IF Money is the ROOT of EVIL, Then Why Use It Seeing What It Does To People?

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joeyruready

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Is it a good thing nonetheless in doing away with money and thus alot of evil?

The idea is good but naïve. There is a reason Jesus said you will always have the poor with you. Evil comes from three places. It comes from within us. An evil person speaks out of the evil stored up within him. Deception also comes from within us. Do not merely listen to the word and so deceive yourselves do what it says. Then we are subject to wickedness from other people. We are also subject to wickedness from Satan himself.

There will always be people in this world who love evil rather than good. God has expressed to me that it is my job to love everyone. So I love those who rape children. I love those who are greedy. I love those who defile others. I especially love Satan. Make no mistake, I hate every evil perpetrated upon others particularly if it comes from me but I am not without sin. How then can I cast a stone? I can not. God has given me grace and mercy and forgiveness freely. I must also give these same things to others freely. this does not mean I think people should not be held accountable for their actions. We all should be held accountable for our actions.

I do not have to agree with anything you have said in order to love you or humble myself before you. I am not your lord but your servant. It is not my place to tell any person what to do. It is my place to love and serve others no matter what they do. If an evil person asks me to go a mile with them, I will go with them two. IF an evil person asks me to harm another person, I will not do it. There is a difference between walking or giving a coat and participating in wickedness.

There have been many people who tell me NOT to love them. In these cases, I prefer to obey God rather than men. I have no concern over evil. God has defeated evil. WE have this same victory in Christ. I trust God and HIs promises and I thank God for all things. Satan is completely defeated by love. The evil other people throw my way is also completely defeated by love. The evil that comes from within me is defeated by the cross of Christ. MY only concern is how can I best love each person God puts in front of me each day. I depend completely on God for that answer because I know enough to know I don't know.

I hear many people say their eyes are open. Well I believe God has opened my eyes. What I see though is different than others. What I see is that I am pitiful wretched poor blind and naked. What I see is my own pride before me like a vast wasteland of death. What I see is that I know I need God every moment. What I see is God providing for me everything I need to do His will. God is I AM WHO I AM. I am HIs.
 
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joeyruready said:
Is it a good thing nonetheless in doing away with money and thus alot of evil?

The idea is good but naïve. There is a reason Jesus said you will always have the poor with you. Evil comes from three places. It comes from within us. An evil person speaks out of the evil stored up within him. Deception also comes from within us. Do not merely listen to the word and so deceive yourselves do what it says. Then we are subject to wickedness from other people. We are also subject to wickedness from Satan himself.
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It maybe good and naïve, but it is the truth friend. I post all day long that we are all enemies of Christ if we do not demonstrate the faith that we claim to have. If we come out of this childish restraint holding us back as a people, the heavens will open to us all blessings beyond comprehension.

Whatever other "evil" you may see, let us deal with what is in our power to do so FIRST. There is no excuse by the things we see, and I see needless suffering in the name of profit.
 
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Money is a way that people exalt themselves.Even the antichrist although he will claim to be God and above all religions and gods and the world believes him,that is not good enough for him,but he will still possess vast treasures according to the book of Daniel.

Money is actually only needed in a selfish and arrogant world.That is why we need to have money because people are selfish and arrogant so we have to have the attitude everyone for them self.Money is needed because of the sinful nature of man and God knows this.

If people truly loved each other there would be no need of money like the early Church in Acts how they sold all they had and distributed to the poor so nobody lacked and shared all things.This is the way God would rather have it and God said He wants equality among the saints.

That is why we have to have money because people truly do not love each other in the world but want to exalt themselves above each other.In a world where people truly loved each other there would be no need of money and everybody would prosper.

Money is only needed in a selfish and arrogant world and we need money because of the sinful nature of man.
 
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If the kingdom is within us, and we are on earth, then it is here among us.
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There is confusion Brother we belong to God's kingdom and that is Heaven, in the spirit this flesh is not the kingdom our spirits if born again are.
John 18:36Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
John 14:2My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
John 14:3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
 
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joeyruready said:
IF Money is the ROOT of EVIL, Then Why Use It Seeing What It Does To People?

