I've never seen it.

So how long is the Great Tribulation?


It's just long enough to convince Willie.

 

[Locutus]

Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


Mat 24:22 KJV) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.



I would have enjoyed those shortened work days....

 

[samuel23]

The truth of the tribulation mentioned in Matt 24 and Mark 13 is that it is written in a strange form because there is evidence that Jesus was speaking of the tribulation that happened to the Jews around 70ad, that was covered when Jesus said that this generation shall not pass until all be. Certain aspect of what Jesus described happened in that generation. However there seems to be a shadow of the final tribulation just before Christ return that will happen at the end of the age, that seems to include some of the things that happened in 70ad but will be world wide. There are two phases of the tribulation, one happened in 70ad and happened in THAT GENERATION, the other phrase of the tribulation is that which will happen at the end of this age. History proves this to be true if Jesus returns at the end of the age just before the end time tribulation.

 

[GaryA]

There were wars, famines, pestilences and earthquakes in various places before 66-70 AD.

I am not going to say that none of these things ever occurred before ~70 A.D.; however, ...

Josephus confirms the historical context:

It does not matter what Josephus said; the Bible says:


Matthew 24:

[SUP]7[/SUP] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. [SUP]8[/SUP] All these are the beginning of sorrows.


Mark 13:

[SUP]8[/SUP] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles: these are the beginnings of sorrows.


Luke 21:

[SUP]10[/SUP] Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: [SUP]11[/SUP] And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.


I believe that all of these verses "go together" in the 'flow' of what Jesus is saying in the Olivet Discourse -- each being a description of the same thing(s) -- only, from three different writers.

Then, there is this verse:


Luke 21:

[SUP]12[/SUP] But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.


The phrase 'But before all these' indicates that the decription that follows actually occurs before the things described in the verses just previous to it.

Even if you want to tell me that something similar to [ what is highlighted in the teal color above ] happened ~70 A.D. -- it does not matter.

Even if the things mentioned in Matthew 24:7-8 happened before ~70 A.D. -- in the context of these verses - the time frame of the things these verses are describing is one that is after the things described in Matthew 24:9-13.

The 'grammar of the language' indicates this very clearly.

 

[GaryA]

THE GREAT TRIBULATION of MAT 24:21 is OVER!!! IT happened in 70 AD.

But, another "tribulation" is coming and comes just before Christ returns.

It is the same 'tribulation'.

It started ~70 A.D.

It will end at some future point in time.

The Bible says absolutely nothing about the length of time of this tribulation period. It only says that it will be "cut short" --- it does not say that it will be short...

 

[GaryA]

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days" DOES NOT refer to this:

[SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be....

Yes it does...

 

[willybob]

The tribulation has been going for the past 2000 years. John said He was the companion of the saints in tribulation in his day Rev 1-9, which had already begun Rev 1-4....Try telling the Waldensians, who suffered great tribulation, at the hands of the Papacy in past centuries about some sort of coming tribulation in the distant future

 

[JaumeJ]

A sister who calls herself Zone in this forum informed me that there is no place in the Word that says the Tribulation, that is the greatest tribulation ever to be known, is seven years. I admint, I kind of balked, but going throught the references to that time in the Word, I could find no place stating it to be exactly seven years.........thank you , Zonie.

So my influence had been having heard first the oral tradition of men and not researching the Word on the subject well. The references to the time of the tribulation in question all tend to lend to seven years, but it is computed by referring to many Bible references that are symbolic more than specific.

Because of all of the computations, and specifically for me, weeks of years, I yet believe it will be seven years or so close to seven years that the round-off is not imporatant.

The most important for all is to be prepared for any eventuallçity for the sake of Salvation in Jesus Christ..

 

[Ahwatukee]

The tribulation has been going for the past 2000 years. John said He was the companion of the saints in tribulation in his day Rev 1-9, which had already begun Rev 1-4....Try telling the Waldensians, who suffered great tribulation, at the hands of the Papacy in past centuries about some sort of coming tribulation in the distant future

Hello willybob,

The tribulation that John was referring to was/is referring to the trials and tribulation that Jesus said all believers would experience throughout the entire church period, which comes at the hands of the world and the powers of darkness. The tribulation that is coming will be the unprecedented wrath of God which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

The tribulation of God's wrath will take place during that last seven leading up to the Lord's return to end the age and establish his thousand year reign.

Therefore, the trials and tribulation that Jesus said that believers would have began at the on-set of the church up until this present time. The tribulation of God's wrath is still future, which will decimate the majority of the earths population and decimate all human government.

Blessings in Christ!

 

[buddyt]

if your speaking of the first its 5 Months Revelation 9:5

 

[garee]

The wrath as to the tribulation of God is being revealed from heaven. It began in the garden when God corrupted this creation, shown by a body of death a body that ages leading to death, revealing His wrath .

Do we need more than that by which he reveals of His wrath daily?

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

The final tribulation as judgment comes on the last day the same day of the second and final resurrection, the wake-up call (arise) ,the seventh a final trump, the voice of Christ.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

ohn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

ohn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. .........The final wrath

1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the “trump” of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: ....... the seventh trump, the end of this corrupted world. No literal thousand year reign with Christ in the flesh

 

[dcontroversal]

A sister who calls herself Zone in this forum informed me that there is no place in the Word that says the Tribulation, that is the greatest tribulation ever to be known, is seven years. I admint, I kind of balked, but going throught the references to that time in the Word, I could find no place stating it to be exactly seven years.........thank you , Zonie.

So my influence had been having heard first the oral tradition of men and not researching the Word on the subject well. The references to the time of the tribulation in question all tend to lend to seven years, but it is computed by referring to many Bible references that are symbolic more than specific.

Because of all of the computations, and specifically for me, weeks of years, I yet believe it will be seven years or so close to seven years that the round-off is not imporatant.

The most important for all is to be prepared for any eventuallçity for the sake of Salvation in Jesus Christ..

Daniel 12....1335 days....rather obvious!