Is sin a rejection of Christ?

[PeterJens]

Let me put the sin issue on the table.

Some believe all future sin is forgiven in Christ on coming to faith.
Some go as far as saying we repent of only unbelief in Christ.
They would say they care about sin but not as a salvation issue. They
get upset if I say you are not taking it seriously but they will say they
are it shows how much they need Christ, but never they are conquering
sin or have victory.

So my reference points and meanings are different, but I will be condemned
and they justified. In such short posts it becomes confusing but to my view
sin and repentance has a different meaning. Even what is sin varies so some
will call fear sin. I am pointing out these differences, but it is not for me to
identify the individuals. There are lots of threads that will show you these divides
so explore.

 

[PeterJens]

Then you are saved, born again, child of God. At that point you are born again of incorruptible seed just like 1 Peter 1:23 says Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The corruptible seed is the seed of your mother and father. The incorruptible seed is God's seed. We are born again and that incorruptible seed cannot be removed.

If the corruptible seed of your mother and father cannot be removed from you, why would you ever believe or think that God's incorruptible seed can be removed?

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
1 Peter 1:23

The word of God is eternal, it will never pass away. Ofcourse Gods word can be ignored and
thrown out of our hearts by our choice. The parable of the seed and the sower demonstrates
this. So my friend Jesus himself acknowledge His word stays in peoples hearts out of their
choice and is a condition of salvation. Without Gods word we do not bear fruit.

This is not exactly advanced pointed spiritual insights here, rather poor biblical understanding
and knowing what Christ taught and the fragility of peoples consciences and lives.

I am always staggared at how a sinful lifestyle, self confessed, is not a position of failure and
shame. What sins or evil still enslaves people that the cross cannot overcome in their lives?

 

[followjesus]

If we rebel and refuse to follow Christ, do evil and reject His word, is this rejection of Jesus?

Some like to say we are saved so have accepted Christ and are safe forever.
If they sin, this has already been forgiven so is irrelevant to salvation and Christ.

But Jesus came and died so that we can walk righteously, in love and truth.

It is stated we have this promise by faith in Christ, and is not dependent on our behaviour
but on what Christ did on the cross.

The argument goes if we loose our faith, we are still ok because Christ is faithful to us.
If we walk in sin that is ok because it is already forgiven.

The problem is simple. We gain salvation because of our living faith in Christ and our
commitment to walk in His ways, obeying Him.

To reject Christ is to reject this walk and who He is.

So if we sin, we are rejecting Christ and what He is offering, because though the door
is open, and He is there willing to empower us, we are saying no, I would rather walk in
evil and go my own way.

So in the battle for our souls, let us remember Christ has brought love and the cross,
so always go to Him for blessing and strength, and you will rise up like eagles, you run
and not grow weary, you will walk and not faint.

So I call to you, believe the cross, repent and bring your issues to Him, who is willing
to forgive and work with you through them. It costs but is easy, this is the way
to life. Bow the knee and accept His forgiveness.

Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall;
but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.
Isaih 40:30-31

May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Rom 15:13

Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
Eph 3:20-21

But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:57

Psalms 33:4-11 "For the WORD OF the LORD is right; and all his works are done in truth.
5He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.
6By the WORD OF the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the BREATH OF his mouth.
7He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
8Let ALL THE EARTH FEAR the LORD: let ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD stand in AWE of him.
9For HE SPAKE, and it was DONE; HE COMMANDED, and it STOOD FAST.
10The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.
11The COUNSEL OF THE LORD STANDETH FOREVER, the thoughts of his heart to ALL GENERATIONS."

John 8:23-30 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I AM FROM ABOVE: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins. 25Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

26I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I SPEAK TO THE WORLD THOSE THINGS WHICH I HAVE HEARD OF HIM. 27They understood not that he spake to them of THE FATHER. 28Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have LIFTED UP the Son of man, THEN SHALL YE KNOW that I AM HE, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I SPEAK THESE THINGS.

