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The Spirit of God
one, two, three, four words? By this do you mean God the Father is a Spirit everywhere? Christ is a Spirit everywhere?...or God the Father is in Heaven and His Spirit radiates from Him like heat from a fire, touching everything causing influence.
 
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Do you believe that God fathered you like Yeshua, possessing His spiritual DNA? ...born with or developed as a result of awakening, rebirth?
 
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one, two, three, four words? By this do you mean God the Father is a Spirit everywhere? Christ is a Spirit everywhere?...or God the Father is in Heaven and His Spirit radiates from Him like heat from a fire, touching everything causing influence.
Everyone who is born of God is connected to God at all times by the Spirit.
The Spirit of God is everywhere.
 
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Everyone who is born of God is connected to God at all times by the Spirit.
This is the body of Christ.
 
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Don't they teach you these things in Sunday school?
 
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Do you believe that God fathered you like Yeshua, possessing His spiritual DNA? ...born with or developed as a result of awakening, rebirth?
Being Fathered by God is not a belief.
 
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I did not have to believe anything to be Fathered by God
just as the angels did not have to believe anything to become angels.

I was born. That did not require anything on my part.
 
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Everyone who is born of God is connected to God at all times by the Spirit.
This is the body of Christ.
It's like pulling teeth, but I finally got it out of you. Was that so hard? I don't disagree with you. I feel it too. It's like you are tuned into a radio station that others can't hear in your head. Even the same words you used, I used to describe it to people on here. You don't have to think about it, you just know...I'd say inherent, but no big deal.
 

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This has been a subject that brings division to the church and confusion to believers. It is taught by religion not by the Bible. Jesus never said that He was the Father, nor the Holy Spirit (figure). There are three individuals all deity, but not the same Person. It would be more like saying that sugar, fiber and potatoes are all carbohydrates. It's not saying that water, ice and steam are all H2O. There are multiple verses to back this up but only a couple that can be loosely understood to mean the other.

I have not found other Christians to be divided in this truth about the Godhead. And if believing that the 3 Persons; God the Father., God the Son., God the Holy Spirit are One God causes some Christians to get annoyed that will just have to be.

It is a Biblical truth not a human religious teaching. Imo religion can't handle many of the truths of the Bible. It's us who have to come to accept the truth of The Great God and our Savior Jesus Christ. We do it by faith. Not by human reasoning.



 

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What did Jesus inherit from His mother? And Adam was created not born.
Adam fell and sin passed upon all men.

Jesus inherited the linage of David from His mother Mary.

For the cause of Christ
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It's like pulling teeth, but I finally got it out of you. Was that so hard? I don't disagree with you. I feel it too. It's like you are tuned into a radio station that others can't hear in your head. Even the same words you used, I used to describe it to people on here. You don't have to think about it, you just know...I'd say inherent, but no big deal.
Now this is funny ...but better you than me.
 
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Being Fathered by God is not a belief.
I know it's not a belief but I think that faith and belief adjust the brain frequency, allowing you to "tune in" to the Holy Spirit. Yeshua was spiritually divine, by birth. We are adopted sons and heirs.

It's kind of like picking up a wifi signal on a smart phone. I'm not exactly certain how it works but I know that faith, guilt and love have more than exoteric properties. I have my theories.

No, they sure don't teach you these things, but it sure does increase understanding of the scriptures.

One final question then I have to get some work done here. What is your take on Genesis 6, Sons of God and daughters of men scandal?
 
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I know it's not a belief but I think that faith and belief adjust the brain frequency, allowing you to "tune in" to the Holy Spirit. Yeshua was spiritually divine, by birth. We are adopted sons and heirs.

It's kind of like picking up a wifi signal on a smart phone. I'm not exactly certain how it works but I know that faith, guilt and love have more than exoteric properties. I have my theories.

No, they sure don't teach you these things, but it sure does increase understanding of the scriptures.

One final question then I have to get some work done here. What is your take on Genesis 6, Sons of God and daughters of men scandal?
I am not adopted. I was born of God. God did not adopt me.
 
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I have not found other Christians to be divided in this truth about the Godhead. And if believing that the 3 Persons; God the Father., God the Son., God the Holy Spirit are One God causes some Christians to get annoyed that will just have to be.

It is a Biblical truth not a human religious teaching. Imo religion can't handle many of the truths of the Bible. It's us who have to come to accept the truth of The Great God and our Savior Jesus Christ. We do it by faith. Not by human reasoning.



You can find many debates on CC regarding this issue. It's not that I don't care what others believe but on some issues, it matters less than others. This is one that people will fight tooth and nail to hold to no matter how high the evidence stacks to the contrary. Sometimes you just have to pick your battles. Be blessed joaniemarie, I've gotta run.
 
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I was ready to take off but are you saying that you have no earthly father?
 

