Is sin a rejection of Christ?

[PeterJens]

If we rebel and refuse to follow Christ, do evil and reject His word, is this rejection of Jesus?

Some like to say we are saved so have accepted Christ and are safe forever.
If they sin, this has already been forgiven so is irrelevant to salvation and Christ.

But Jesus came and died so that we can walk righteously, in love and truth.

It is stated we have this promise by faith in Christ, and is not dependent on our behaviour
but on what Christ did on the cross.

The argument goes if we loose our faith, we are still ok because Christ is faithful to us.
If we walk in sin that is ok because it is already forgiven.

The problem is simple. We gain salvation because of our living faith in Christ and our
commitment to walk in His ways, obeying Him.

To reject Christ is to reject this walk and who He is.

So if we sin, we are rejecting Christ and what He is offering, because though the door
is open, and He is there willing to empower us, we are saying no, I would rather walk in
evil and go my own way.

So in the battle for our souls, let us remember Christ has brought love and the cross,
so always go to Him for blessing and strength, and you will rise up like eagles, you run
and not grow weary, you will walk and not faint.

So I call to you, believe the cross, repent and bring your issues to Him, who is willing
to forgive and work with you through them. It costs but is easy, this is the way
to life. Bow the knee and accept His forgiveness.

Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall;
but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.
Isaih 40:30-31

May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Rom 15:13

Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
Eph 3:20-21

But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:57

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Did you ever break any of your parents rules as a child?
Does that mean you have now rejected them and that you are no longer their child?

 

[PeterJens]

Did you ever break any of your parents rules as a child?
Does that mean you have now rejected them and that you are no longer their child?

Breaking the rules is the problem, and shows the intention.
But getting right about it, restores the relationship.

Are you saying one should not restore the relationship, just accept there is a problem
and leave it like that.

This is why judgement is coming and why Jesus is the good news, to remove the guilt
and shame of sin, and help us walk in His ways.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

Breaking the rules is the problem, and shows the intention.
But getting right about it, restores the relationship.

Are you saying one should not restore the relationship, just accept there is a problem
and leave it like that.

This is why judgement is coming and why Jesus is the good news, to remove the guilt
and shame of sin, and help us walk in His ways.

I am not saying we should wilfully go on sinning, but YOU are the one saying we are rejecting God when we sin.
If your children disobey the rules, do you say "You are not my child again until you kneel down and beg forgiveness"?

 

[Ariel82]

The problem is simple. We gain salvation because of our living faith in Christ and our
commitment to walk in His ways, obeying Him.

I guess the problem is simple....

That's not how you "gain salvation"

Salvation is a gift. God grace creates in the heart of man a huble soul able to receive and believe the gospel. The Gospel is faith in Christ finished work upon the Cross alone for the remission of sins.

After verbal confession from a believing heart, God sends His Holy Spirit to tell our hearts we are His children and teach us how to walk in His ways.

No Holy Spirit, no salvation.

Holy Spirit = walking in God's ways and assurance that you are a child of God.

Some people don't have the Holy Spirit guiding them. They only have the Law telling them what is right and wrong, because they never truly put their faith in the Gospel: salvation is by faith in Christ alone.

They don't trust the power of God to save them, but feel that they must help and do good works or they will lose their salvation.

However I ask, are you sure you ever received it to begin with? Is your foundation Christ alone? Do you have the Holy Spirit testifying that you are Truly God's child?

 

[Yonah]

The first thing we must do is realize that when we willingly and knowingly choose sin, at that moment we are rejecting the Savior, why? because he has shown us what it right and good in His sight.
If we do sin knowingly and truly repent (turn away from it not just be sorry for it) then we are restored because we are no longer in rebellion. If we serve sin we are its slaves.(Rom.6:16)if we serve our Savior, walking in the strength he gives us to do so, not only do we become servants to His kingdom, we refuse to serve the kingdom of darkness through making provision for the flesh.
Each of us much choose, whether we believe this or not, or how many well meaning (but misguided) pastors or teachers say different , it doesn't change the reality that either we serve sin... or we serve Him, there is no in between.

