I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.,

[willybob]

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[TD="class: yiv3139549867mcnTextContent"]- MARCH 9 -
THE CLAUSE THAT MAKES IT ALL HAPPEN

[HR][/HR]We are no longer under the old covenant. We are now under the new covenant. And in this new covenant, God says that He will do three things for us:

Lead us—“I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts.” (Hebrews 8:10) These are the laws of faith, love and liberty to guide you in everything you do. It is a spontaneous, dynamic, active and intimate way to be led by God.

Work miracles for us—“I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” (Hebrews 8:10) The phrase “I will be their God” denotes a miracle-working God. So if you are sick and God says, “I will be your God,” get ready for healing! If you are poor and God says, “I will be your God,” get ready for His supply!

Cause us to know Him effortlessly—“…all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.” (Hebrews 8:11) The Greek word for “know” here is eido. It means to know intuitively without effort. This means that you will know God easily.

Do you want to experience all these blessings in your life today?
“Of course, Pastor Prince, I want to be led by God. I want Him to work miracles in my life. I want to know Him intimately without straining or striving.”

Then, you need to know the clause that makes it all happen: “For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” The words “no more” in the Greek carry a strong double-negative sense. So God is saying, “I will never, by no means, remember your sins!”

Beloved, the more you believe this in your heart, the more you will see those blessings fulfilled in your life. When you realize how much God has forgiven you and remembers your sins no more, you will know Him, His ways and His will for you intimately and intuitively without effort.

So believe in your heart today the clause on which all these blessings hinge, and get ready for miracles and hopes fulfilled in the days ahead!



Destined To Reign Devotional by Pastor J. Prince

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They seek so to make your flesh feel good while still in their sins...Jeremiah said it is because the people want it so...They heap upon themselves false prophets who speaking great swelling words of emptiness, promising others liberty while they themselves are servants of corruption, merchandizing the poor fools out of millions and millions ta boot...People will pay big money to have their consciences soothed......discernment is of the greatest of gifts from the Spirit which is a very rare gift today....


Charles Spurgeon was the father of bedtime devotionals designed to put people to sleep in more ways then one...And while men slept,....many crept in unawares...all done by stealth..

 

[joaniemarie]

Except when all these "new interpretations" don't line up with God's Word, which is when the Holy Spirit is not leading. God will never contradict his Word. The Spirit will never lead you to a place where where the Bible does not go.

Made up definitions are always a sign or heresy, lying or ignorance. You are following a fake!

Why don't you try reading your Bible in context? Instead of these stupid devotionals, where literally I have not seen one that actually exegetes the text properly, or draws correct conclusions.

This is not a "new" interpretation or made up definitions. Maybe you don't understand how God can take His Word and show a million truths in one book? His mercies are new every morning. We learn new things all the time like rivers of living water flowing in and through us by His Holy Spirit. We get fresh bread every day if we are willing. When it's flowing it's not stagnant and it never gets tedious.

There is no contradiction here just because I don't agree with you. Not understanding how anyone can see the Bible differently than you do is no excuse for freely insulting people. I also believe there will be a "rapture" taking away of the church before the tribulation occurs. I know you don't agree with that either.

I very much enjoy and have learned a lot from the many pastors and teachers I've sat under over the years but Jesus is the One I follow and it's condescending of you to say otherwise. I attempted to "reason together with you" but you don't want to do that. You simply can't see past your own prejudices and that makes you unable to have a respectful conversation with me.

You and williebob have that in common.

 

[Grace777x70]

I don't know anything about this, so I am asking

Does Joseph Prince actually say this:

1. Prince says God puts His laws in his mind, then says all of jesus' teachings before the cross are null & void 'cause they're OT.

No, it's a lie and a complete mis-representation of what is being said. Some people say that some things Jesus taught are not for us today.

For example - when a person came and said "What must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus gave him the law of Moses. Is that how we are saved today? No, of course not. So, to take Jesus teaching here to say that we need to follow the law of Moses for eternal salvation is not the truth.

Jesus said that to the man to exposer his need for a savior as it turns out , he had not actually done the commandments.