29And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. 30As he spake these words, many believed on him."

great post peter full of equal grace and truth. Just wanted to add these..God bless

 

[followjesus]

When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment: about sin, because people do not believe in me; about righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer; and about judgment, because the prince of this world now stands condemned.
John 16:8-11

The world needs to be convicted about sin, because if they were right about what sin
is they would have believed Christ, but they have not, showing they are wrong about
sin and need conviction.

Believers who are walking in the law of Christ do not need conviction of sin because they
are not sinning. And those who deny sin is relevant to believers as well as unbelievers
are not reading scripture. Paul and James rebuke believers for their sin and their sinful
behaviour. If this was not important or already forgiven, they would not expect them
to repent.

Paul is so grieved he worries the corinthians will not repent, but rejoices when he hears
they have repented and got right with God. But then people who invent their own theology
and only read in what they want to see are blind to the obvious before their eyes.

I wondered what attracted the gog crowd to posts like this, any post really from anyone with good principles intended for discussion but then i realized a grace post whats there to argue about? five letters only spell one word.

a hypergrace discussion would be " Grace is God".... reply, "yep brother Grace is all" ....reply... "amen to that " praise grace" amen !!....reply" amen sister Grace grace shout grace to the mountain woohoo!!" .....reply "ahh thats goood stuff friend, nothing we can ever do to lose OUR salvation" Grace grace" ...reply "amen thats deep stuff bro yeah!" .........reply " hey someone just wrote a post that says were suppose to obey Jesus"...reply " what???? that is herecy...lets round up the posse, grab the torches and mount up grace troops!!!"...reply " in the name of Grace unite, grace powers activate"...rep[ly i love you...you love me...were a hap py familee with a GREAT big Hug, and a ...interuption " bro i dont mean to interupt, but a huig rewquires labor, just wanted to keep it real in grace bro"...reply ahh yep good catch sister, sorry about that, i fell from Grace for a moment" ...anyways theres the other post........" by the power of Greyskull......i have the poowwweeerrr".....



sorry peter, humorous mood... i wont jump in here or itll just flood your post. i am gonna follow your posts on this thread because im seein some good stuff. Thanks for remaining faithful to the truth and for sharing that so politely.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
1 Peter 1:23

The word of God is eternal, it will never pass away. Ofcourse Gods word can be ignored and
thrown out of our hearts by our choice.

Even in your version of 1 Peter 1:23 the seed is "imperishable".

In the Greek, the word is aphthartou which means uncorrupted, not liable to corruption or decay, imperishable. This is what God implants within each born again one. Incorruptible seed. It does not die, it is not tainted by the wickedness in the heart, the corruption in the world, the temptations of satan.

The seed is what allows us to be called the sons of God (1 John 3:1). We are His children because He places His seed in us, and it is incorruptible seed. It does not die. It does not become corrupt. It is eternal life.

According to you, God removes it from us if/when we sin. What happens to that eternal life? God just holds onto it for eternity?????

So my friend Jesus himself acknowledge His word stays in peoples hearts out of their
choice and is a condition of salvation. Without Gods word we do not bear fruit.

If by "God's Word", you mean the Lord Jesus Christ, then I am in agreement that "without God's Word we do not bear fruit". Fruit is produced in our lives by the Lord Jesus Christ as we abide in Him.

Someone can memorize Scripture for a month of Sundays and never have any fruit in his/her life.

It is only through abiding in our Lord Jesus Christ that fruit is evidenced in our lives.

I am always staggared at how a sinful lifestyle, self confessed, is not a position of failure and
shame.

What "sinful lifestyle" are you painting in my life, PeterJens?

 

[PeterJens]

Even in your version of 1 Peter 1:23 the seed is "imperishable".

