Ask yourself, ask others, what is the one sure unpardonable sin? All others are forgiven by any who repent. Broken hearts are not turned away by our Father. He does not just know everything, being the Source of all that is, He understands all people. There are those who will say it is taking a life or killing, but even this is forgiveable. People who commit suicide usually have a broken heart. We are so blessed in this regard because we are free from judging such things and also totally free to forgive.
If a christian commits suicide, would they go to hell?
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That would be no. Can anyone show me one place in the scripture where saints of God committed suicide? If a Christian commits suicide they must grieve the Holy Spirit before they do so. Not saying it can't be done but it's not done easily. In any case it is Roman Catholic tradition that teaches the suicide is unforgiveable. The bible does not teach anything like this thread suggests.
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It is my great joy to inform this forum that I do not condemn anyone who commits suicide, for even murder is forgiveable. I know of people who have committed suicide, and I also know their hearts were absolutely broken. These people, whom I love dearly, were kind folks, and I believe, if anything, they were murdered by their surroundings, and by the actions of others. I cannot know this, but I do know I am free of judging others to condemnation.
Anyone here who condmens suicides in their hearts had better reconsider lest this "solution" seem the only way for them one day, and they will have condmened themselves. I am not prepared to do this. Please do not teach as though you know the judgment of God for these people. It is judging to damnation, and no one in or out of this forum has been handed over his crown and judgment yet.
Anyone here who condmens suicides in their hearts had better reconsider lest this "solution" seem the only way for them one day, and they will have condmened themselves. I am not prepared to do this. Please do not teach as though you know the judgment of God for these people. It is judging to damnation, and no one in or out of this forum has been handed over his crown and judgment yet.
What you ask here has no bearing on the OP. Saul had long been out of favor with Yahweh, however no where does it say Saul was condemned, only that he fell on his sword. This practice was common in battle when men were so wounded they would most likely not survive, and they did not wish to fall into the hands of the enemy.
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First of all it is directly contradictory to accept the idea preached in Revelation that God speaks of two resurrections, then everyone accepts the idea of the same God of love and compassion burning sinners in a scorching mass of agony for an eternity. This is not at all consistent with a loving God. The concept of hell refers to a hole or disposal erea for garbage and dead bodies. Also, the bible plainly states that "there is no knowledge in the grave where you go" the "dead know nothing" and many other scriptures that state that the dead are asleep with no knowledge, not either burning in hell or dwelling in heaven.
Also one must ask why if God was going to judge people emediately at death would he waste time resurrecting anyone only to judge them again later. I have heard it said that volcanoes are gateways to hell but I wont bother going into all of the reason why this concept is primitive and fails utterly.
Hell is a lovely concept that serves to scare people into church seats and helps exercise control over masses, sort of like putting a very powerful gun to the head of someone you want to control. If you stop to research it, the idea of hell loses steam. I myself could not imagine people living in utopia while knowing that for all of eternity their former associates were being kept in unimaginable torture. This to me is not consistent with love.
Also one must ask why if God was going to judge people emediately at death would he waste time resurrecting anyone only to judge them again later. I have heard it said that volcanoes are gateways to hell but I wont bother going into all of the reason why this concept is primitive and fails utterly.
Hell is a lovely concept that serves to scare people into church seats and helps exercise control over masses, sort of like putting a very powerful gun to the head of someone you want to control. If you stop to research it, the idea of hell loses steam. I myself could not imagine people living in utopia while knowing that for all of eternity their former associates were being kept in unimaginable torture. This to me is not consistent with love.
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I spent many years attending church in the WWCG of God. I am no more pretentious than those who claim they know the bible then proceed to contradict it. We spent years studying the bible, reading it and taking notes, and it was those very study sessions that showed me how many people make a claim, then when it is challenged they become offended. I see Christians condemn paganism, then practice it, preach purity, then perform immorality, and teach that a loving God condemns people to hell and yet ignore the scripture I pointed out. I guess then that the bible contradicts itself. Those were direct quotes. That is the problem with the modern Constantinian belief system, it cannot be questioned or challenged. That is also why I quit going to church. I don't care for indoctrination, the old "do not ask questions, simply accept." That is a very dangerous mentality.