 

[PeterJens]

However I ask, are you sure you ever received it to begin with? Is your foundation Christ alone? Do you have the Holy Spirit testifying that you are Truly God's child?

Ariel - Interesting question. Paul said we should test ourselves.
If love bounces back, faith, obedience to Christ and rejoicing in Him, Amen we have the Holy Spirit.
You cannot do this without the Holy Spirit, it is what alone the Holy Spirit brings to our hearts.

I would ask anyone who does not respond like this to Christ and the cross, what are they
trusting in? Do they know transformation and spiritual rebirth?

Is their security in theology rather than in a loving relationship with God?

Too many have assurance but total compromise and defeat, like there is nothing moral about
Jesus or any obligations upon their lives. However they are living, God only sees Jesus.
The Jesus righteousness spray that blinds God to on going sin in peoples lives.

 

[Grandpa]

1 John 1:7-10
[FONT=&quot]7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.[/FONT]

 

[psalm6819]

Amen, Grampa.

We fall but His mercy and the sacrifice of Jesus are available for those humble enough to ask.

We need a Savior and need to acknowledge it

 

[Muzungu256]

sin can bring judgment in your life this is true but also the Lord doesnt forsake forever mercy triumphs over judgment and where sin has come overwhelming grace has become even greater so is there a possible judgment yes but there is also mercy triumphing after that judgment glory to God

 

[Ariel82]

Ariel - Interesting question. Paul said we should test ourselves.
If love bounces back, faith, obedience to Christ and rejoicing in Him, Amen we have the Holy Spirit.
You cannot do this without the Holy Spirit, it is what alone the Holy Spirit brings to our hearts.

I would ask anyone who does not respond like this to Christ and the cross, what are they
trusting in? Do they know transformation and spiritual rebirth?

Is their security in theology rather than in a loving relationship with God?

Too many have assurance but total compromise and defeat, like there is nothing moral about
Jesus or any obligations upon their lives. However they are living, God only sees Jesus.
The Jesus righteousness spray that blinds God to on going sin in peoples lives.

God convicts and chastens All His children. If He doesn't show what needs to be changed (both negative in the sins we need to stop and repent of and positive in the good works He would have us do for His Glory) so that we can clearly shine God's light into the world, then we are not truly His children at all, but just have a false assurance of salvation.

 

[resurrection33]

If we rebel and refuse to follow Christ, do evil and reject His word, is this rejection of Jesus?

Some like to say we are saved so have accepted Christ and are safe forever.
If they sin, this has already been forgiven so is irrelevant to salvation and Christ.

But Jesus came and died so that we can walk righteously, in love and truth.

It is stated we have this promise by faith in Christ, and is not dependent on our behaviour
but on what Christ did on the cross.

The argument goes if we loose our faith, we are still ok because Christ is faithful to us.
If we walk in sin that is ok because it is already forgiven.

The problem is simple. We gain salvation because of our living faith in Christ and our
commitment to walk in His ways, obeying Him.

To reject Christ is to reject this walk and who He is.

So if we sin, we are rejecting Christ and what He is offering, because though the door
is open, and He is there willing to empower us, we are saying no, I would rather walk in
evil and go my own way.

So in the battle for our souls, let us remember Christ has brought love and the cross,
so always go to Him for blessing and strength, and you will rise up like eagles, you run
and not grow weary, you will walk and not faint.

So I call to you, believe the cross, repent and bring your issues to Him, who is willing
to forgive and work with you through them. It costs but is easy, this is the way
to life. Bow the knee and accept His forgiveness.

Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall;
but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.
Isaih 40:30-31

May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Rom 15:13

Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
Eph 3:20-21

But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:57

Temptation can be very powerful. Is there one of us who has never sinned?

 

[samuel23]

If you know a professing Christian who is into practicing obvious sin, and it has been going on for some time without hindrance, then that person IS NOT REALLY SAVED. The bible is very clear that God will scourge those who come to him, and if we are not corrected then that is because we do not belong to Christ. If you really belong to God and you really do something sinful, then get ready, because it is going to get rough.

