Is The Holy Spirit in you.
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So just continue to keep seeking the Spirit and when or if you get deceived, we have an advocate Jesus Christ the righteous so we can approach the throne of grace find out what went wrong and how we got decieved and then walk back in the newness of life not looking behind but moving forward towards the mark and I am so glad to know this that there is no condemnation from God (people yes) for those that seek after the Spirit of Christ which is also the Spirit of truth that sets you free in Love to all unconditionally
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Cobus you said,
I read verse 5 like you asked my dear friend... And i read this..... THEY THAT ARE AFTER THE SPIRIT... Now how can I be AFTER the Spirit if he is IN ME? I toold you before so many times..... THE SPIRIT LEADS BEFORE HE FILLS!
So in seeking after the Spirit brother according to Romans 8 there is no condemnation for those that seek after the Spirit. So if I die before recieving the Spirit as you say before I am cleansed as you say and the Holy Spirit accordingly is not living in me because of some sortof sin, well anything without Faith in christ is sin, do I go to hell?
1 John 2:1My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.
I agree we are to come to the understanding being led and controlled by truth from and in the Holy Ghost and from listening to the Holy Ghost we are made righteous through Faith for The Holy Ghopst speaks of the Fasther and Son, Now what I hear is I am made righteous the day I first believed and recieved the Holy Ghost in me yet in the Old Testament this could not be but here now in the new after the death where all sin has been taken away by the last sacrifice of Christ and shedding of blood it is finished, therefore Father could reside in the believer by the Holy Ghost the same Holy ghost that lived in Jesus that came to the disciples and filled them at Pentecost he lived in them and they prophesied to the truth, actually the hoply Ghost through them did this. NOW WAIT A MINUTE COBUS, did these disciples stop sinning before the Holy Ghost came upon them? Did any of them sin afterwards? Did God remove himself taking Pepto-bismal saying I did not know you were going to do this or that. Or is it his MERCY that goes on forever that Father is waiting for us to respond to, and he is patient knowing we all will come to the truth in him? It is Father's kindness brother that leads one to change his or her mind from unbelief to belief for this is what did it for me, and I hear you talking kindly but it is not kind nor merciful, you have used scripture to condemn, taking away hope in the believer with out being revealed by using kind words and you have spoken of yourself as the way for others to know truth they come to you which tells me you are deceiving for even Christ did not exalt himself
Yet brother God has Mercy and I do to because of God and his Mercy I love becasue I am loved, I forgive because I am forgiven, this is truth that others need to know that god just loves them and then they will be led by God. But putting others under law using scripture even though you state ine must be dead to flesh which is truth and alive to God you have not said in order to do this one must trust God to show you and God to do this tor you through trust in God through his Son CHRIST. This my brother is the only way to salvation through Christ and the finished work on the cross, trusting God from this point on in all thyings knowing God has come and lives in you while you were yet still of a worldly mind set. He does this to change you as you agree to be changed because you still have free will, we are under a new covenant where the Love of God is manifested in our hearts and then as we grow in the miraculous grace we learn by God in agrrement with God to say no to unrighteousness and we do as we grow. There is no where that the bible directly states that God will notl ive in you until you clean yourself up. In the Old Testament under the Old Covenant Law this is true. Now under the New Covenant the Holy Ghost living in us at the first day of belief is the hope of Glory being told of Father and Son never taking credit of Himnself for telling us truth. Cobus God the Father in the power of the Holy Ghost is able to live in us while we are yet sinners because Father's Son Christ took away all sin from Father's sight so Father through ones that believe could come and live in them not seeing sin any longer and deal with us on the basis of new life, so that we do walk circumspectly as we should in response towaht Father has already done for us inspite of us and waht we do or might do
I read verse 5 like you asked my dear friend... And i read this..... THEY THAT ARE AFTER THE SPIRIT... Now how can I be AFTER the Spirit if he is IN ME? I toold you before so many times..... THE SPIRIT LEADS BEFORE HE FILLS!
So in seeking after the Spirit brother according to Romans 8 there is no condemnation for those that seek after the Spirit. So if I die before recieving the Spirit as you say before I am cleansed as you say and the Holy Spirit accordingly is not living in me because of some sortof sin, well anything without Faith in christ is sin, do I go to hell?