There are many who are pre-Antioch believers of Jesus Christ. Many like to call Him by His Hebrew name, and some even call Him by what His name should translate to, which is Salvation.
Terms do not mean anything in the sight of God (god is from Sanskrit), it is what is in the heart. In other words we do not simply speak with our lips, it is our hearts that say it all, to Yahweh that is.
It is for this cause I placed I am a Christian in my profile so as not to confuse any who are weak in the faith or the superficial, depending on which applies.
It would serve all well to listen (read) to understand, not simply listen (read) to reply. It is a blessing.
What does all of this have to do with the OP? Forgive my replying to the post received...
Terms do not mean anything in the sight of God (god is from Sanskrit), it is what is in the heart. In other words we do not simply speak with our lips, it is our hearts that say it all, to Yahweh that is.
It is for this cause I placed I am a Christian in my profile so as not to confuse any who are weak in the faith or the superficial, depending on which applies.
It would serve all well to listen (read) to understand, not simply listen (read) to reply. It is a blessing.
What does all of this have to do with the OP? Forgive my replying to the post received...
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I've been through this before, same old thing. I had a massive argument with a minister named Kent Brumbaugh who condemned me because according to him God hated electric guitars because Satanic men invented them to promote rock music. I also have had these discussions with Christians who were into tarot cards, Ouija boards, crystals, astrology, spiritism and homosexuality, all of which are condemned by the bible. The original question was whether a person would go to hell over suicide. and the answer in each case is the same. It makes no difference what the bible says. Christians will believe what they desire to believe, main stream Christianity. That, my friend, is a big reason why I stopped going to church. Church is not about the bible, it is about echoes of what the churches have been promoting for the last few hundred years. You called me pretentious earlier which insinuates that what I said was not the truth, it was made up by me, and yet those scriptures are taken from the bible.
Here is the cold hard facts on all those subjects, and indeed, I spent me life from birth to age twenty six in a church, so don't bother telling me I'm making this up. Just because I don't waste my time in a building does nt mean I have not read the bible. I read it, and that is why I know it stands in stark contrast to modern Christianity:
Electric guitars were invented before rock music ever came along by twenty years. Kent Bruymbaugh threw a fit, insulted me, called me a liar and banned me when I presented researched facts.
paganism, tarot cards, Ouija boards, homosexuality (see Sodom and Gamorrah) were all condemned in the bible.
And with regards to suicide, the bible states that there are two resurrections in the book of Revelation, one for those who are called now and one for those who have died over the centuries with no knowledge of truth. Go look it up. Modern Christianity twists and edits scripture so that it reads the way those who use it to their advantage can most affectively deceive. Think about it with pure logic: As I said, does it make any sense to judge the dead at death, send most of them to hell for eternity, then turn around and judge them again? Does it not contradict scripture? Ah, but unless we talk echoes and agree with modern teachings, we offend. I see.
I myself believe in a master engineer, but I also believe that human beings have invented modern religion. Modern Christianity is a powerful tool for profit and control. People are afraid to question, afraid to do research because to do so is considered blasphemy and disrespect. I am Goth and I was flat out told by Christians that people like me were burned centuries ago because God hates our kind and we are evil. And yet every accusation made toward me was false.
Suicide often happens because a miserably unhappy person seeks an end for their pain., Been there. As for hell, hell dopes not exist and if Christianity seeks to promote the idea of an eternal fire pit, then evidently the bible contradicts itself. The bible teaches that the unrepentant sinners, the hardcores are burned up completely and even their memory dies. Does that sound more in keeping with a God or does an eternity of mind blowing torture? Does it ever occur to anyone that changes have been made that are not biblical?