 

[PennEd]

"καὶ οὐ μὴ διδάξωσιν ἕκαστος τὸν πολίτην αὐτοῦ καὶ ἕκαστος τὸν ἀδελφὸν αὐτοῦ, λέγων· Γνῶθι τὸν κύριον, ὅτι πάντες εἰδήσουσίν με ἀπὸ μικροῦ ἕως μεγάλου αὐτῶν." Hebrews 8:11 Greek

"No longer will they teach their neighbor,or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest." Hebrews 8:11 NIV

I have no idea this source you are using, but it is pretty simple to figure it out.

The first verb "Know the Lord" is Γνῶθι or gnothi. It is the Aorist Imperative Active. Very important!! This is what God commands us to do. That is what the Imperative tense means! We are commanded to KNOW him. The infinitive or non-indicative nature of the verb doesn't come out in English, but I will agree that use the command "KNOW!" covers* it.

This verb does not come from οῗδα oida. Instead, it comes from γινώσκω. Kind of makes sense γνθι coming from γινῶσκω. So Stephen, you were not wrong, but right on the first verb! And it does mean "know, come to know, realize, learn." Bauer (BDAG)

The second verb is εἰδήσουσίν or eidasousin. It is Future Active Perfect, 3rd person plural,probably one of the few times this happens in the NT. It comes from οῗδα,* which means "I know, understand." Oida is a strange verb, being in the Perfect Tense in the lexical form. But the word is translated into the present tense, just as the Future Perfect tense to be translated into the Perfect.

But always remember that Perfect means a completed action, so "they will all know me," is going to be completed. That is the grammar in Hebrews 8:11.

"The Greek word for “know” here is eido. It means to know intuitively without effort. This means that you will know God easily."

Totally confused by this statement in the OP devotional, by he-who-shall-not-be-named.

I searched through Bauer, the best Lexicon, and 3 Greek exegetical commentaries and there was NO mention of οῗδα ever being "easy, to know without effort." Or, "That you will know God easily" This is pure and utter imaginative speculation. It is not rooted in an understanding of the Greek. He-who-shall-not-be-named knows just enough Greek to be dangerous, (as in leading people astray!) and not enough to have a clue what he is talking about. Just throwing around some words and making up a definition.

Hi Angela.

I'm not taking a position one way or the other on Prince, but I don't understand why a commentary a couple hundred years ago has any more credence than a commentary today?

Also, in what way is Prince leading people astray?

I admit, although I KNOW the Lord can and STILL does miraculous physical healing, the idea that believers will never get diseases and illnesses that lead to debilitation and death, is wrong, and potentially harmful, especially to believers and those who know them who DO fall to sickness, I don't think I've ever read where Prince preaches against the One True Gospel.

If he fiddled and misled on who Jesus is, how He suffered and died for us, and His subsequent resurrection, then I'd have a serious issue with him.

BTW. Your knowledge of of Greek is awesome! Thanks so much for sharing it.

 

[Grace777x70]

"καὶ οὐ μὴ διδάξωσιν ἕκαστος τὸν πολίτην αὐτοῦ καὶ ἕκαστος τὸν ἀδελφὸν αὐτοῦ, λέγων· Γνῶθι τὸν κύριον, ὅτι πάντες εἰδήσουσίν με ἀπὸ μικροῦ ἕως μεγάλου αὐτῶν." Hebrews 8:11 Greek

"No longer will they teach their neighbor,or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest." Hebrews 8:11 NIV

I have no idea this source you are using, but it is pretty simple to figure it out.

The first verb "Know the Lord" is Γνῶθι or gnothi. It is the Aorist Imperative Active. Very important!! This is what God commands us to do. That is what the Imperative tense means! We are commanded to KNOW him. The infinitive or non-indicative nature of the verb doesn't come out in English, but I will agree that use the command "KNOW!" covers* it.

This verb does not come from οῗδα oida. Instead, it comes from γινώσκω. Kind of makes sense γνθι coming from γινῶσκω. So Stephen, you were not wrong, but right on the first verb! And it does mean "know, come to know, realize, learn." Bauer (BDAG)

The second verb is εἰδήσουσίν or eidasousin. It is Future Active Perfect, 3rd person plural,probably one of the few times this happens in the NT. It comes from οῗδα,* which means "I know, understand." Oida is a strange verb, being in the Perfect Tense in the lexical form. But the word is translated into the present tense, just as the Future Perfect tense to be translated into the Perfect.

But always remember that Perfect means a completed action, so "they will all know me," is going to be completed. That is the grammar in Hebrews 8:11.

"The Greek word for “know” here is eido. It means to know intuitively without effort. This means that you will know God easily."

