If Noah's Ark is a true story...

[Bowman]

"Almost" is not "completely". Your argument is not with me, but with those who claim water covered everything at the same time.

There was no need to flood the globe when mankind only occupied the Mesopotamian plain.

 

[terminator]

The flood story is based on the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh. Just more evidence that the Bible uses stories
passed down as hearsay from other ancient civilizations.

 

[terminator]

Terminator, the picture that you posted comparing Noah's Ark with the Titanic can be found on

The Militant Atheist: Noah's Ark and Flood

So my question is now: Why are you here?

To hear all the excuses against contrary evidence.

And the picture I posted is all over the internet. What makes you think I got it from an atheist source?
I could still be a believe in God yet realize that the biblical flood account is mathematically impossible.
[video=youtube;5svTzxVa-xQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5svTzxVa-xQ[/video]

 

[Tintin]

The flood story is based on the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh. Just more evidence that the Bible uses stories
passed down as hearsay from other ancient civilizations.

Other way around, dude. Pagan myths all lead back to the one True Myth. Some are just more imaginative than others and less close to God's Truth.

 

[terminator]

CSE 102 Class 4 ''Topic Noah's Ark'' - YouTube

Dr. Kent Hovind is an amazing man of god with a vast knowledge of science.

the local flood theory is a farce and easily refutable, god hates sin so much he destroyed the whole world.

Is that guy still in prison? And he is as much of a doctor as Dr. Pepper is. He got his degree from a diploma mill.
Kent Hovind's doctoral dissertation - RationalWiki

 

[terminator]

Other way around, dude. Pagan myths all lead back to the one True Myth. Some are just more imaginative than others and less close to God's Truth.

True Myth? LOL that sounds like an oxymoron don't you think? A little ironic as well...

Anyway, you must provide a source other than parroting what your preacher told you.

The sumerian epic dates earlier but I will let you try to find the evidence to back up
your statement.

 

[terminator]

Here's a question for the non believers. If Noah's ark was excavated and proof was provided that in fact a flood covered the earth would you believe that God had anything to do with it? There was an outline on a mountain in Turkey of an ark shape with the proper dimensions. They did some xray like testing and found it had compartments around the inside of the shell. Before they could do more testing the government kicked them out. I have been told that the oil and the fossils could be explained by a sudden covering of vegetation and animals. If people and animals have existed so long where is everyone? There should be billions more people if we started reproducing even ten thousand years ago. The sun would have been too intense a million years ago for life on this planet. It looses a little heat every day. The moon gets a little further from the earth every year. I saw a program that claims the earth must have ejected the moon 2 billion years ago. You think we are grasping straws? People see pictures of the succession of cavemen to modern man and figure wow that looks probable. However there is no missing links found other than in artwork. The closest anyone can find was a couple of bone fragments then drew in the rest. All of the dating methods have been PROOVED inaccurate. Instead of trying to convince Christians they are wrong spend a little more time proving yourselves right because we don't have the monopoly on faith.

Yet, you have no problem accepting a rib made a woman? That seems probable?

And how inaccurate are these dating methods? Do you know what they are and how they work
or are you spouting off something that you heard from other misinformed people?

You have provided no links or sources for your claims so I will start. I hope you take a
good long read and educate yourself. Nothing wrong with that right?
Problems with a Global Flood, 2nd edition

 

[terminator]

Well, i can tell you'll be banned soon. You aren't here to learn, you're here to prove yourself right.

Nice ad hominem attack.
Ad hominem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Bowman]

The flood story is based on the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh. Just more evidence that the Bible uses stories
passed down as hearsay from other ancient civilizations.

The original story is Bible-based.

If you study Gilgamesh, you will quickly discover that the vessel described was NOT sea-worthy, and the characters involved, fictional.

 

[Tintin]

True Myth? LOL that sounds like an oxymoron don't you think? A little ironic as well...

Anyway, you must provide a source other than parroting what your preacher told you.

The sumerian epic dates earlier but I will let you try to find the evidence to back up
your statement.

Someone hasn't read Tolkien. Truth Myth is something that has supernatural elements to it but is true. Have you read Gilgamesh? It's pretty crazy, Genesis account of the Flood is far more believable.

By the way, I don't parrot what my pastor teaches. I listen, study for myself, using the Bible and many other resources. I think critically about these things and discuss them with others. So please don't insult me. You're never going to understand
what I believe is God's Truth unless you too believe it to be True.

 

[777Yeshua777]

The dimensions of the ark give a vessel that would be just under 1.5 million cubic feet. Most animals are not the size of elephants. In fact, most species are rather small. Many reptiles and amphibians are smaller than a lunch box. The aquatic nature of some of them may have precluded the necessity of them being aboard. In the absence of dining halls, private rooms and a massive propulsion system, it is quite feasible that all could have benne on the ark with ample room for storage of supplies.