That's the problem today, so many will not question what they have been told. Right now in this world is a body of people who believe in reincarnation yet I have seen not one scripture supporting that idea. Ah, but there is evidence to support it. Such confusion. The confusion will never be eliminated till people are ready to research with open minds rather than having their hackles stand on end when someone does not feed them echoes of mainstream Christianity.
Here is the cold hard facts on all those subjects, and indeed, I spent me life from birth to age twenty six in a church, so don't bother telling me I'm making this up. Just because I don't waste my time in a building does nt mean I have not read the bible. I read it, and that is why I know it stands in stark contrast to modern Christianity:
Electric guitars were invented before rock music ever came along by twenty years. Kent Bruymbaugh threw a fit, insulted me, called me a liar and banned me when I presented researched facts.
paganism, tarot cards, Ouija boards, homosexuality (see Sodom and Gamorrah) were all condemned in the bible.
And with regards to suicide, the bible states that there are two resurrections in the book of Revelation, one for those who are called now and one for those who have died over the centuries with no knowledge of truth. Go look it up. Modern Christianity twists and edits scripture so that it reads the way those who use it to their advantage can most affectively deceive. Think about it with pure logic: As I said, does it make any sense to judge the dead at death, send most of them to hell for eternity, then turn around and judge them again? Does it not contradict scripture? Ah, but unless we talk echoes and agree with modern teachings, we offend. I see.
I myself believe in a master engineer, but I also believe that human beings have invented modern religion. Modern Christianity is a powerful tool for profit and control. People are afraid to question, afraid to do research because to do so is considered blasphemy and disrespect. I am Goth and I was flat out told by Christians that people like me were burned centuries ago because God hates our kind and we are evil. And yet every accusation made toward me was false.
Suicide often happens because a miserably unhappy person seeks an end for their pain., Been there. As for hell, hell dopes not exist and if Christianity seeks to promote the idea of an eternal fire pit, then evidently the bible contradicts itself. The bible teaches that the unrepentant sinners, the hardcores are burned up completely and even their memory dies. Does that sound more in keeping with a God or does an eternity of mind blowing torture? Does it ever occur to anyone that changes have been made that are not biblical?
That's the problem today, so many will not question what they have been told. Right now in this world is a body of people who believe in reincarnation yet I have seen not one scripture supporting that idea. Ah, but there is evidence to support it. Such confusion. The confusion will never be eliminated till people are ready to research with open minds rather than having their hackles stand on end when someone does not feed them echoes of mainstream Christianity.
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I wont bother with this message board after this. I am really tired of the closed minds of modern Christians. Modern Christianity is a stir of echoes and nothing more. It has been taught a certain way and just like the church that I used to be in years back if you dare to question anything it shuts the conversation down. The bible also states that people have said "don't teach us truth, say to us lies and pretty things" and that is exactly the modern attitude. Don't question the preacher man. Well when I consider how many preacher men are corrupt to the bone and preach a double standard it makes me sick.
I got a few e mails from people and the moment we got into talking about what the bible actually said as opposed to what is taught these days, bye bye. I'm not interested in just swallowing what society teaches. The bible teaches one thing and modern Christianity teaches something else. Truth is scarce and few really want it. Answers are found in physical evidence in front of people, not from listening to people who do not under any circumstances ever question anything. Sorry, I seem to have offended some folks. I wonder which of us needs to question what they have been taught. I guess it isn't too important considering that the modern Christian world only bets their salvation on what they believe. Nothing important.
I got a few e mails from people and the moment we got into talking about what the bible actually said as opposed to what is taught these days, bye bye. I'm not interested in just swallowing what society teaches. The bible teaches one thing and modern Christianity teaches something else. Truth is scarce and few really want it. Answers are found in physical evidence in front of people, not from listening to people who do not under any circumstances ever question anything. Sorry, I seem to have offended some folks. I wonder which of us needs to question what they have been taught. I guess it isn't too important considering that the modern Christian world only bets their salvation on what they believe. Nothing important.
