If a christian commits suicide, would they go to hell?

[Greggy]

What?! Here's how I understood this reply: First you said "nevermind anyone else's post" (as in, ignoring everyone else's post). Second you state that [part of] my post makes no sense. Then you go on to say that there is nothing for me to clarify. -- Seems contradictory from the start, and then you went on to respond to other posts (after I thought you were implying that you were ignoring them) -- boy! Talk about confusing!



What?!

Slow down, Greggy.

I poted to OP so what ever anyones else posts is not anything to do with my reply to OP.
SO your wrong your understanding is wrong. You misunderstood my meaning which is really simple.
And your post made no sense to me.
There is nothing for you to try and clarify for me, You were trying to.

And the reply to others is because I am not ignoring themn as you though.

 

[Greggy]

I did not say they were the same.

Do I need to quote what you said again you implied there the same.

aw here it is.

Murder is illegal killing. It is illegal to kill yourself.

Like I said there is so much more involved.

 

[Greggy]

It makes no sense to deny medical help to one who needs it.

And God gave us free will to do as WE wish here on earth. You can take them to the docs if you think thats best.

 

[JaumeJ]

What does our merciful Savior ask? He desires mercy and not sacrifice. He came to forgive, not to condemn. Going along with Him, so wonderful and all love, my answer is no. Beware of judging others lest you receive the same judgment. God is always good. I feel safe, completely in the sight of God with my comment.

So many folks here decry obeying laws from God, yet many times they are the first to condemn others, as though they are judge jury and executioner. This is simply impossible as a doctrine. Love, have mercy and forgive.......then and only then will anyone be certain of his salvation in the Blood of the Lamb.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

I poted to OP so what ever anyones else posts is not anything to do with my reply to OP.
SO your wrong your understanding is wrong. You misunderstood my meaning which is really simple.
And your post made no sense to me.
There is nothing for you to try and clarify for me, You were trying to.

And the reply to others is because I am not ignoring themn as you though.

Well alllllriiighty then!



(Why address me if you're not talking to me?)
(Why dismiss me, before you first understand me?) <-- This is the part that makes me sad.

 

[oyster67]

This goes back to whether or not a person can lose their salvation. If God's promise for us is everlasting, and our salvation is secure in his hands (and not ours), then nothing we do can separate us from him. Even suicide.

If you believe that people CAN lose their salvation due to sin, then this begs the question "What happens if I have unrepented sin at the moment of my death?" Woe to ALL who die in a moment of unrepented sin if this is the case, for all would fall from salvation.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the belief that we will go to hell if we commit suicide comes from the catholic teaching that we must be "absolved" for every sin or we will not be forgiven. Therefore, if one commits suicide, that is their last act on earth and there is no hope of them finding absolution or forgiveness. This is a false teaching. When we have Christ, we can be assured that His death on the cross paid for all of the sins we committed in the past, and all we will commit in the future. Our salvation isn't dependent on how WE act or what WE do, but on His grace and mercy for us. (Praise God for that!)

So my answer to the OP is no, suicide does not in itself lead to hell. But it IS wrong. We must trust the Lord in knowing how much we can handle. His grace is sufficient for us.

2 Cor 2:9 “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. ”

I do like this post, but would like to add something:

Just because one is not an OSAS advocate does not mean that one believes that salvation (being born again) is easily "lost".

Some believe that you lose salvation only be willfully ceasing to love and serve Jesus and fellow man. It is a shame that this issue always has to get tangled up with eternal security. You and I share some common ground on this issue of suicide, despite our different views on eternal security. I don't like the sound of that Catholic teaching either. I feel very secured and assured because I love Jesus very much too. God bless!

 

[oyster67]

this is hard because I wrestle with suicidal thoughts, a lot over the past year. Sometimes I feel like just crying, and going to sleep as much as possible, I hate my life many times, and not in a biblical way that Christ would talk about. Sometimes I feel that nothing good will come, and that God opposes the work of my hand

If you are still struggling, then I refuse to judge you. I will pray with you and for you.

 

[Kaycie]

It is just like a judge on earth- if you are found guilty of murder you go to prison, and if you are found not guilty because of reason of insanity, you won't go to prison. But THIS Judge does not need clues and evidence, God knows every thought and intention of every heart. The intention of taking one's own life and carrying it out is murder, and the bible says murderers will not enter the kingdom of heaven. You did not create yourself, therefore you have no right to destroy what God created.

 

[Magenta]

Do I need to quote what you said again you implied there the same.

aw here it is
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Like I said there is so much more involved.

Like I said, I did not say they were the same. Thanks for proving it with the quotes.