 

[sevenseas]

If you know a professing Christian who is into practicing obvious sin, and it has been going on for some time without hindrance, then that person IS NOT REALLY SAVED. The bible is very clear that God will scourge those who come to him, and if we are not corrected then that is because we do not belong to Christ. If you really belong to God and you really do something sinful, then get ready, because it is going to get rough.

I disagree with this. Who are we to put a timetable on how God's Spirit deals with sin in individuals?

It may take years but it does not mean the person is not a Christian or not saved.

over and over again I read people saying REALLY saved or REAL Christians and some of those are the worst offenders when it comes to displaying love for the other believers on this site. (I am not referring to you in particular when I say this samuel but we know it goes on daily)

I believe God looks at the individual's heart, as scripture defines it, and He does not paint with the broad brush so many here use to define who is and who is not saved.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. II Peter 3:9

people are so quick to condemn and point out sin as if it gives relief to themself somehow or lets them off the 'hook' because they fancy someone else's sin worse than theirs (even though sin is sin and all of it falls short of God's holiness)

by the way, what do you mean by REALLY DO SOMETHING SINFUL?

 

[sevenseas]

[h=2]Is sin a rejection of Christ?[/h]

no

sin is a condition of life on this planet

Christ is the cure

 

[Grace777x70]

I disagree with this. Who are we to put a timetable on how God's Spirit deals with sin in individuals?

It may take years but it does not mean the person is not a Christian or not saved.

over and over again I read people saying REALLY saved or REAL Christians and some of those are the worst offenders when it comes to displaying love for the other believers on this site. (I am not referring to you in particular when I say this samuel but we know it goes on daily)

I believe God looks at the individual's heart, as scripture defines it, and He does not paint with the broad brush so many here use to define who is and who is not saved.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. II Peter 3:9

people are so quick to condemn and point out sin as if it gives relief to themself somehow or lets them off the 'hook' because they fancy someone else's sin worse than theirs (even though sin is sin and all of it falls short of God's holiness)

by the way, what do you mean by REALLY DO SOMETHING SINFUL?

I agree with this.

Malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ is just as sinful as living the homosexual lifestyle is. So, is outbursts of anger and so is eating ourselves to death which is called lasciviousness which means "without restraint".

All of these are works of the flesh and in the same lists together and will bring destruction to us of some form while on this earth. We like to categorize certain sins that "we don't do" as the ones being really sinful.

Would someone who had outbursts of anger for 20 years that died tonight - not go to be with the Lord even though they were born-again?

What about those that eat themselves into a heart attack - do they get booted out of Christ because they lived according to the flesh in this area?

 

[sevenseas]

I agree with this.

Malice and the slandering of others in the body of Christ is just as sinful as living the homosexual lifestyle is. So, is outbursts of anger and so is eating ourselves to death which is called lasciviousness which means "without restraint".

All of these are works of the flesh and in the same lists together and will bring destruction to us of some form while on this earth. We like to categorize certain sins that "we don't do" as the ones being really sinful.

Would someone who had outbursts of anger for 20 years that died tonight - not go to be with the Lord even though they were born-again?

What about those that eat themselves into a heart attack - do they get booted out of Christ because they lived according to the flesh in this area?

haha

I have somewhat of a 'flash flood' anger thing I deal with (it dies pretty quick too thankfully)

I also have been known to use...uh...'bad words'...

neither of these glorify Christ and I pray immediately when I sin for forgiveness whereas I used to let it fester for days in a funk to punish myself.

apparently, the tongue can set the world on fire and is the hardest to tame. think I read that in the New Testament

so many Christians use their tongues to whip other believers. they need to pray for conviction and for God to show them their hearts as He sees them.

loooooooog silence follows

 

[garee]

If we rebel and refuse to follow Christ, do evil and reject His word, is this rejection of Jesus?

It’s called sin and in regard to it, the one wage is eternal separation from God.This is to never to rise to new sprit life and receive a new incorruptible body in the end of the matter. To violate the least is to be found guilty of the whole wage, eternal separation. One who is eternal is the only one who could finish all the work necessary to forgive our whole sin.