Totally confused by this statement in the OP devotional, by he-who-shall-not-be-named.

I searched through Bauer, the best Lexicon, and 3 Greek exegetical commentaries and there was NO mention of οῗδα ever being "easy, to know without effort." Or, "That you will know God easily" This is pure and utter imaginative speculation. It is not rooted in an understanding of the Greek. He-who-shall-not-be-named knows just enough Greek to be dangerous, (as in leading people astray!) and not enough to have a clue what he is talking about. Just throwing around some words and making up a definition.

It is obvious that you did not read the OP nor what I had wrote because if you did - you would have found out that it is the 2nd word for "know" that is being talked about.

I understand that if something doesn't agree with other people religious views on a subject - then the other person doesn't know Greek "like I do". So to them they are heretics. How foolish and slanderous of them to do such a thing. But that is exactly what malice brings to all of us.

People can know all the Greek they want and still not have revelation knowledge of the scriptures that reveal Christ's lovely and majestic work for us.

Here is what was said in the OP and as you can see if you have eyes to see what is really being said - he said that we will know the Lord intuitively and easily.

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Cause us to know Him effortlessly—“…all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.” (Hebrews 8:11) The Greek word for “know” here is eido. It means to know intuitively without effort. This means that you will know God easily.

Unquote:

 

[Grace777x70]

Also, it is just plain wrong to call someone a heretic because you don't agree with their interpretations of certain Bible verses. I believe in healing in the atonement and you don't. This doesn't make me a heretic. I also believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit including speaking in tongues is for today. As it is an intricate and important part of my prayer life and fellowship with God but you don't agree. That doesn't make me a heretic.

These issues are not up for debate because you nor I can answer for each other. There are enough Christians on both sides of these issues for it to be a fool hearty endeavor to start accusing one another of heresy. It does no good for the furtherance of God's will in this world against the real enemy of our souls who is obviously killing, stealing and destroying people's lives.

Let's not get into allowing our common enemy satan to trick us into biting and devouring one another on these forums and thereby doing his job for him.

Amen....you have nothing to be ashamed about concerning the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is the power of God for salvation for everyone "who believes". We now live by faith in all that Christ has already done for us.

Romans 1:16-17 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

[SUP]17 [/SUP] For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

 

[sevenseas]

If a Christian said that no one should listen to them. No, I have not said that nor would I put up a devotional by someone who had.

well then, is the poster who said this lying?

it seems like an outrageous statement to me and I would not listen to someone who said what he seems to be saying about Joseph Prince

I have said before in this forum, because someone said that I was a Joseph Prince believer, but I do not listen to him so I don't know what he says

seems there may be unfounded accusations flying around and that is both troubling and tiresome

if you ask me, when you find someone who teaches the Bible and it really helps you, then you have found an oasis in this dry world

 

[sevenseas]

No, it's a lie and a complete mis-representation of what is being said. Some people say that some things Jesus taught are not for us today.

For example - when a person came and said "What must I do to inherit eternal life?" Jesus gave him the law of Moses. Is that how we are saved today? No, of course not. So, to take Jesus teaching here to say that we need to follow the law of Moses for eternal salvation is not the truth.

Jesus said that to the man to exposer his need for a savior as it turns out , he had not actually done the commandments.

okay

thanks, I think I understand now

no, we don't try to keep the 10 commandments

so then it seems there is a big storm for nothing?

 

[sevenseas]

They seek so to make your flesh feel good while still in their sins...Jeremiah said it is because the people want it so...They heap upon themselves false prophets who speaking great swelling words of emptiness, promising others liberty while they themselves are servants of corruption, merchandizing the poor fools out of millions and millions ta boot...People will pay big money to have their consciences soothed......discernment is of the greatest of gifts from the Spirit which is a very rare gift today....


Charles Spurgeon was the father of bedtime devotionals designed to put people to sleep in more ways then one...And while men slept,....many crept in unawares...all done by stealth..

what are you even talking about?

make sense

Jeremiah was told to marry a prostitute. The teaching in the new testament is that we should not marry an unbeliever.

do you not see the difference?

 

[Grace777x70]

well then, is the poster who said this lying?

it seems like an outrageous statement to me and I would not listen to someone who said what he seems to be saying about Joseph Prince

I have said before in this forum, because someone said that I was a Joseph Prince believer, but I do not listen to him so I don't know what he says

seems there may be unfounded accusations flying around and that is both troubling and tiresome

if you ask me, when you find someone who teaches the Bible and it really helps you, then you have found an oasis in this dry world

I liked what you said in brown above and it is so true. We are all at different places in our walk with the Lord.

