Is Jimmy Swaggart's "Message Of The Cross" Biblical?
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oh my...bringing out the BIG Pentecostal guns now are we?
the Bible also says to judge yourself so no one else has to...which Jimmy did not do...he was c a u g h t ...found out...your sin will find you out
Swaggart is old time Pentecostal. and the way you quoted that verse, just dovetails so nicely with that teaching
you know, you are obviously a Swaggarite...if I may use the phrase
I guess he could do just about anything and the faithful would still depend on him to bring them Jesus on the cross instead of the resurrected LORD Jesus who could deliver from sin and create a clean heart that is not deceitful and hides its own sin by pointing out everyone elses
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do you think that applies to those who are believers?
huh? do you?
pretty sure that believers already believe that Jesus gave up His life but He did not stay on the cross
He came to give us new life
He came to give us victory over death and over our sins
get past the cross...we believe...but there is life after death
huh? do you?
pretty sure that believers already believe that Jesus gave up His life but He did not stay on the cross
He came to give us new life
He came to give us victory over death and over our sins
get past the cross...we believe...but there is life after death
The message of the cross, as found in the scripture, is scripture.
The "message of the cross", as a name given to a special revelation claimed by Jimmy Swaggart, isn't necessarily scripture... that's what this thread is debating.
Therefore, please give us full disclosure.
Are you part of the swaggart family, or do you work for a swaggart ministry?
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excuse me, but you are being just silly now
I am not Pentecostal, he was never my pastor and what is in question now, actually, is the special revelation he had
any other slams you can find that you have been taught to apply to people who question the revelation?
basically, what you are doing is quoting that good ole 'touch not mine anointed' that is misquoted and used to hush anyone who dares to ask anything
been there. done that.
Let me clarify my position.
1. I only posted in this thread to make a joke about your name, and to give you a bit of a hard time, in fun, for supporting Swaggart.
2. Prior to that, I haven't been posting in this thread because I'm not interested in it; I'm not interested in whatever Swaggart claims as a special revelation.
3. I'm also not interested in parsing through exactly what he says which I AGREE with, and exactly what he says which I DISAGREE with... I'm just not interested.
4. I really have no interest in discussing anything about Swaggart because frankly I just find it impossible to take him seriously.
5. If YOU take him seriously, then that's between you and God, and I'm sure plenty of people will be happy to debate you... but I'm just not interested.
6. Final thought:
Why would I even want to debate the theological atonement views of a guy I consider a total con man?
I don't care what his views are.
Maybe some of his views are ok.
I have no idea.
I'm not interested.
I don't study the works of con men for my theology.
So whether he says something correct or incorrect... I'm just not interested.
If you like him, well that's your choice.
Your choice in theologians is up to you... but don't expect me to be interested.
I only came in here to tease you a bit, in good fun.
Take Care,
Max
1. I only posted in this thread to make a joke about your name, and to give you a bit of a hard time, in fun, for supporting Swaggart.
2. Prior to that, I haven't been posting in this thread because I'm not interested in it; I'm not interested in whatever Swaggart claims as a special revelation.
3. I'm also not interested in parsing through exactly what he says which I AGREE with, and exactly what he says which I DISAGREE with... I'm just not interested.
4. I really have no interest in discussing anything about Swaggart because frankly I just find it impossible to take him seriously.
5. If YOU take him seriously, then that's between you and God, and I'm sure plenty of people will be happy to debate you... but I'm just not interested.
6. Final thought:
Why would I even want to debate the theological atonement views of a guy I consider a total con man?
I don't care what his views are.
Maybe some of his views are ok.
I have no idea.
I'm not interested.
I don't study the works of con men for my theology.
So whether he says something correct or incorrect... I'm just not interested.
If you like him, well that's your choice.
Your choice in theologians is up to you... but don't expect me to be interested.
I only came in here to tease you a bit, in good fun.
Take Care,
Max
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I have read enough of Swaggart's interpretation of these scriptures to state you are now simply preaching from his site or have really got that word memorized
you know, many many people overcome sin because they actually understand how to renew their mind...with the word of God...and they understand that we are to stand on the word and the devil will flee
however, Swaggart has made a big personal doctrine because of his own situation. and, he has somehow got the idea it is a big revelation when really, he finally got around to submitting to Christ instead of his own flesh
From what little I know about Swaggart, he made a mess for himself, so there is no point discussing what he did or did not do. But if he teaches that believers are to place their faith EXCLUSIVELY in the Cross of Christ, that is false doctrine.
1. Our faith must be in THE PERSON of the Lord Jesus Christ, not the Roman instrument for His death.
2. Then our faith must be in THE FINISHED work of Christ, which includes His death, burial, and resurrection, and the supernatural power of the blood which He shed for our redemption.
3. Then our faith must be in the POWER of the living Savior who is now our great Advocate, Intercessor, and High Priest in Heaven. Without the living Savior the Cross would be of no effect.