In the Greek, the word is aphthartou which means uncorrupted, not liable to corruption or decay, imperishable. This is what God implants within each born again one. Incorruptible seed. It does not die, it is not tainted by the wickedness in the heart, the corruption in the world, the temptations of satan.

The seed is what allows us to be called the sons of God (1 John 3:1). We are His children because He places His seed in us, and it is incorruptible seed. It does not die. It does not become corrupt. It is eternal life.

According to you, God removes it from us if/when we sin. What happens to that eternal life? God just holds onto it for eternity?????




If by "God's Word", you mean the Lord Jesus Christ, then I am in agreement that "without God's Word we do not bear fruit". Fruit is produced in our lives by the Lord Jesus Christ as we abide in Him.

Someone can memorize Scripture for a month of Sundays and never have any fruit in his/her life.

It is only through abiding in our Lord Jesus Christ that fruit is evidenced in our lives.




What "sinful lifestyle" are you painting in my life, PeterJens?

Let me use real language of faith.
If I say I sinned today, it needs to be a defined sin and issue.
If I said today I murdered someone you would not say, no worries you are forgiven.

So to say one is in continual sin dishonours ones self and the Lord. Sin is no light
matter of a stray thought or a desire, it is quantifiable, confessable, real.

So what are these sins being done? Or is the truth it is safer to fail and excuse behaviour
than really face God and repent. James talks of weeping, wailing, trauma because sin
sends us to hell.

It is little wonder people have so little understanding when they defile themselves with
sin and unbelief. Sin by not facing their real issues, and unbelief, they do not believe
Christ can heal them.

There is no greater power than the cross and the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

 

[mj007]

My understanding of it is, that those of high stature, even just a pastor in the community, who might teach a false Gospel unknowingly, will tell their pupils to condemn false Gospel. Therefore the pupil does not question whether they had been taught a false Gospel, by that person, but sees it in others.

More realistically, I try to take a bit of truth from everything without saying that a certain person speaks the whole truth. I think it is more discerning to take the good from what people say. To look for the good, to look for God, God is Love, therefore to look for the love in things and words spoken, for God is everywhere.

But when we are biased logically and intelligibly, it often means that we have been duped by our own truth which is false. It is false because Jesus taught us to love our enemies, not create them. The only enemies are the spiritual enemies which can reside in people, and that I believe are all around us in this world, and cause many of our struggles. But even though Jesus spoke of demons, and spoke of love, which two things don't you hear people talk about much in Christianity?

People in Christianity rarely talk about demons or love - what does that tell you? I mean, what would demons want to suppress in people? They would want to suppress their existence, and they would want to suppress love. It is a constant pressure in the world, that commits people to the flesh. And the most striking part of the flesh, is the logically intelligible mind. Intelligence as being higher than love. And love is God, and God is of the highest intelligence. Therefore love is the most powerful. But the world will say different. Christians are supposed to show the world what the real truth is, when they do not speak the same as the world. Without love in dialog, whether Atheist, Jew, Christian, Muslim, we are all pretty much the same fleshy creatures, with different opinions.

Let me use real language of faith.
If I say I sinned today, it needs to be a defined sin and issue.
If I said today I murdered someone you would not say, no worries you are forgiven.

So to say one is in continual sin dishonours ones self and the Lord. Sin is no light
matter of a stray thought or a desire, it is quantifiable, confessable, real.

So what are these sins being done? Or is the truth it is safer to fail and excuse behaviour
than really face God and repent. James talks of weeping, wailing, trauma because sin
sends us to hell.

It is little wonder people have so little understanding when they defile themselves with
sin and unbelief. Sin by not facing their real issues, and unbelief, they do not believe
Christ can heal them.

There is no greater power than the cross and the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

 

[Chris1975]

[SUP]Galatians 6

7 [/SUP]Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.

 

[slave]

So its interesting how the topic is worded. "Is sin a rejection of Christ?" Well of course not! He came to save sinners not the righteous......