 

[terminator]

The original story is Bible-based.

If you study Gilgamesh, you will quickly discover that the vessel described was NOT sea-worthy, and the characters involved, fictional.

Source please?

 

[terminator]

Someone hasn't read Tolkien. Truth Myth is something that has supernatural elements to it but is true. Have you read Gilgamesh? It's pretty crazy, Genesis account of the Flood is far more believable.

By the way, I don't parrot what my pastor teaches. I listen, study for myself, using the Bible and many other resources. I think critically about these things and discuss them with others. So please don't insult me. You're never going to understand
what I believe is God's Truth unless you too believe it to be True.

I don't care what's more believable I care about what's true. You still didn't provide the info that
proves the other flood stories are based on the Bible. If there was a worldwide flood why didn't
the Chinese record it? They invented writing for crying out loud!

 

[jimmydiggs]

The flood story is based on the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh. Just more evidence that the Bible uses stories
passed down as hearsay from other ancient civilizations.

How do you know that?

 

[stek]

I could still be a believe in God yet realize that the biblical flood account is mathematically impossible.

No. You may believe in a god but not the true God. If God can create the universe, He can manipulate physics for his purpose. To deny any mircale, to limit God's power and Authority is to deny God.

Sorry body, but to say that the Bible uses stories passed down as hearsay from other ancient civilizations is to deny that the scriptures are not the inspired word of God and I personally find it hard to believe that any one who denies God's power or word beleives in God.

 

[Bowman]

The onus is on you...

Source please?

A simple side-by-side comparison is all you need....unless, of course, you are unwilling to make the study yourself...and would rather google an answer...

 

[kenisyes]

There was no need to flood the globe when mankind only occupied the Mesopotamian plain.

It simply is not true that mankind only occupied the Mesopotamian plain. People were all over the world. I repeat, everybody has a flood legend. Some of them, like Chinese and Mayan, have a point of view in them that is different from that of the Bible and Gilgamesh, and only make sense when you figure in coninental drift, time zones, etc.

 

[terminator]

How do you know that?

There's a good series entitled the Bible's Buried Secrets which you might find interesting.

The similarities between the creation story and other myths, the parallels between
Jesus and other worshipped figures are well documented.

What first led me to become skeptical was the movie Zeitgeist. Now I realize that
a lot of it is not scholarly accurate but it does point out that there are too many
similarities to ignore.

There's a video on youtube entitled "A History of God" by user Evid3nc3 explains
a lot.

 

[Bowman]

It simply is not true that mankind only occupied the Mesopotamian plain. People were all over the world. I repeat, everybody has a flood legend. Some of them, like Chinese and Mayan, have a point of view in them that is different from that of the Bible and Gilgamesh, and only make sense when you figure in coninental drift, time zones, etc.

If you believe the Genesis narrative, then the flood only needed to be local to achieve its intended objective.

Humanity only occupied the Mesopotamian plain as evidenced by the place-names mentioned in Genesis – ALL local.

Remember…humanity was not heeding God’s command to multiply and ‘fill the Earth’, that is why He had to intervene at Babel – separating the races and languages – it was only then that humanity had no choice but to set-off across the globe.

Again, Genesis records the flood event as occurring BEFORE the Babel event, thus we would predict that ‘partial preservation’ of a flood story to reach across the globe, as this ONE event occurred to their ancestors in the Mesopotamian plain.

 

[kenisyes]

When God wrote the Bible, He chose what details He was going to leave in. Just because no one is mentioned as going beyond the Mesopotamian area, does not mean it didn't happen, and God did not put those details in. He does say that He is going to target everything he made.

I thought He intervened at Babel to keep humans from doing whatever they thought of to do, not to make them fill the earth. That's what Gen 11:6 says. Verse 2 says they were in fact migrating when they came to Shinar.

You also need to allow for details in the narrative that are different from country to country. Like the Chinese reporting a 10 day night, while Noah had daylight. Or the Mayans reporting a rain of resin. Or Plato reporting settlement of Atlantis before the flood, and the Atlantis world aggression mimicked in the Hindu Vedas. These details only make sense to be added by people who had lived through such events. And the pre-Egyptian heiroglyphs in copper mines in Michigan, and tons of copper missing from the continent, again confirming Plato's story. The Mayans saying the giants became monkeys after the flood. People had to be in those places to see things from this different point of view. All point to stories of worldwide population spread, that God simply left out of the narrative, as not germane to His relationship with us.