If a christian commits suicide, would they go to hell?

GreenNnice · Sep 19, 2013

We make our own choices.

Those who CHOOSE Him, when they die, at His appointed time, go to the Bema Seat (this is not a judgment to hell, it's a 'rewards' judgment)

Those who do NOT CHOOSE Christ get judged at the Lake of Fire judgment, and, thiis is a heaven and hell judgment.

Best advice: Keep your mind focused on Christ. You never know where you go until YOU are gone .

Go with God

Grace-Like-Rain · Sep 19, 2013

p_rehbein said:

That is not the predestinationalist view at all. Have you ever seen scripture passages that speak of God giving people over to their own flesh or desires? Does that mean that he MAKES them sin? By no means.

But I agree with you that suicide is wrong.

p_rehbein · Sep 19, 2013

Grace-Like-Rain said:

It's not the view of some (maybe even most) predestinationists, but I have heard this kind of statement more than once when a disaster, tragedy befalls us. "Oh well, it's God's will........" And I wonder, "really?" See, there really are some who so strongly believe in predestination that they believe man has NO will to choose for himself. God has full control, and man (no matter what he does) is simply doing what God predestined him to do. I see/hear this view a lot.

There is Scriptural reason to believe in predestination, but it has to intertwine with foreknowing I think.........and finding the right mix seems to be the dilemma in my opinion.

God bless you and yours................

Rickee · Sep 19, 2013

Grace-Like-Rain said:

This goes back to whether or not a person can lose their salvation. If God's promise for us is everlasting, and our salvation is secure in his hands (and not ours), then nothing we do can separate us from him. Even suicide.

If you believe that people CAN lose their salvation due to sin, then this begs the question "What happens if I have unrepented sin at the moment of my death?" Woe to ALL who die in a moment of unrepented sin if this is the case, for all would fall from salvation.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the belief that we will go to hell if we commit suicide comes from the catholic teaching that we must be "absolved" for every sin or we will not be forgiven. Therefore, if one commits suicide, that is their last act on earth and there is no hope of them finding absolution or forgiveness. This is a false teaching. When we have Christ, we can be assured that His death on the cross paid for all of the sins we committed in the past, and all we will commit in the future. Our salvation isn't dependent on how WE act or what WE do, but on His grace and mercy for us. (Praise God for that!)

So my answer to the OP is no, suicide does not in itself lead to hell. But it IS wrong. We must trust the Lord in knowing how much we can handle. His grace is sufficient for us.

2 Cor 2:9 “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. ”

Jesus stated: " He that ENDURES TO THE END ( natural death/Rapture) SHALL BE SAVED" (Matthew 10 v 22)..... Secondly, suicide is a cop -out, meaning you have no faith or believe in the power of God., The person that kills them self is going to hell...

Grace-Like-Rain · Sep 19, 2013

Rickee said:

I'm not sure how the scripture you quoted shows that someone who kills himself is going to hell.

jahsoul · Sep 19, 2013

Grace-Like-Rain said:

When neither side has a definite answer (and they don't), you get stuff like this...on both sides.

nogard · Sep 20, 2013

Suicide is mainly a mental health issue. The vast majority of people who commit suicide are suffering from one form of mental illness or another (usually depression). People who don't really understand mental health problems may not take them as seriously as they are. Clinical depression affects your entire body, including your brain, and actually impairs your judgment and reasoning. This is a factor many Christians overlook when casting judgment on those who commit suicide.

Trax · Sep 20, 2013

Kreation said:

I realise that this is a really sensitive subject and I apologise if anyone finds this topic hard. I'm asking this question as I see this question pop up a lot.

I feel that this one takes the application of some simple logic. In Ephesians 1:13-14 Paul wrote that at the moment we first heard the gospel and believed it the Holy Spirit was sealed within us as a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance. In 2 Cor. 1:21-22 he added to this saying that God Himself has accepted responsibility for us and put His mark of ownership on us. In Colossians 2:13-14 he said that the Lord forgave us all our sins at the cross. That means our salvation was guaranteed before we had a chance to do anything, good or bad, after becoming saved.

Since God knows the end from the beginning, He knew every sin we would ever commit. The moment we accepted the Gospel and became born again all of them were forgiven, even the sin of taking our own life if it comes to that.

Yet some people believe that they would go to hell. Some will argue, but how can you repent of suicide? It is too late after you died. But I believe that this betrays an idea that each time you sin you temporarily lose your salvation before you go back to God and ask for his forgiveness.