2 Timothy 2:13New American Standard Bible (NASB)

13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

But if you say, "Is sin something that separates us from Christ, the answer is yes, for that is the nature of sin:

Isaiah 59:2: NASB

But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear.

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.

And this Was also just stated... ^^^^^

 

[slave]

So its interesting how the topic is worded. "Is sin a rejection of Christ?" Well of course not! He came to save sinners not the righteous......

2 Timothy 2:13New American Standard Bible (NASB)

13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.

But if you say, "Is sin something that separates us from Christ, the answer is yes, for that is the nature of sin:

Isaiah 59:2: NASB

But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you, so that He will not hear.

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of faith.

And this Was also just stated... ^^^^^

So theres the God role; The Sin role; and our role in relationship to God and Sin. Sin is the anti-god spirit.

 

[limey410]

If we rebel and refuse to follow Christ, do evil and reject His word, is this rejection of Jesus?

Some like to say we are saved so have accepted Christ and are safe forever.
If they sin, this has already been forgiven so is irrelevant to salvation and Christ.

But Jesus came and died so that we can walk righteously, in love and truth.

It is stated we have this promise by faith in Christ, and is not dependent on our behaviour
but on what Christ did on the cross.

The argument goes if we loose our faith, we are still ok because Christ is faithful to us.
If we walk in sin that is ok because it is already forgiven.

The problem is simple. We gain salvation because of our living faith in Christ and our
commitment to walk in His ways, obeying Him.

To reject Christ is to reject this walk and who He is.

So if we sin, we are rejecting Christ and what He is offering, because though the door
is open, and He is there willing to empower us, we are saying no, I would rather walk in
evil and go my own way.

So in the battle for our souls, let us remember Christ has brought love and the cross,
so always go to Him for blessing and strength, and you will rise up like eagles, you run
and not grow weary, you will walk and not faint.

So I call to you, believe the cross, repent and bring your issues to Him, who is willing
to forgive and work with you through them. It costs but is easy, this is the way
to life. Bow the knee and accept His forgiveness.

Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall;
but those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint.
Isaih 40:30-31

May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Rom 15:13

Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.
Eph 3:20-21

But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:57

You really are stuck on sin. For you victory only comes when you win this battle against sin. The battle has already been won. Christ has the victory, and our inheritance is Him, ergo I also have the victory. Sheesh, this topic really gets old with you. Grow up in Christ and embrace the victory and live in peace, out of the abundance of what has already been given to you.

 

[Chris1975]

You really are stuck on sin. For you victory only comes when you win this battle against sin. The battle has already been won. Christ has the victory, and our inheritance is Him, ergo I also have the victory. Sheesh, this topic really gets old with you. Grow up in Christ and embrace the victory and live in peace, out of the abundance of what has already been given to you.

Limey, simple question to you. Are you free to commit adultery? Yes or No? If yes (then why?). If no (then why?).

 

[limey410]

Limey, simple question to you. Are you free to commit adultery? Yes or No? If yes (then why?). If no (then why?).

I am free to do anything but not everything is beneficial. I have true freedom in Christ, that freedom was not granted to me for the purpose to go out and indulge my flesh, but that freedom was granted to me. I am free from the judgement of sin, by the action of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. My relationship with Christ is one where I rely on Him, and I focus on Him and I walk with Him. I hope as a result of this I sin less frequently.

 

[limey410]

You just cant handle true freedom, so you shackle yourself

 

[PennEd]

Obvious sin
Sexual immorality, lying, stealing, violence against others, bearing false witness, dishonouring ones
parents, coveting anothers possessions, swearing, dishonouring God, idolatry or greed.

Someone dwelling in these things for over a year, their faith has serious problems and is probably
not real.

Smoking, or dressing in a particular way, or spending time in odd locations is probably something
they need to grow through but is not sin.

Now it would be worrying if a believer did not approach someone in this state and try and help
them, because they would be in serious trouble.

