I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.,

[sevenseas]

Ok. Let me ask a different question. Is Christianity about righteousness and walking in it?

If faith is about this then amen, but if it is not, it is about walking unrighteously and
reconciling this with a Holy God.

Now you could say God is not Holy and does not need reconciliation, but then God would
not be the unchanging Holy God of scripture.

And walking righteously is walking in the love of God, love of your neighbour and your enemy.
And yes, let us all join together to walk in fellowship as the people of Kingdom to fulfill
this, through the cross and resurrection to new life with the baptism of the Holy Spirit Amen

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”
Gal 5:14

Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Rom 13:10

not to avoid your questions, because they seem reasonable enough

but I would say Christianity is about following Christ and the rest follows as we do

the Bible does say there is no one righteous, so I would say that our righteousness is the righteousness that God has provided us through His Son

since nothing we do can earn salvation, and since we are told in Galatians to continue in our walk the same as how it started, by faith. I would say that each day must be lived in faith

I want to be so much better than I am and every day I fail, so does that make me unrighteousness?

I don't think so if I understand scripture. Paul says we run our race to the end and I sure am trying to do that!

if we are encouraged along the way, then it would be like people on the side of the race, handing out water or whatever as the racers go by

Paul uses these illustrations of athletes...racing, wrestling and so on

 

[Grace777x70]

I see the word SOME in there

I would agree with that but even so, all scripture is given etc

I think you are trying to make a case that is stretching what is being said

as grace pointed out, do we keep the 10 commandments today? as if anyone could now or then

believe me, I think all the words of Jesus are not to be missed

I agree with this statement here below.

Quote:

From Destined to Reign:

“…some of the words which Jesus spoke in the four gospels…are part of the old covenant. They were spoken before the cross as He had not yet died. The new covenant only begins after the cross, when the Holy Spirit was given on the day of Pentecost.”
​

Chapter 8, page 92
​

Unquote:

The New Covenant did not start until the death and resurrection of Jesus. Jesus was the greatest law preacher to those that needed the law in order to expose their need for a Savior. To these self-righteous types Jesus gave the law of Moses 2.0 - elevated to show it's real intent.

Jesus was the greatest grace preacher to those that knew they needed a Savior. To those Jesus spoke grace.

All of Jesus words are "for" us to learn by but not all His words are "to" us directly. Jesus called the self-righteous Pharisees - Vipers and snakes. Does Jesus call His beloved children "Vipers and snakes"? No, of course not. Don't take someone else's medicine.

Learning to rightly divide the scriptures is paramount to growing up in Christ. The mixing of the Old and New Covenants causes all kinds of religions to be created in the name of God like this works-based D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness religion that actually denies the finished work of Christ.

​

 

[sevenseas]

But you have plenty of time to call out Willie T. that thread once you mentioned what post it was the cat is out of the bag of your thoughts. Please don't preach on the love of Christ if you can not retrain your own self, yea your full of love aren't you. And is fine by me if you don't want to hear anything I say no sweat off my back

oh

I see now where this is coming from

are you following me around? guess I'll just have to put you on ignore so you can go and report back to your friends who I will also put on ignore...oh wait! I already have LOL!

I don't have time for this inhouse fighting that goes on here

grow up

 

[Stephen63]

God is continually restoring “New Truths” to the church—-New Revelations (p.32)

 

[sevenseas]

I agree with this statement here below.

Quote:

From Destined to Reign:

“…some of the words which Jesus spoke in the four gospels…are part of the old covenant. They were spoken before the cross as He had not yet died. The new covenant only begins after the cross, when the Holy Spirit was given on the day of Pentecost.”
​

Chapter 8, page 92
​

Unquote:

The New Covenant did not start until the death and resurrection of Jesus. Jesus was the greatest law preacher to those that needed the law in order to expose their need for a Savior. To these self-righteous types Jesus gave the law of Moses 2.0 - elevated to show it's real intent.

Jesus was the greatest grace preacher to those that knew they needed a Savior. To those Jesus spoke grace.

All of Jesus words are "for" us to learn by but not all His words are "to" us directly. Learning to rightly divide the scriptures is paramount to growing up in Christ. The mixing of the Old and New Covenants causes all kinds of religions to be created in the name of God.