 

[oyster67]

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary issue. So goes the saying. Depression and other mental health issues are real. They are caused by neurotransmitter imbalances in the brain. Sometimes this is situational and other times it is something on-going.

I went through a long period of severe depression when Rheumatoid Arthritis disabled me with pain. I took all the medications, but the only thing that helped was controlling the RA. I was certainly suicidal many times in that period, and it was the grace of God that somehow foiled my thoughts and kept me from actually trying to kill myself. I am naturally a positive person, and I did come out of that depression totally, and I have been mostly good for many years now. But I do remember what it felt like to be hurting, and to feel like there was no hope for my physical condition.

I believe God understands our hearts. If our minds or bodies do not work properly, God knows our hearts are still for him. I think we need to leave judgment up to God and try and show compassion for those who are suffering with depression.

The Bible even talks about depression, in some of the newer versions.

"Why am I so depressed?
Why this turmoil within me?
Put your hope in God, for I will still praise Him,
my Savior and my God." Psalm 42:5 HCSB

Hope is to be found in Jesus Christ. If there is anyone in this forum needing help for suicidal thoughts, do not hesitate to PM me and we can talk about the situation and ways to find help, as well as praying about it.

This post is sooooo beautiful! Thank you! Compassion is often spoken about but rarely seen. We are to pray with the down trodden and afflicted rather than coldly judge them.

 

[oldthennew]

if anyone has any 'in-ckling of how the dark-one can influence our lives, especially through
the many forms of 'abuse', lies,' then you would know/comprehend, that throughout our lives
we are subject to the powers that be.....and WILL SUFFER according to the laws of THIS WORLD....

when we are baited, sub-jected to, born into, over-come..without any Spiritual Knowledge, -
does our Father hold us accountable????

 

[BarlyGurl]

if anyone has any 'in-ckling of how the dark-one can influence our lives, especially through
the many forms of 'abuse', lies,' then you would know/comprehend, that throughout our lives
we are subject to the powers that be.....and WILL SUFFER according to the laws of THIS WORLD....

when we are baited, sub-jected to, born into, over-come..without any Spiritual Knowledge, -
does our Father hold us accountable????

Can you expand or restate your comment please... I am not sure what you are meaning... inkling? without spiritual knowledge?
More SPECIFIC would be helpful... too BROAD for me to decipher.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

Can you expand or restate your comment please... I am not sure what you are meaning... inkling? without spiritual knowledge?
More SPECIFIC would be helpful... too BROAD for me to decipher.

Can I take this to mean that you are done attempting to reconcile with me?

 

[oyster67]

As one who has struggled (still does) with suicide -- I absolutely cringe when I hear people say that it is selfish.

Here's why:

I feel I am helping others, if I end my life:
- I will no longer consume (and waste, as so many of us do -- without even realizing the extent to which we waste), which means there will be more [resources] for others.
- People I continue to 'wrong' will no longer be 'wronged' by me.

Honestly, my hope in God is the only idea that has kept me this long. I fear that which is unknown -- and I truly do not know what would happen to what I call 'myself' if I committed suicide. I fear that it might lead to Hell, but what concerns me more -- is not participating in God's Kingdom. [/COLOR]

Our Father has plenty of resources to go around. I often think of how He fed Elijah with ravens when He had run off to the wilderness in fear of Jezebel.

You are helping others by living. You are helping me right now. Thank you WW. You are a blessing. I really like your mentioning that what concerns you more is missing out on our glorious eternity together and missing out on participating in the praise and worship of the One who gave His life for us. I once had an old Bible School teacher say to me, "I think that God not only loves us, but I do also think that He likes us too." I do hope He comes soon. This life is so mean and cruel. Lets just try to ride on together, brother.

 

[Greggy]

Well alllllriiighty then!

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(Why address me if you're not talking to me?)
(Why dismiss me, before you first understand me?) <-- This is the part that makes me sad.

I see your stuck.

 

[Greggy]

Like I said, I did not say they were the same. Thanks for proving it with the quotes.

So if you were not saying there the same what were you saying in that post?

 

[WoundedWarrior]

I see your stuck.

And I see you have no intention to discuss...anything.
As, it seems you are only interested in one-sided, 1-liners.

It's all gravy though, Greggy -- We're all in different places.

 

[AnneNoel]

This confuses me more than ever...I always thought that if you commited suicide you were going to hell. I'm not sure why I've always thought this to be true, now I just don't know...?

 

[AnneNoel]

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Sometimes, we just have to remember the Gospel..

Thank you for sharing this video!!