If someone is suggesting getting alongside another is unhelpful and recognising that things have
gone wrong, is wrong, then they need to suggest what they would do instead. To judge people
who lovingly want to help sinners, is judgemental and problematic. I have noticed a tendancy to
suggest this idea as a kind of slander and criticism without explanation which is not helpful or
being honest.

DIY righteousness with the Law of Christ is not possible. Only in love and Spirit can we walk
in this. The agenda is always one of condemnation of believers who hold any moral stand as
if morality is evil and hypocritical. The law of Christ exercised in love is Gods will.

The argument continues because general words can be interpreted anyway you like and
people can judgmental or condemning about irrelevant issues that people know about,
when this is not part of the theological points being made. It is a typical trick of some
presenters of arguments. But the Lord will always shine a light on them.

This post really belies the lack of understanding of the pure, perfect nature of God. He is NOT subjective! Uzzah learned that the hard way.

2 Samuel 6:
6 And when they came to Nachon’s threshing floor, Uzzah put out his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen stumbled. 7 Then the anger of the Lord was aroused against Uzzah, and God struck him there for his error; and he died there by the ark of God. 8 And David became angry because of the Lord’s outbreak against Uzzah; and he called the name of the place Perez Uzzah[c] to this day.

Breaking the Law and sinning, whether unintentional, OR for what WE would consider "good" reasons, DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE LAW WAS BROKEN! And there are ALWAYS consequences to sin. If you are in Christ, one of the consequences, eternal death, has already been paid for.

You are constantly trying to lower God's perfect standard. He doesn't grade on a curve. If you are not perfect, YOU FAIL!

So trying to parse out that some sins we commit God is going to look the other way, and some He's REEEAAALLLY gonna zap us on, is an insult to His perfect Love and Grace, and if you keep on sinning by insulting His Grace, there is no more sacrifice for your sins.

A VERY dangerous place to be!

 

[Chris1975]

I am free to do anything but not everything is beneficial. I have true freedom in Christ, that freedom was not granted to me for the purpose to go out and indulge my flesh, but that freedom was granted to me. I am free from the judgement of sin, by the action of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. My relationship with Christ is one where I rely on Him, and I focus on Him and I walk with Him. I hope as a result of this I sin less frequently.

So you didn't answer the questions posed. I will then try and infer, from what you did write, what your thoughts are.

So you say you are free to engage in adultery (because you are free to do anything). Its just not that beneficial (smack smack, wink wink). So even though Christ doesn't want you to indulge your flesh (because he knows that Adultery destroys), you are free to do so anyway because he has granted you this freedom. You are also free to ignore your Master (thats what Lord means) and there will be no penalty for going against the Masters wishes, because He has granted you freedom and no penalty.

You say you rely on Christ, yet you are not willing to heed Him (as he says you are to crucify the flesh)
You say you focus on Christ, yet in committing adultery you are focusing on your sin (because hey its nicer).
You say you walk with Him (is He committing adultery as well?)
You say you hope to sin less frequently? How is the above mindset going to help you with that objective?

 

[PeterJens]

You really are stuck on sin. For you victory only comes when you win this battle against sin. The battle has already been won. Christ has the victory, and our inheritance is Him, ergo I also have the victory. Sheesh, this topic really gets old with you. Grow up in Christ and embrace the victory and live in peace, out of the abundance of what has already been given to you.

limey - Do not get me wrong. I am not stuck on sin. You are obviously blind to the letters
written by Paul and the apostles. Their main focus is on how we live, in attitude, in action
and in faith. Why is that? Because this is who we are in Christ.

Everything is about two issues. Being pure and Holy in Christ and doing loving works in
society. Now if you are still sinning, you are still bound to sin, a slave to it.