​

you know, I've been 'saved' a long time but sometimes I feel like I don't know very much and sometimes I wish I could be saved all over again

this arguing here gets old real fast

about all I can say at the end of the day is God help me and I say it at the beginning also

if people were more concerned with their own walk with God, instead of poking their logs into others lives, I think things would improve

I understand what you wrote. Thanks. I would agree. That does not mean I agree with everything about Joseph Prince, I don't watch him, so I would not even know

 

[sevenseas]

God is continually restoring “New Truths” to the church—-New Revelations (p.32)

stephen I'm tired of this now

I need some fresh air. I probably will check in later.

I'm fine to listen to both sides, but maybe you could explain yourself better?

thanks

 

[Stephen63]

Prince believes that God WILL NOT JUDGE America because of the cross. (p.49)

 

[Grace777x70]

ok I am confused.

What was said here is true, the new covenant begins AFTER THE CROSS..

However, this does not say that everything before the cross is null and void and meaningless..

Exactly! This is where some "twist" was is being said to make it say something completely different. This is called deceitfulness. Even after you prove what they are saying is a mis-representation - they still continue to lie about it. This type of foul behavior is no different then those that say it's ok to live the homosexual lifestyle. They are in the same lists together.

I don't interact with these types anymore because it just causes strife and division.

 

[Grace777x70]

you know, I've been 'saved' a long time but sometimes I feel like I don't know very much and sometimes I wish I could be saved all over again

this arguing here gets old real fast

about all I can say at the end of the day is God help me and I say it at the beginning also

if people were more concerned with their own walk with God, instead of poking their logs into others lives, I think things would improve

I understand what you wrote. Thanks. I would agree. That does not mean I agree with everything about Joseph Prince, I don't watch him, so I would not even know

I don't agree with everything any teacher writes about as I have said many times. But as far as the gospel of the grace of God in Christ - some teachers are right on and it "conflicts" with their religious traditions and so they go about attacking these ministers of the gospel.

They are just baby Christians as we can tell by their foul behavior. Sometimes it's best to just ignore them and not interact with them as no good comes from their anger, malice, slander and bitterness.

1 Peter 2:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore, putting aside all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander,

[SUP]2[/SUP] like newborn babies, long for the pure milk of the word, so that by it you may grow in respect to salvation,

 

[samuel23]

Doctrinal truth was established when God gave Revelation to John to give to the church. That was the final word on what is of God and what is not of God.

 

[BeyondET]

oh

I see now where this is coming from

are you following me around? guess I'll just have to put you on ignore so you can go and report back to your friends who I will also put on ignore...oh wait! I already have LOL!

I don't have time for this inhouse fighting that goes on here

grow up

If you don't have time for inhouse fighting then don't create such issues like calling out some thread that once done people know exactly who you are speaking of, Your not the only one who explores threads, It doesn't take a rocket science to know who you where speaking of when you said (the shack) your about as sharp as a marble.

 

[samuel23]

The Shack??? I bought that book for my daughter and after reading it she asked me if I had ever read it, I said no, so I did read part of it...it is an absurd blasphemy against the God of the bible, end of story. I thought it was a Christian story, goes to show that we need to check things out.

 

[Stephen63]

“Grace is personal and came as a person—the person of Jesus Christ. The law is hard, cold and impersonal. You cannot have a relationship with two pieces of stone. But grace is gentle and warm. Grace is not a teaching or doctrine. Grace is a person and you can have a relationship with a person.”​

Chapter 2, page 12
​

Grace is a person? The grace of the OT was a person?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

May I point out that God's grace is available to all, but like anything else, people see that different ways

God's grace does not stop sin; God's grace as we see in His only begotten Son, has made a way for us to have our sins forgiven

something the 10 commandments never did

so while I may not think this is 100% spot on, I also do not see a reason to call Joseph Prince or someone else here a heretic

if he is saying the grace of God stops sin, that would make me think that we need to stop sinning?

yes? no?