What happens to some of us is that a teacher could believe something we were not taught in our church upbringing or that is not "traditional". What is "traditional" to some may not be to others.

So, if a teacher is saying something that they don't believe - then that teacher is a heretic. Sometimes people have been hurt by others that believe a certain teaching and thus malice and bitterness sets in against the teacher of that truth because of the bad behavior of others towards them.

Take "speaking in tongues" - there are Greek scholars who believe it is for today and others believe that it isn't for today. Both are Greek scholars so whether one is a Greek scholar in real life has no bearing on the revelation of the scriptures. Unfortunately some do try to "Lord it over other people's faith" by belittling them with their "superior knowledge".

There are those in the body of Chris that believe that those that speak in tongues are of the devil and of course they are "heretics". There are those that believe God wants His children well and will protect them - others don't believe in that - so of course those that do believe are "heretics" to those that don't. This can apply to any belief in Christ's work on the cross - including the forgiveness of sins.

Martin Luther was a heretic to the established church of his day when he said "The just shall live by faith". Their argument was for the last 1300 years we have believed in our way of believing - which was the catholic church's way at the time. Luther was going against 1300 years of traditional thoughts and beliefs and thus he was a heretic because what he said "conflicted" with their religious beliefs.

Personally I don't believe in everything any teacher says. I hope to repent and believe things differently then I do now in 2 years as I see more of the beauty and love and grace of our loving father towards us in Christ.

 

[joaniemarie]

well then, is the poster who said this lying?

it seems like an outrageous statement to me and I would not listen to someone who said what he seems to be saying about Joseph Prince

I have said before in this forum, because someone said that I was a Joseph Prince believer, but I do not listen to him so I don't know what he says

seems there may be unfounded accusations flying around and that is both troubling and tiresome






"if you ask me, when you find someone who teaches the Bible and it really helps you, then you have found an oasis in this dry world

"


That's a lovely way to put it sevenseas and I very much agree with you.

 

[PeterJens]

I don't know anything about this, so I am asking

Does Joseph Prince actually say this:

1. Prince says God puts His laws in his mind, then says all of jesus' teachings before the cross are null & void 'cause they're OT.

“Not everything that Jesus said was spoken to the church. Paul’s letters were written to the church and are thus for our benefit today. God raised him up to write the words of the ascended Jesus…That is why, when it comes to reading the Bible, I always encourage new believers in our church to begin with the letters of Paul. (Many new believers like to start with the book of Revelation or Genesis, without first getting a foundation in the gospel of grace through reading the letters of Paul.)”
Quotes from “Destined to Reign” Chapter 8, page 94

The principle is what Jesus taught was to show how far short people fall from
the mark God expects of His people, so are dependent only on Christs imputed
righteousness.

Innate within this belief is a total inability to walk righteously and scripture
promises and the apostles succeeded in doing.

So though the morality Christ shared is still the standard, this group believes no
one will ever meet it, it is too high.

 

[Stephen63]

I don't know anything about this, so I am asking

Does Joseph Prince actually say this:

1. Prince says God puts His laws in his mind, then says all of jesus' teachings before the cross are null & void 'cause they're OT.

If a Christian said that no one should listen to them. No, I have not said that nor would I put up a devotional by someone who had.

From Destined to Reign:

“…some of the words which Jesus spoke in the four gospels…are part of the old covenant. They were spoken before the cross as He had not yet died. The new covenant only begins after the cross, when the Holy Spirit was given on the day of Pentecost.”
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Chapter 8, page 92
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So, joaniemarie, are you still gonna publish Prince now?

 

[Stephen63]

 

[Stephen63]

 

[Stephen63]

 

[gb9]

hey, newsflash, many of us know ( or care ) nothing about this guy or his teaching. and, the site has asked ALL of us to stop talking about him.

 

[Stephen63]

 

[sevenseas]

I see the word SOME in there

I would agree with that but even so, all scripture is given etc

I think you are trying to make a case that is stretching what is being said

as grace pointed out, do we keep the 10 commandments today? as if anyone could now or then

believe me, I think all the words of Jesus are not to be missed

 

[Stephen63]