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Actually, the opposite is true. It has got totally to do with what God's word says, since we're on here debating that very thing - with differing perspectives. The only benchmark I've seen you use for an interpretation's validity, however, is popular consensus.
Herds stick in the herd and the wide path leads off the cliff.
Herds stick in the herd and the wide path leads off the cliff.
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I doubt they were asked 'were you christian'. Jesus wasn't christian.
If someone asked me 'are you christian', I'd say no. Belif in Jesus doesn't require christianity per se. If I were asked 'do you believe Jesus' I'd say 'yes, I do'. If I were asked 'do you think Jesus is the messiah', I'd say, 'yes I do'.
That doesn't make me christian. No more than it makes the thousands of denominations and varying belief systems with different prerequesites and must-haves 'christian'.
What is christianity, Crossnote? Because to you, and the man down the street, it's probably two very different things.
If someone asked me 'are you christian', I'd say no. Belif in Jesus doesn't require christianity per se. If I were asked 'do you believe Jesus' I'd say 'yes, I do'. If I were asked 'do you think Jesus is the messiah', I'd say, 'yes I do'.
That doesn't make me christian. No more than it makes the thousands of denominations and varying belief systems with different prerequesites and must-haves 'christian'.
What is christianity, Crossnote? Because to you, and the man down the street, it's probably two very different things.
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To you, because you're blind to the fact that thousands of different sects exist and my interpretations of the new testament are just as valid to some 'christians' as they are invalid to you.
YOUR new testament is not THE new testament.
Granted, neither, necessarily, is mine, but I at least understand how other views can and do exist.
YOUR new testament is not THE new testament.
Granted, neither, necessarily, is mine, but I at least understand how other views can and do exist.
What I find more disturbing is how people think truth is synonymous with popular consensus, or how people use religious labels as a means to somehow apply validity to statements like 'I call myself a modernist so I must be really good at chemistry', label anything that isn't the same as their reasoning 'fallacious reasoning' and disregard anything outside their narrow faith bracket as heretical and false. To add insult the same people logicize that the person outside their club mustn't have gotten their convictions from the books, mantras and instructions they're based on.
Denominationalism at it's sparkling best.
Crossnote, forget the labels for five minutes.
What did Jesus ask of us? In his own words. Not the apostles', not the ministers', not the catholics', the protestants', the Quakers' or the Jehovah's Witnesses', the Jews' or the Magi'. What did Jesus ask of us, in his words?
Did he say 'be christian'? Or 'love thy nieghbour'?
Denominationalism at it's sparkling best.
Crossnote, forget the labels for five minutes.
What did Jesus ask of us? In his own words. Not the apostles', not the ministers', not the catholics', the protestants', the Quakers' or the Jehovah's Witnesses', the Jews' or the Magi'. What did Jesus ask of us, in his words?
Did he say 'be christian'? Or 'love thy nieghbour'?
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Which Jesus are you referring to? The one in Scripture? The only way we know what He said is by what the Apostles and others wrote of Him. He did not leave writings of His own.
It may come as a surprise to you but words themselves are 'labels' including the inspired words of Scripture. So toss out labels if you dare go to Eastern mysticism but for me...I'll stick with the labels and would like to get back to the topic of the OP.
It may come as a surprise to you but words themselves are 'labels' including the inspired words of Scripture. So toss out labels if you dare go to Eastern mysticism but for me...I'll stick with the labels and would like to get back to the topic of the OP.
Obviously it would be to insult your intelligence to say that the apostles commented on Jesus' words, and also quoted him directly, and therein lies the difference, just like it would be to insult mine to assume that I don't know that the records of Jesus in the canon are written by the apostles. You already knew that, but for some reason you decided to dodge the question for some pointlessly hard-headed response.
Also, in context, I'd imagine you'd have the intelligence to realize that by 'labels' I meant 'christianity', and by throwing them out I meant 'for five minutes, forget that I don't take the label ''christian'' and ask yourself, what did Jesus ask of us in his own words? To be christian, or love thy neighbour?
It's really a quite simple premise - belief in Jesus doesn't need to be under a heading.
that is to say, to your previous posts, that a person calling themselves 'christian' doesn't automatically speak words more valid than someone who isn't.
That relates to beforehand when you tried to assert my label as proof that what I say is heretical or that I'm some devil-lover - whatever it was you were asserting; certainly nothing positive.
Also, in context, I'd imagine you'd have the intelligence to realize that by 'labels' I meant 'christianity', and by throwing them out I meant 'for five minutes, forget that I don't take the label ''christian'' and ask yourself, what did Jesus ask of us in his own words? To be christian, or love thy neighbour?
It's really a quite simple premise - belief in Jesus doesn't need to be under a heading.
that is to say, to your previous posts, that a person calling themselves 'christian' doesn't automatically speak words more valid than someone who isn't.
That relates to beforehand when you tried to assert my label as proof that what I say is heretical or that I'm some devil-lover - whatever it was you were asserting; certainly nothing positive.
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Right, and is that the pre-requisite for all types of christianity or just yours? Where did Jesus say 'be a christian' and where did Jesus say 'you must be sealed by the holy spirit'? How many 'christians' cite this as their view of christianity and what it is?
And what is 'being sealed by the holy spirit', because to me that just sounds like more denominational dogma that doesn't really have any meaning unless you're part of the same denomination as the person saying it.
And what about the opinions of those christians who don't think Jesus gives salvation, but that it's God who gives it and Jesus who simply sacrificed himself? What about that paragraph in hebrews that says Jesus has no power to save, only God does? That Jesus never wanted to be the high priest and was only given the honour by God, whom he cried to?
What about them? They base their ideals on the bible - are they christian too?
And what is 'being sealed by the holy spirit', because to me that just sounds like more denominational dogma that doesn't really have any meaning unless you're part of the same denomination as the person saying it.
And what about the opinions of those christians who don't think Jesus gives salvation, but that it's God who gives it and Jesus who simply sacrificed himself? What about that paragraph in hebrews that says Jesus has no power to save, only God does? That Jesus never wanted to be the high priest and was only given the honour by God, whom he cried to?
What about them? They base their ideals on the bible - are they christian too?
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There are only two (2) types of people in the world . . .
. . . those with and those without.
God Bless
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. [SUP]12 [/SUP]He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
- I John 5:11-12
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. . . those with and those without.
God Bless
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. [SUP]12 [/SUP]He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
- I John 5:11-12
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But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
(Joh 5:17-18)
I guess some will say "Aww, the Jews were mistaken"...
(but notice, the Jews didn't say that, that was John's commentary on the incident.)
Or others will say, 'Well he may be equal with God, but that doesn't make him God"
(now that's stellar!)
(Joh 5:17-18)
I guess some will say "Aww, the Jews were mistaken"...
(but notice, the Jews didn't say that, that was John's commentary on the incident.)
Or others will say, 'Well he may be equal with God, but that doesn't make him God"
(now that's stellar!)
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