So what are your views?

God bless!

(Also I'd like to point out that God would never want you to take your life as he values it more than anything in the world, so much that he gave his own son)

A christian is under grace, not under the law. If commiting suicide would send a christian to
hell, then covetousness will get about 80% of you people. Its also part of the law.

thecreationtutor · Sep 21, 2013

this is hard because I wrestle with suicidal thoughts, a lot over the past year. Sometimes I feel like just crying, and going to sleep as much as possible, I hate my life many times, and not in a biblical way that Christ would talk about. Sometimes I feel that nothing good will come, and that God opposes the work of my hand

resurrection33 · Sep 21, 2013

Kreation said:

I realise that this is a really sensitive subject and I apologise if anyone finds this topic hard. I'm asking this question as I see this question pop up a lot.

I feel that this one takes the application of some simple logic. In Ephesians 1:13-14 Paul wrote that at the moment we first heard the gospel and believed it the Holy Spirit was sealed within us as a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance. In 2 Cor. 1:21-22 he added to this saying that God Himself has accepted responsibility for us and put His mark of ownership on us. In Colossians 2:13-14 he said that the Lord forgave us all our sins at the cross. That means our salvation was guaranteed before we had a chance to do anything, good or bad, after becoming saved.

Since God knows the end from the beginning, He knew every sin we would ever commit. The moment we accepted the Gospel and became born again all of them were forgiven, even the sin of taking our own life if it comes to that.

Yet some people believe that they would go to hell. Some will argue, but how can you repent of suicide? It is too late after you died. But I believe that this betrays an idea that each time you sin you temporarily lose your salvation before you go back to God and ask for his forgiveness.

So what are your views?

God bless!

(Also I'd like to point out that God would never want you to take your life as he values it more than anything in the world, so much that he gave his own son)

I believe each time we sin, we find ourselves in hell - the Pit - for a period of time.

Kerry · Sep 21, 2013

Depends on their mental condition and other things. But seeking a permanent solution to temporary problem is at minimum a lack of faith and murder. You are not your own, you were bought with a price.

Angela53510 · Sep 21, 2013

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary issue. So goes the saying. Depression and other mental health issues are real. They are caused by neurotransmitter imbalances in the brain. Sometimes this is situational and other times it is something on-going.

I went through a long period of severe depression when Rheumatoid Arthritis disabled me with pain. I took all the medications, but the only thing that helped was controlling the RA. I was certainly suicidal many times in that period, and it was the grace of God that somehow foiled my thoughts and kept me from actually trying to kill myself. I am naturally a positive person, and I did come out of that depression totally, and I have been mostly good for many years now. But I do remember what it felt like to be hurting, and to feel like there was no hope for my physical condition.

I believe God understands our hearts. If our minds or bodies do not work properly, God knows our hearts are still for him. I think we need to leave judgment up to God and try and show compassion for those who are suffering with depression.

The Bible even talks about depression, in some of the newer versions.

"Why am I so depressed?
Why this turmoil within me?
Put your hope in God, for I will still praise Him,
my Savior and my God." Psalm 42:5 HCSB

Hope is to be found in Jesus Christ. If there is anyone in this forum needing help for suicidal thoughts, do not hesitate to PM me and we can talk about the situation and ways to find help, as well as praying about it.

RedTent · Sep 21, 2013

Mental states are SO complicated. I think that often we can understand how God operates by following what science discovers. We learned that it was wrong to say that all mental illness was from demons through what science taught. I think science is now pointing to the way that following God's plan for us prevents and often cures mental illness, too.

I experienced a severe depression that a physician gave me a pill to help. In my depressed state, my mind could not see any hope for my situation, all looked black. Whatever that pill was, it lifted the black thoughts enough I could think of solutions and bright areas in my life I was blinded to before, and my depression lifted. The pill cured me for always, because now I know to do what Phil 4:8 says: Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable – if anything is excellent or praiseworthy – think about such things.

Science tells me that my thoughts changed the hormones in my body so I could allow the good thoughts.