4. Then our faith must be in the POWER of the indwelling Holy Spirit, who enables believers to be overcomes and does not allow the flesh to have dominion over them.
5. Then our faith must be in POWER of THE LIVING WORD of God, since we are all to experience "the washing of the water by the Word.
As anyone can see, excluding all these other spiritual things and saying that our faith must be EXCLUSIVELY in the Cross is unbiblical and false doctrine.
1. Our faith must be in THE PERSON of the Lord Jesus Christ, not the Roman instrument for His death.
2. Then our faith must be in THE FINISHED work of Christ, which includes His death, burial, and resurrection, and the supernatural power of the blood which He shed for our redemption.
3. Then our faith must be in the POWER of the living Savior who is now our great Advocate, Intercessor, and High Priest in Heaven. Without the living Savior the Cross would be of no effect.
4. Then our faith must be in the POWER of the indwelling Holy Spirit, who enables believers to be overcomes and does not allow the flesh to have dominion over them.
5. Then our faith must be in POWER of THE LIVING WORD of God, since we are all to experience "the washing of the water by the Word.
As anyone can see, excluding all these other spiritual things and saying that our faith must be EXCLUSIVELY in the Cross is unbiblical and false doctrine.
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LOL! The Cross of Christ means what Jesus accomplished on the Cross of Calvary, i.e., The Finished Work, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, i.e., Who Jesus is and what Jesus has done. Don't make a law by making a list. All of those things are included. Don't call something false doctrine because you don't understand. That is why Paul said, " For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For it is written:
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.
What is the "Law of Faith?" It is the way God works. And what is that way? It is Jesus Christ and Him crucified. That way is the Cross! Whatsoever is not of Faith is sin. Never forsake the Cross! Our faith must be exclusively in Christ and the Cross, i.e., finished work of Christ - The Blood of Jesus
1. Jesus Christ is the source of all blessings.
2. The Cross is the means by which all blessings are given.
3. The object of our faith must be Christ and the Cross.
4. That being done, the Holy Spirit will greatly help us.
The Cross of Christ must be exclusively forever be the object of the Christian faith (i.e., finished work of Christ - The Blood of Jesus). That's the reason our Lord said we must take up the Cross daily (Luke 9:23). To take up the Cross and follow Christ means that we are to place our faith totally in Christ and what Christ did at the Cross and leave it there. If we choose to ignore God's way, the intrusion of human wisdom (mans point of view), and worldliness enters your life and home. In other words the Cross of Christ is demoted and human wisdom is elevated. When this takes place, the Cross of Christ (The Power Of God) is immediately voided and cancelled out of a Christians life that works in them. Paul says that God intentionally, on purpose, rejects the wisdom of this world and makes foolish. He disrupts, frustrates, confuse any attempts of anyone knowing independently of His way and makes sure it doesn't work. God has made it abundantly clear that He is going to show you who the fool is...and He says, "it won't be Me!" When the wisdom of God has the final say, it can be appealed to for power. Why? Because the Cross of Christ exist to deal with sin. If there is a problem, there is a sin. It could be your sin, somebody else's sin, or both of your sins. The reason why the world can't fix its problems, is because they don't want to take serious and deal with it sins. Therefore things are voided. This is why prayers aren't being answered...they are voided.
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.
What is the "Law of Faith?" It is the way God works. And what is that way? It is Jesus Christ and Him crucified. That way is the Cross! Whatsoever is not of Faith is sin. Never forsake the Cross! Our faith must be exclusively in Christ and the Cross, i.e., finished work of Christ - The Blood of Jesus
1. Jesus Christ is the source of all blessings.
2. The Cross is the means by which all blessings are given.
3. The object of our faith must be Christ and the Cross.
4. That being done, the Holy Spirit will greatly help us.
The Cross of Christ must be exclusively forever be the object of the Christian faith (i.e., finished work of Christ - The Blood of Jesus). That's the reason our Lord said we must take up the Cross daily (Luke 9:23). To take up the Cross and follow Christ means that we are to place our faith totally in Christ and what Christ did at the Cross and leave it there. If we choose to ignore God's way, the intrusion of human wisdom (mans point of view), and worldliness enters your life and home. In other words the Cross of Christ is demoted and human wisdom is elevated. When this takes place, the Cross of Christ (The Power Of God) is immediately voided and cancelled out of a Christians life that works in them. Paul says that God intentionally, on purpose, rejects the wisdom of this world and makes foolish. He disrupts, frustrates, confuse any attempts of anyone knowing independently of His way and makes sure it doesn't work. God has made it abundantly clear that He is going to show you who the fool is...and He says, "it won't be Me!" When the wisdom of God has the final say, it can be appealed to for power. Why? Because the Cross of Christ exist to deal with sin. If there is a problem, there is a sin. It could be your sin, somebody else's sin, or both of your sins. The reason why the world can't fix its problems, is because they don't want to take serious and deal with it sins. Therefore things are voided. This is why prayers aren't being answered...they are voided.