I have read through more than half of these posts. Some of you even quoting scripture and not seeing the fallacy of the question asked. MONEY IS NOT THE ROOT OF EVIL and no scripture tells us it is. What the scripture says is clear:

1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

The love of money(I consider this to mean greed) is A ROOT, NOT THE ROOT; A ROOT.

A Root of what then? ALL EVIL??? That's not what I read. I read A ROOT OF ALL KINDS OF EVIL. The word here is misread if you perceive all to mean "all evil" rather that the intended meaning of many kinds.

A better representation in English of the meaning here is that "Greed is a root of many kinds of evils." This absolutely true. The love of money(greed) is a root of many kinds of evils. But let me ask a question. Can a person be greedy without being proud? That answer is no. A person can not be greedy without having pride. If they were not proud they would not have any ability to be greedy. Pride is the root of greed. Greed is a root of many kinds of evil but Pride is the root of all evil. IT is written, before his downfall a mans heart is proud(not greedy). A man can be proud without being greedy. Any human being can think themselves better than others yet still be honest and fair in dealing with others. Pride without greed is possible yet greed is not possible without pride.

2 Chronicles 26:16 But after Uzziah became powerful, his pride led to his downfall.

Psalm 10:4 In his pride the wicked man does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God.

Proverbs 11:2 When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.

Proverbs 13:10 Where there is strife, there is pride, but wisdom is found in those who take advice.

Proverbs 14:3 A fool’s mouth lashes out with pride, but the lips of the wise protect them.

Proverbs 16:18 Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.

Isaiah 13:11 I will punish the world for its evil, the wicked for their sins. I will put an end to the arrogance of the haughty and will humble the pride of the ruthless.

I urge each of you to practice humility then God will indeed lift you up.
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Is not the root at the fall, man became flesh and his spirit became dead to life with God man's creator
Man became his own creator in need of life, and God through out the word has shown man his need for God
So man flesh is what I see in the way, needing new life in the Spirit of God leaving self God-hood of flesh dead and quit trying to create. Then become one with God by Faith in Christ the Son back at the cross where new life is given in the Spirit of God by the resurrection of christ
 
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There is confusion Brother we belong to God's kingdom and that is Heaven, in the spirit this flesh is not the kingdom our spirits if born again are. You were responding to this statement: "If the kingdom is within us, and we are on earth, then it is here among us."

I am not going to shanghai this post into a discussion or debate about the kingdom of God however feel free to message me privately or start another post on this topic. "the kingdom is within us" is a quote of Luke 17:21 here it is in parallel.

New International Version (©2011)
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst."
New Living Translation (©2007)
You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."
English Standard Version (©2001)
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
no one will say, 'Look here!' or 'There!' For you see, the kingdom of God is among you."
International Standard Version (©2012)
People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you."
NET Bible (©2006)
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
“Neither do they say, 'Behold, here it is!' and 'Behold, from here to there!', for behold, the Kingdom of God is within some of you.”
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
They can't say, 'Here it is!' or 'There it is!' You see, the kingdom of God is within you."
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.
American King James Version
Neither shall they say, See here! or, see there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
American Standard Version
neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For lo, the kingdom of God is within you.
Darby Bible Translation
nor shall they say, Lo here, or, Lo there; for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.
English Revised Version
neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.
Webster's Bible Translation
Neither will they say, Lo here! or lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Weymouth New Testament
Nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' --for the Kingdom of God is within you."
World English Bible
neither will they say, 'Look, here!' or, 'Look, there!' for behold, the Kingdom of God is within you."Young's Literal Translation
nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.'
 
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mpaper345 said:
Money is a way that people exalt themselves.Even the antichrist although he will claim to be God and above all religions and gods and the world believes him,that is not good enough for him,but he will still possess vast treasures according to the book of Daniel.

Money is actually only needed in a selfish and arrogant world.That is why we need to have money because people are selfish and arrogant so we have to have the attitude everyone for them self.Money is needed because of the sinful nature of man and God knows this.