This is what the kingdom is about. You disdain and focus is not of the Lord. Your gospel
is ignore human behaviour and just praise God. This is apostacy. It is a stench that rises
up and brings dishonour to His victory and His glorious name. It is the same as the
prophets in Jeremiahs time saying this

They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious.
‘Peace, peace,’ they say, when there is no peace.
Are they ashamed of their detestable conduct?
No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush.


So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when I punish them,”
says the Lord.
Jeremiah 6:14-15

This is an adulterous people

You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
James 4:4

Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.
James 4:9-10

 

[limey410]

This post really belies the lack of understanding of the pure, perfect nature of God. He is NOT subjective! Uzzah learned that the hard way.

2 Samuel 6:
6 And when they came to Nachon’s threshing floor, Uzzah put out his hand to the ark of God and took hold of it, for the oxen stumbled. 7 Then the anger of the Lord was aroused against Uzzah, and God struck him there for his error; and he died there by the ark of God. 8 And David became angry because of the Lord’s outbreak against Uzzah; and he called the name of the place Perez Uzzah[c] to this day.

Breaking the Law and sinning, whether unintentional, OR for what WE would consider "good" reasons, DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE LAW WAS BROKEN! And there are ALWAYS consequences to sin. If you are in Christ, one of the consequences, eternal death, has already been paid for.

You are constantly trying to lower God's perfect standard. He doesn't grade on a curve. If you are not perfect, YOU FAIL!

So trying to parse out that some sins we commit God is going to look the other way, and some He's REEEAAALLLY gonna zap us on, is an insult to His perfect Love and Grace, and if you keep on sinning by insulting His Grace, there is no more sacrifice for your sins.

A VERY dangerous place to be!

Yes, denying or at best minimizing His sacrifice and His Grace paralyses you. Places you in a wilderness of searching, if you did right, did I do wrong, is God mad at me, what do I have to sacrifice to fix it, and so on....that is a rejection of His grace and mercy.

 

[gb9]

limey - Do not get me wrong. I am not stuck on sin. You are obviously blind to the letters
written by Paul and the apostles. Their main focus is on how we live, in attitude, in action
and in faith. Why is that? Because this is who we are in Christ.

Everything is about two issues. Being pure and Holy in Christ and doing loving works in
society. Now if you are still sinning, you are still bound to sin, a slave to it.

This is what the kingdom is about. You disdain and focus is not of the Lord. Your gospel
is ignore human behaviour and just praise God. This is apostacy. It is a stench that rises
up and brings dishonour to His victory and His glorious name. It is the same as the
prophets in Jeremiahs time saying this

They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious.
‘Peace, peace,’ they say, when there is no peace.
Are they ashamed of their detestable conduct?
No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush.


So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when I punish them,”
says the Lord.
Jeremiah 6:14-15

This is an adulterous people

You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
James 4:4

Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.
James 4:9-10

must be nice to be perfect like you. maybe one day us reprobate can achieve your gold glowing holy perfection.

 

[limey410]

limey - Do not get me wrong. I am not stuck on sin. You are obviously blind to the letters
written by Paul and the apostles. Their main focus is on how we live, in attitude, in action
and in faith. Why is that? Because this is who we are in Christ.

Everything is about two issues. Being pure and Holy in Christ and doing loving works in
society. Now if you are still sinning, you are still bound to sin, a slave to it.

This is what the kingdom is about. You disdain and focus is not of the Lord. Your gospel
is ignore human behaviour and just praise God. This is apostacy. It is a stench that rises
up and brings dishonour to His victory and His glorious name. It is the same as the
prophets in Jeremiahs time saying this

They dress the wound of my people as though it were not serious.
‘Peace, peace,’ they say, when there is no peace.
Are they ashamed of their detestable conduct?
No, they have no shame at all; they do not even know how to blush.


So they will fall among the fallen; they will be brought down when I punish them,”
says the Lord.
Jeremiah 6:14-15

This is an adulterous people

You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
James 4:4

Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9 Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.
James 4:9-10

So if I were to believe and by led by you, we could consider it the blind leading the blind.