How old and big is Jesus?

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PurerInHeart

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Okay, with all this silliness, one thing we can say. Some of us have a different Jesus.
Some have Him as God Almighty and some as a 'lesser' than Almighty God.
We do not have the same God.
He can't be both.
Only the true Jesus saves...not a mimicker.[/

Jesus Himself says that the Father is greater than He is in John 14:28. But only because His Father is before He was, and He came from Him. But ALL the fullness of the Father is in the Son- so that includes His Deity (Godness).
 
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Tintin

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#22
Okay, with all this silliness, one thing we can say. Some of us have a different Jesus.
Some have Him as God Almighty and some as a 'lesser' than Almighty God.
We do not have the same God.
He can't be both.
Only the true Jesus saves...not a mimicker.[/

Jesus Himself says that the Father is greater than He is in John 14:28. But only because His Father is before He was, and He came from Him. But ALL the fullness of the Father is in the Son- so that includes His Deity (Godness).
Nope. Did you bother to read my post that addressed your belief?
 
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redeemed2014

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#23
It's what God's Word says all the way through the Bible.
Amen!

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

What man says does not matter only what the Word of God tells us!
 
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Tintin

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It matters not, ALL the FULLNESS of the Father is in the Son- that makes Jesus God- just as much as the Father and Holy Spirit.
You don't seem to be the teachable sort, do you?

Here you go:
If Jesus had been created, He would cease to be God. God is the uncreated Creator. Being the Son of God means Jesus is the fullness of God, not that He was 'born' from God at some stage. We're told not to worship creation, but the Creator. If we worshipped Jesus and He was part of creation, that would mean we were worshipping creation. But it would also mean that Jesus was corrupted by sin (because the whole of creation was corrupted by sin). But Jesus is God's Son and God, so your theory has no merit.
 
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PurerInHeart

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#26
Colossians 1:19 "For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him."
 
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redeemed2014

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#27
A lot on this site and elsewhere criticize the Jehovah's Witnesses unfairly imho, the Governing Body of JW's have admonished and published some fine articles, and around our way they are the only true acting Christians that follow in Jesus foosteps and Jesus commanded his followers to preach from house to house village to village city to city. I can see Scripturally why they object to idolatory and the use of the cross in worship to God and I can see why they say Jesus is in subordination to his Father, and they actually use the name of the God of the Bible which they say appears thousands of times in the Christians Holy Bible. God is a title, God – YHWH (translated Jehovah in English) why is God's personal name missing in many places from many Bibles?






A son can not be the same age as his father, a father cannot be his own son, I think the trinity doctrine is absurd, incongruous.












Watch the works of the devil begin the attack on me after saying this.
The Trinity is seen throughout the entire bible. To deny the trinity is to say that Gods Word is nothing but a lie

It is seen in the very first chapter of the first book in the bible

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Plus multiple other passages in our bible that shows a trinity (I can post if you wish). Can you show me verses that say otherwise, because you have already marked everybody that will contest your statement as a workman of satan, I am assuming that you have scripture to back your statement up
 
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Tintin

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#28
Colossians 1:19 "For God was pleased to have all His fullness dwell in Him."
I'm not debating that at all, I'm debating the fact that you think Jesus is God and a created being. That's just not true.
 

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#29
Okay, with all this silliness, one thing we can say. Some of us have a different Jesus.
Some have Him as God Almighty and some as a 'lesser' than Almighty God.
We do not have the same God.
He can't be both.
Only the true Jesus saves...not a mimicker.

Jesus Himself says that the Father is greater than He is in John 14:28. But only because His Father is before He was, and He came from Him. But ALL the fullness of the Father is in the Son- so that includes His Deity (Godness).
Greater in function but not essence. In His essential Being Jesus is the eternal Son of God, 2nd person of the Trinity.
Look, if any knew that Jesus was claiming to be God it was his enemies who knew the Hebraisms better than you or I.

The Jews answered him, "It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God."
(Joh 10:33)

Then if Jesus is not God, He is deluded for considering Himself equal to God thus making Himself disqualified to be our Savior.

Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
(Php 2:6)
 
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redeemed2014

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#30
I'm not debating that at all, I'm debating the fact that you think Jesus is God and a created being. That's just not true.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Seeing these verses how can you say that the Lord Jesus Christ is not God in the flesh?
 
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PurerInHeart

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#31
You don't seem to be the teachable sort, do you?

Here you go:
If Jesus had been created, He would cease to be God. God is the uncreated Creator. Being the Son of God means Jesus is the fullness of God, not that He was 'born' from God at some stage. We're told not to worship creation, but the Creator. If we worshipped Jesus and He was part of creation, that would mean we were worshipping creation. But it would also mean that Jesus was corrupted by sin (because the whole of creation was corrupted by sin). But Jesus is God's Son and God, so your theory has no merit.