If people truly loved each other there would be no need of money like the early Church in Acts how they sold all they had and distributed to the poor so nobody lacked and shared all things.This is the way God would rather have it and God said He wants equality among the saints.

That is why we have to have money because people truly do not love each other in the world but want to exalt themselves above each other.In a world where people truly loved each other there would be no need of money and everybody would prosper.

Money is only needed in a selfish and arrogant world and we need money because of the sinful nature of man.
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Christian leaders sit in the seat of Moses. If they but lead, the people will follow.
 
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joeyruready said:
There is confusion Brother we belong to God's kingdom and that is Heaven, in the spirit this flesh is not the kingdom our spirits if born again are. You were responding to this statement: "If the kingdom is within us, and we are on earth, then it is here among us."

I am not going to shanghai this post into a discussion or debate about the kingdom of God however feel free to message me privately or start another post on this topic. "the kingdom is within us" is a quote of Luke 17:21 here it is in parallel.

New International Version (©2011)
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is in your midst."
New Living Translation (©2007)
You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."
English Standard Version (©2001)
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
no one will say, 'Look here!' or 'There!' For you see, the kingdom of God is among you."
International Standard Version (©2012)
People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you."
NET Bible (©2006)
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or 'There!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst."
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
“Neither do they say, 'Behold, here it is!' and 'Behold, from here to there!', for behold, the Kingdom of God is within some of you.”
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
They can't say, 'Here it is!' or 'There it is!' You see, the kingdom of God is within you."
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.
American King James Version
Neither shall they say, See here! or, see there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
American Standard Version
neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.
Douay-Rheims Bible
Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For lo, the kingdom of God is within you.
Darby Bible Translation
nor shall they say, Lo here, or, Lo there; for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.
English Revised Version
neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.
Webster's Bible Translation
Neither will they say, Lo here! or lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Weymouth New Testament
Nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' --for the Kingdom of God is within you."
World English Bible
neither will they say, 'Look, here!' or, 'Look, there!' for behold, the Kingdom of God is within you."Young's Literal Translation
nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.'
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There is no debate, the kingdom is within us. Get rid of money and the world will realise this.
 
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homwardbound said:
There is confusion Brother we belong to God's kingdom and that is Heaven, in the spirit this flesh is not the kingdom our spirits if born again are.
John 18:36Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
John 14:2My Father’s house has many rooms; if that were not so, would I have told you that I am going there to prepare a place for you?
John 14:3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am.
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What I propose is not of this world. All our lives we've lived this way.
 
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Acts 4:29-35

[SUP]29[/SUP]And now, Lord, behold their threatenings: and grant unto thy servants, that with all boldness they may speak thy word,
[SUP]30 [/SUP]By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
 
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And the Lord said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows
 
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
 
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
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So what is it you want from me and or the lot here?
 
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justamazed said:
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
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And who is it you are Judging exactly, the people here that do not see it thew way you are trying so hard to promote, Shame on you then
 
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justamazed said:
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
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You have no clue here what anyone else does or is doing in their beleif of God
Waht about the reality what Christ that we will always have waht, the poor amongst us, and for centuries man has tried to stop this through charities and so on and so forth and you want to take this truth away, that we will always have the poor amongst us
And this is because man won't stop his lust. Stop the sex and you might stop the problem. The slefishness of wanting sex with a reprobate mind is the cause behind the world hunger.
 
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homwardbound said:
And who is it you are Judging exactly, the people here that do not see it thew way you are trying so hard to promote, Shame on you then
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If you, me or whomever fits this description then I am indeed judging it for what it is. We are a pitiful people.
 
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justamazed said:
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Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
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Is this your fault or even God's fault that man just want to have sex and does not count the cost even to raping others and causing this problem HMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am sad over this and hope for man to change his mind by beleif and get his miind renewed from flesh thought to Spirit Thoughts of God's vantage point getting married to God and forsaking dead flesh. I can't do anything about this that is going on, but tell me this are you taking donations for this and trying to stop this. And if you are then you are accepting money in some fashion and or form to deliver food to.
So what is it you actually want lets quit beating around the bush and come forth with what you want from me and or the people here at CC
 
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