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[FONT=&quot]—declares the LORD[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“when I will make a new covenant[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]with the house of Israel[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]and with the house of Judah—[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 not like the covenant[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I made with their fathers[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]in the day I took them by the hand[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]to bring them out of the land of Egypt.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For they broke My covenant,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]though I was a husband to them.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]it is a declaration of Adonai.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]32 “But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]—it is a declaration of Adonai—[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“I will put My Torah within them.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yes, I will write it on their heart.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I will be their God[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]and they will be My people.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]33 No longer will each teach his neighbor[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]or each his brother, saying: ‘Know Adonai,’[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]for they will all know Me,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]from the least of them to the greatest.”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]it is a declaration of Adonai.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“For I will forgive their iniquity,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]their sin I will remember no more.”

Jeremiah 31:30-33
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The above is a prophecy accredited to the Prophet Jeremiah. It is believed to have been written somewhere around 629 B.C. So, somewhere around 600 years before the Messiah was born. The overarching theme of this chapter is about the destruction of Judah,the people, in Jerusalem then the reuniting of Israel and Judah. As prior to this Chapter Israel and Judah were seen as separate Houses, because the Father, G-D declared his divorce of Israel(Northern Kingdom)for their unfaithfulness, wicked hearts---Jeremiah 3 "to faithless Israel, because of her adultery, I have sent her away and given her a certificate of divorce." Ephraim being synonymous with the 10 tribes that were estranged and dispersed, following being separated into the Northern Kingdom of Israel. These 10 were divorced, by and large. However there remained the faithful, as G-D only said HE would divorce the faithless of Israel;Those who had joined with pagans, broken HIS law, and blasphemed HIS name.

Now, verses 30-33 are the portion of the Prophecy telling of the reuniting of The House of Israel(Divorced) and the House of Judah(Southern Kingdom of Judah(Including Tribes Judah and Benjamin)). They are to be joined together under a "New Covenant" a Covenant where G-D says HE shall:
" '..[FONT=&quot]make a new covenant[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]with the house of Israel[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]and with the house of Judah—[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]31 not like the covenant[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]I made with their fathers[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]in the day I took them by the hand[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]to bring them out of the land of Egypt.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]For they broke My covenant,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]though I was a husband to them.'[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]it is a declaration of Adonai.'"

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HE then tells how this Covenant will be different. Becoming a new and better Covenant.

" 'But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days”
—it is a declaration of Adonai—
“I will put My Law within them.
Yes, I will write it on their heart.
I will be their G-D
and they will be My people.' "

Now, it is important to note what G-D means by HIS law.
Many and most of modern Churchianity will say this is in reference to the "2 commandments of Christ" being that believers must only obey 2 commandments. Loving the LORD with all of our heart, soul, mind and strength. And loving our neighbors as ourselves.
I will argue this is in error. As the text teaches no such thing. But, this idea is widely accepted and wholly misunderstood.

This ideology bases this belief and false teaching on the twisting of verses found in Matthew 22:34-40.

" But the Pharisees, when they heard that Yeshua had silenced the Sadducees, gathered together in one place. And testing Him, one of them, a lawyer, asked, 'Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Torah (The Law)?'
"And He said to him, ‘You shall love Adonai your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire Torah(Law) and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

This text is explicit. And the only reason such a false teaching is so wide spread is due to mankind's desire to sin, break G-D's law, the Torah. The Messiah is teaching what is already believed, that the entire law(Torah) is to show us how we are to love our neighbors and love the Father. "The entire law and Prophets hang on these two commandments" means plainly the law is about loving G-D and loving others. "This is the love of G-D, that we keep HIS commandments." - 1 John 5:3

Every commandment in the Torah falls under one of two columns: Loving G-D or Loving Others.

Back to the point: This teaching not only does not align with the very verses it is based on, but is also is completely against all of scripture.

Jeremiah 31:32 is clear in its definition of the "New Covenant".
New Covenant is given to reunite the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
All of mankind that want to be in Covenant with the Father must fall into one of these Two Houses.
House of Judah: Jews and Benjamites
or
House of Israel: This would include not only the Tribes from the Northern Kingdom but also all sojourners; sojourners being the strangers who are not from any of the 12 tribes, but are former-Pagans. Like wild olive branches grafted into the cultivated Olive Tree. We too are part of Israel, the Nation of believers.

In the New Covenant, the Law of G-D(Torah), still applies. It is not replaced. It is not done-away with.
The Law is forever.

The Law is where we define sin.
"Sin is the transgression of the law." -1 John 3:4
"All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of G-D." -Romans 3
If the law no longer applied, how then do we sin?
How can you break a law that is not in affect or a law that doesn't apply to you?

"Do we then nullify the Torah through faithfulness? May it never be! On the contrary, we uphold the Torah."
"For I give you good doctrine. Do not forsake my Torah!"

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