I'm really not sure what the ruckus is about

I see it as him saying the grace of God is what empowers us to stop sin..

ie, we are not under law but grace.. Where as the law increases sin, Grace allows us to recieve Gods love so we can love others. in that, sin decreases..

but yeah, People see it different ways

 

[PeterJens]

not to avoid your questions, because they seem reasonable enough

but I would say Christianity is about following Christ and the rest follows as we do

the Bible does say there is no one righteous, so I would say that our righteousness is the righteousness that God has provided us through His Son

since nothing we do can earn salvation, and since we are told in Galatians to continue in our walk the same as how it started, by faith. I would say that each day must be lived in faith

I want to be so much better than I am and every day I fail, so does that make me unrighteousness?

I don't think so if I understand scripture. Paul says we run our race to the end and I sure am trying to do that!

if we are encouraged along the way, then it would be like people on the side of the race, handing out water or whatever as the racers go by

Paul uses these illustrations of athletes...racing, wrestling and so on

Amen. We are athletes running a race, by the rules with an objective.
Christ calls us to learn how to love.

Now I used to think fine, loving is fine.
But now I know the trouble with loving is getting hurt. And when the hurt gets
too much we tend to stop loving and withdraw and lick our wounds.

I remember openning up to a relative, and I got mauled.
It was not a nice experience, and made me think twice about being sympathetic.

But Christ says if you love, accept mauling is part of the process and is not important,
because you know God loves you and has a place for you in heaven.

Does a parent worry about the kid who has lost it from hurting them?
No. You bundle up the kid and put them where they are safe and cannot hurt themselves
or anyone else and let it all calm down. Then you walk through it all.

After a long time of God doing this to us, we finally learn what we are like and what our
boundaries are, and how in love we can behave. So it takes time to follow, to learn, to
listen both to God and to ourselves. And our family are the people of God, and thank you
people of God for loving me, it brings joy to my heart, so God bless you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you bash that OP in this thread that must have really got under your skin, here's a thought just walk away and don't pound on someone in another thread. This bashing stuff is pathetic,,, believer.

was this to sevenseas or Stephen?

Seven did not bash the op

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have bashed someone?

honestly, some of you people here need a refresher in the love of Christ

you don't know how to pass it on

I have only asked questions and got various answers. I cannot tell you how little time I have for someone who does what you just did.

I don't understand why stephen is doing what he is doing, but I consider your ambush even worse

yeah. for real

kindly just go post to someone else because I don't think you have anything to say I want to hear

sadly, some think this is bashing,, If you question their belief system you are bashing them.

 

[BeyondET]

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“Grace is personal and came as a person—the person of Jesus Christ. The law is hard, cold and impersonal. You cannot have a relationship with two pieces of stone. But grace is gentle and warm. Grace is not a teaching or doctrine. Grace is a person and you can have a relationship with a person.”​

[/FONT][FONT=&]

Chapter 2, page 12
​

Grace is a person? The grace of the OT was a person?


[/FONT]

Does this sound gentle and warm, theres a time and place for everything.

Matt 16:23
Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns."

 

[Stephen63]

“My friend, righteousness is a gift because of what Jesus has accomplished on the cross for you. All your sins—past, present and future—have been washed clean by His precious blood. You are completely forgiven and from the moment you received Jesus into your life, you will never be held liable for your sins ever again.”​

Chapter 3, pages 28-29

1 John 1:9

​

New International Version
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

New Living Translation
But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness.

English Standard Version
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Berean Study Bible
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Berean Literal Bible
If we should confess our sins, He is faithful and just, that He may forgive us our sins and might cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

New American Standard Bible
If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

"We" here is the church.​

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The following are gleanings taken from his book – Destined to Reign. This list is the crux of Prince’s
teachings.
Nothing but blessings for the believer (p.53)
No longer a need to be concerned about God’s Judgment
Repentance and confession of sin is never necessary
Wealth is for all Christians

and here is the truth.

Nothing but blessings for the believer (p.53)

(not salvic in nature,, thus not worth arguing over, or calling someone a heretic.)

No longer a need to be concerned about God’s Judgment

This is eternal life.. If you are still concerned about judgment, You must not be saved. Col 2 also supports this completely

Repentance and confession of sin is never necessary

As proven in the many threads that have been closed by the ops. and the CAUSE of the thread demanding this topic never be brought up. A lie..JP does not teach this.. so it is slander. (unless someone found somethign since the last time we spoke of this that says otherwise)

Wealth is for all Christians

Again not salvic, and not worth going to war over,,