If we suffer being yoked with Christ, as born again new creatures, with a new eternal born agin spirit called Christians, like Paul in the verse below, we will as a kingdom of priest reign with Christ as he sends us out with the same good news(gospel)that we received, the salvation of our soul….. not in part but the whole, This is because knowing he has delivered us from these bodies of death by giving us a new born again spirit that will never die and a living hope of a new incorruptible body we have fellowship with him

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

In his own flesh typified as sinful, corrupted as in decaying, aging , leading toward death We ae informed he destroyed sin in the flesh. If we deny Him in unbelief he will deny us yet he cannot deny himself that he finished, the work of suffering.

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

He informs us to begin with that no man can come (impossible) unless the father is drawing them by the faith that comes from hearing God, and if he is drawing them. He as the Holy Spirit who always does what his own soul pleases will in no wise cast them out as useless clay but will continue to form Christ in them all the days of their lives.

We have his confidence he will work out the pleasure of His will that works in us to both will and do His good pleasure. (imputed righteousness) not of our own selves lest any man bost in false pride

We have his confidence that he will work it until the end..

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

If I could ask, whose confidence would you have that will take you to the end? Could it be the confidence that comes as a work of your own flesh as a sign to yourself that you have the Holy Spirit? (self edifying) Therefore rather than walking by faith (the unseen) some walk (understand) by a work they could perform… like loving one another, a product of His love working in us.

The apostate Jew required a sign before they would believe, in that way the cross that signified all the work needed to fulfill the just demands of the law, suffering a eternal suffering in another’s persons place in jeopardy of their own spirit life, made the cross(the symbol of grace) without effect. I think the result of going above that which is written would be those who do glory in the work of their own flesh. This as if they were not freely received their sin atoned for by our Saviour.

I offer that we should keep guarding our own hearts trying to humble ourselves under the authority of faith, as the same spirit of faith(Christ in us) according as it is written.

And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.For "who" maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?1Co 4:6

 

[PeterJens]

If you know a professing Christian who is into practicing obvious sin, and it has been going on for some time without hindrance, then that person IS NOT REALLY SAVED. The bible is very clear that God will scourge those who come to him, and if we are not corrected then that is because we do not belong to Christ. If you really belong to God and you really do something sinful, then get ready, because it is going to get rough.

Obvious sin
Sexual immorality, lying, stealing, violence against others, bearing false witness, dishonouring ones
parents, coveting anothers possessions, swearing, dishonouring God, idolatry or greed.

Someone dwelling in these things for over a year, their faith has serious problems and is probably
not real.

Smoking, or dressing in a particular way, or spending time in odd locations is probably something
they need to grow through but is not sin.

Now it would be worrying if a believer did not approach someone in this state and try and help
them, because they would be in serious trouble.

If someone is suggesting getting alongside another is unhelpful and recognising that things have
gone wrong, is wrong, then they need to suggest what they would do instead. To judge people
who lovingly want to help sinners, is judgemental and problematic. I have noticed a tendancy to
suggest this idea as a kind of slander and criticism without explanation which is not helpful or
being honest.

 

[garee]

Obvious sin
Sexual immorality, lying, stealing, violence against others, bearing false witness, dishonouring ones
parents, coveting anothers possessions, swearing, dishonouring God, idolatry or greed.

Someone dwelling in these things for over a year, their faith has serious problems and is probably
not real.

Smoking, or dressing in a particular way, or spending time in odd locations is probably something
they need to grow through but is not sin.

Now it would be worrying if a believer did not approach someone in this state and try and help
them, because they would be in serious trouble.

If someone is suggesting getting alongside another is unhelpful and recognising that things have
gone wrong, is wrong, then they need to suggest what they would do instead. To judge people
who lovingly want to help sinners, is judgemental and problematic. I have noticed a tendancy to
suggest this idea as a kind of slander and criticism without explanation which is not helpful or
being honest.

And those not so obvious hidden from our sinful, desperately wicked, deceitful hearts as in who could know it, called secret faults? God is greater than our hearts he knows all thing even the intentions and is able work in us to reveal false pride, if we do have some. If he has begun the good work of salvation in us He will finish it to the end.


Psalms 19:12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.