Perhaps if we lived God's way it would cure mental illness. Our churches and families would not be for judging, but leading, and for building each other up and supporting each other.

thecreationtutor · Sep 21, 2013

science doesn't say anything, people do

caroline777_1 · Sep 24, 2013

I have had a few people that were very close to me commit suicide. I believe, as you said, Kreation, it IS indeed a very sensitive subject, but worth discussing since it happens so frequently. Most do not want to discuss it or are afraid to. I will say that I believe we must be very cautious in judging something like this because only God knows the heart. We all fall short. I like what Woka said and I quote, 'As you put it, if we need to make sure we are sinless when we die then really what did Jesus die for' !!!!!!
So if we die a natural death or in a car accident, and we forgot to repent or we forgot to talk to God about a mistake we made and ask His forgiveness, then we go to hell? I very much doubt that! Christ came in the flesh, lives a sinless life, was hated, suffered and was crucified and took on ALL SIN, past, present and future.
This is a good topic to discuss and its good to hear what people think about this. I must say that I do not think God would lead us to do such a thing, and a person who commits suicided cannot be in their right mind.
Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me. Are we truly understanding GRACE? Are we truly understanding how Merciful God is? Let us let God be God, He is the judge. Let us also remember that there is no comdemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, and we are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise onto the day of redemption.
By faith, 'believe' we come to Christ as we are, and He freely receives us. Salvation is for anyone and everyone who 'believes' sincerely in their heart. Thank God for that. Many are saved on their deathbeds, like the thief on the cross who simply said, 'Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom'. He 'believed'. What a wonderful example. Jesus replied, 'today you will be with me in paradise'. How very encouraging!!!!!
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
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caroline777_1 · Sep 24, 2013

For The Creationtutor: I would like to encourage you in saying that David in the bible suffered much but was a man after God's own heart. Paul too suffered many trials, as all of the apostles did. Living for God is not easy and we all have wilderness periods. I am fairly new here and I hope it's ok for me to comment on your 'reply' to this post. I hope you feel better soon and I pray these suicidal thoughts would go away, In Jesus Name. I am praying for you.

Ukorin · Sep 24, 2013

Logically, I am pretty sure that a SAVED person can not go to hell, because.... well, they were saved from hell.
Theologically, suicide is not discussed in the context of salvation.
Relationally, if someone is considering suicide, it would be a sin to tell them, "it's ok, you'll go to heaven".
Honestly, God is the judge, and He is Just. All we have is speculation into His Divine Wisdom.

konroh · Sep 24, 2013

John 10:27"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29"My Father, who has given [them] to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father's hand. 30"I and the Father are one."

If you are a Christian, you have heard Jesus' voice, been known by Jesus, and have followed Him. You have eternal life, and no one can snatch you out of the Father's hand, or Jesus' hand, not even yourself. To add even more, Jesus and the Father are one, so you can't even separate which hand you are in to pry yourself out. To say that suicide can cause you to lose eternal life is to say you are greater than the Father, and Jesus.

MusicTester · Nov 23, 2013

What about her would she go to hell?

When Bullying Leads To Suicide:R.I.P Cade Parker This Tribute Is For You

- YouTube

Did my friend who was bullied to his death go to hell?

princeofpeace · Dec 4, 2013

I'm not God so I have no idea honestly and nor do I wish to pretend like I know, but this does beg the question of its true that a suicide can go to heaven then why don't we all just commit sucide and start living our real lives already. Just doesn't seem right. This is a real sensitive subject because i know some people are gonna say well you don't know what its like to be extremely deppressed, but trust me I do. I had extreme depression which led to suicidal thoughts but as soon as I started working on my walk with Christ the depression fell off of me immediately. I guess what I'm trying to say is its hard for me to see a person focused on Christ to be under depression long enough to where it leads to death. Suicide isn't a quick process, it takes time to develop and if the person is focused on what Christ wants how could that lead to killing one self unless it was to save a life or a case like Samson where his heart was right. Grievance over a loved one would be another thing where this would be an issue, but I've seen christians lose their spouses, grieve for some time and back to Christ work in time. I mean I've even heard of Christians being tortured day in and day out in prisons because of their faith yet don't commit suicide. Again I have no idea how God wll judge each of our hearts and I trully wish that he is a whole lot more lenient than I think He is but I also remember few will walk the narrow path. Yes everyone sins but me losing my cool and saying harsh things to someone in an argument and not being Christlike in a moment is one thing but losing my focus on Christ so much to where satan leads me to kill myself is another ballpark. In the end yes I think a sucide can go to hell. I'm pretty sure Samson did and I'm sure like somenone mentioned a soldier jumping on a grenade who is Christian would as well but I find it hard for a person under depression that commits sucide cause life was too hard to. I don't wan't to say who will and will not go to hell cause I simply can't but I also get frightned when people lighten up sin. Let's all just focus on Christ and let Him lead us. Love you all

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