Yes, I'm teachable, I've had classes, I've studied the word, I was not born knowing everything I know now. But you have not proven to me that I'm wrong. There are many things I remember that I learned in the bible, but I don't always remember where I found them, and if I can't find it through Google, so they don't believe me- like the one time I told someone Abraham and Sarah had the same father. There are many verses I read that shows Jesus did not always exist like the Father has. But I can't remember everything on the spot- you're talking a lifetime of learning. Do you remember every detail from kindergarten through graduation? I don't. But I know what I've learned- reading, math, and history. I know 1+2=3, but I can't remember what my math book looked like, or what page it was on.
 
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Tintin

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#32
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Seeing these verses how can you say that the Lord Jesus Christ is not God in the flesh?
Right! Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. He's the uncreated Creator, the second person of the Holy Trinity.
 
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Tintin

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#33


Yes, I'm teachable, I've had classes, I've studied the word, I was not born knowing everything I know now. But you have not proven to me that I'm wrong. There are many things I remember that I learned in the bible, but I don't always remember where I found them, and if I can't find it through Google, so they don't believe me- like the one time I told someone Abraham and Sarah had the same father. There are many verses I read that shows Jesus did not always exist like the Father has. But I can't remember everything on the spot- you're talking a lifetime of learning. Do you remember every detail from kindergarten through graduation? I don't. But I know what I've learned- reading, math, and history. I know 1+2=3, but I can't remember what my math book looked like, or what page it was on.
Please, share them. As for you not remembering everything on the spot, I don't expect you too. But Jesus Christ being the uncreated Creator and second person of the Holy Trinity, that's Christianity 101.

As for the Abraham and Sarah question that you mentioned, that's easy to Google. Genesis 20:12

"Besides, she actually is my sister, the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother, and she became my wife;
 
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redeemed2014

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#34
Right! Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. He's the uncreated Creator, the second person of the Holy Trinity.
Please accept my apology I read to quickly and misunderstood what you posted. I thought you were getting at the the Lord Jesus Christ is not God
 
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PurerInHeart

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#35
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Seeing these verses how can you say that the Lord Jesus Christ is not God in the flesh?
Yeah- in the beginning (of creation) He was with God and He was God, because God put all His fullness into Him. On day one God made Light, what was this Light if not Christ? It was not the sun, moon, and stars- that was day four. Jesus is the Light.
 
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Tintin

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#36
Yeah- in the beginning (of creation) He was with God and He was God, because God put all His fullness into Him. On day one God made Light, what was this Light if not Christ? It was not the sun, moon, and stars- that was day four. Jesus is the Light.
The Light was the manifest presence of God. Jesus is the Light of the world, yes. But that's a metaphoric understanding of who He is. And Jesus was and is God because He's God, along with His Father and Holy Spirit. The three in one were there before the beginning of all things (before any act of creation had begun).
 
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PurerInHeart

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#37
Please, share them. As for you not remembering everything on the spot, I don't expect you too. But Jesus Christ being the uncreated Creator and second person of the Holy Trinity, that's Christianity 101.

As for the Abraham and Sarah question that you mentioned, that's easy to Google. Genesis 20:12

"Besides, she actually is my sister, the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother, and she became my wife;[/QUOTE


I wish I would have written them down. And I understand your thinking, cause I felt the same way. I wrestled with it for days. It was hard to accept.
 
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Tintin

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#38
Please, share them. As for you not remembering everything on the spot, I don't expect you too. But Jesus Christ being the uncreated Creator and second person of the Holy Trinity, that's Christianity 101.

As for the Abraham and Sarah question that you mentioned, that's easy to Google. Genesis 20:12

"Besides, she actually is my sister, the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother, and she became my wife;[/QUOTE


I wish I would have written them down. And I understand your thinking, cause I felt the same way. I wrestled with it for days. It was hard to accept.
I've wrestled with many things to come to the Truth of God's Word. But it isn't truth to believe Jesus is a created being. Have you been a CC member before? You seem awfully familiar.
 
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PurerInHeart

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#39
The Light was the manifest presence of God. Jesus is the Light of the world, yes. But that's a metaphoric understanding of who He is. And Jesus was and is God because He's God, along with His Father and Holy Spirit. The three in one were there before the beginning of all things (before any act of creation had begun).
​I'm not saying Jesus was a physical light, but a spiritual light, Who then spoke creation into existence- He is the Word of God. He said, "Let there be..." and there was.
 
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fredoheaven

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#40
Yeah- in the beginning (of creation) He was with God and He was God, because God put all His fullness into Him. On day one God made Light, what was this Light if not Christ? It was not the sun, moon, and stars- that was day four. Jesus is the Light.
This makes things a sort complicated but who is "He" or "Him"? Did God "put" all fullness into Him? Are you really sure of this one?

Thanks,