1 John 2:1My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous.
I agree we are to come to the understanding being led and controlled by truth from and in the Holy Ghost and from listening to the Holy Ghost we are made righteous through Faith for The Holy Ghopst speaks of the Fasther and Son, Now what I hear is I am made righteous the day I first believed and recieved the Holy Ghost in me yet in the Old Testament this could not be but here now in the new after the death where all sin has been taken away by the last sacrifice of Christ and shedding of blood it is finished, therefore Father could reside in the believer by the Holy Ghost the same Holy ghost that lived in Jesus that came to the disciples and filled them at Pentecost he lived in them and they prophesied to the truth, actually the hoply Ghost through them did this. NOW WAIT A MINUTE COBUS, did these disciples stop sinning before the Holy Ghost came upon them? Did any of them sin afterwards? Did God remove himself taking Pepto-bismal saying I did not know you were going to do this or that. Or is it his MERCY that goes on forever that Father is waiting for us to respond to, and he is patient knowing we all will come to the truth in him? It is Father's kindness brother that leads one to change his or her mind from unbelief to belief for this is what did it for me, and I hear you talking kindly but it is not kind nor merciful, you have used scripture to condemn, taking away hope in the believer with out being revealed by using kind words and you have spoken of yourself as the way for others to know truth they come to you which tells me you are deceiving for even Christ did not exalt himself
Yet brother God has Mercy and I do to because of God and his Mercy I love becasue I am loved, I forgive because I am forgiven, this is truth that others need to know that god just loves them and then they will be led by God. But putting others under law using scripture even though you state ine must be dead to flesh which is truth and alive to God you have not said in order to do this one must trust God to show you and God to do this tor you through trust in God through his Son CHRIST. This my brother is the only way to salvation through Christ and the finished work on the cross, trusting God from this point on in all thyings knowing God has come and lives in you while you were yet still of a worldly mind set. He does this to change you as you agree to be changed because you still have free will, we are under a new covenant where the Love of God is manifested in our hearts and then as we grow in the miraculous grace we learn by God in agrrement with God to say no to unrighteousness and we do as we grow. There is no where that the bible directly states that God will notl ive in you until you clean yourself up. In the Old Testament under the Old Covenant Law this is true. Now under the New Covenant the Holy Ghost living in us at the first day of belief is the hope of Glory being told of Father and Son never taking credit of Himnself for telling us truth. Cobus God the Father in the power of the Holy Ghost is able to live in us while we are yet sinners because Father's Son Christ took away all sin from Father's sight so Father through ones that believe could come and live in them not seeing sin any longer and deal with us on the basis of new life, so that we do walk circumspectly as we should in response towaht Father has already done for us inspite of us and waht we do or might do
Hmmm... I am trying to understand why you deny yourself being a christian and since the lable christian seems to not mean anything to you....and there is alot of misrepresentaion of what a christian is out there in the world and on the internet....
Do you have faith in Jesus Christ by believing in Him as your Saviour? Believing in Him is that Truth that gets you saved as standing apart from the law or any works to get one saved.
Romans 3:[SUP]26 [/SUP]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
It is by not believing is how one is not saved as they are condemned already.
John 3:[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
So the only way those that have the Holy Spirit are those that have believed in Him... even in His name.
John 1:[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Ephesians 1:[SUP]12 [/SUP]That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. [SUP]13 [/SUP]In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, [SUP]14 [/SUP]Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
You do not get the promise of the permanent indwelling Holy Spirit before you are saved. You get that by knocking at the door of Jesus Christ for salvation. Once you have received Him, there is no asking for the Spirit again, less you make God the Father a liar which He is not.
John 10:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep....1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Luke 11:[SUP]9 [/SUP]And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. [SUP]11 [/SUP]If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? [SUP]12 [/SUP]Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? [SUP]13 [/SUP]If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
You cannot receive the Holy Spirit by any other way than coming to the Son in believing in Him.And as you have pointed out, not every believer will continue in His words to be His disciples and so they build on that foundation, wood, stubble, and hay which will get burned away, and for defiling that temple of God, God will destroy, but that foundation remains.
John 8:[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; [SUP]32 [/SUP]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free....[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Do you trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to lead you & to guide you through the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ has given to indwell all believers in Jesus Christ, even those that just believe in His name?
Or are you relating to a spirit that comes and goes that you have to keep calling for that spirit that you think is the Holy Spirit?
Do you have faith in Jesus Christ by believing in Him as your Saviour? Believing in Him is that Truth that gets you saved as standing apart from the law or any works to get one saved.
Romans 3:[SUP]26 [/SUP]To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
It is by not believing is how one is not saved as they are condemned already.
John 3:[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
So the only way those that have the Holy Spirit are those that have believed in Him... even in His name.
John 1:[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Ephesians 1:[SUP]12 [/SUP]That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. [SUP]13 [/SUP]In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, [SUP]14 [/SUP]Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,
You do not get the promise of the permanent indwelling Holy Spirit before you are saved. You get that by knocking at the door of Jesus Christ for salvation. Once you have received Him, there is no asking for the Spirit again, less you make God the Father a liar which He is not.
John 10:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep....1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Luke 11:[SUP]9 [/SUP]And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. [SUP]10 [/SUP]For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. [SUP]11 [/SUP]If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? [SUP]12 [/SUP]Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? [SUP]13 [/SUP]If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
You cannot receive the Holy Spirit by any other way than coming to the Son in believing in Him.And as you have pointed out, not every believer will continue in His words to be His disciples and so they build on that foundation, wood, stubble, and hay which will get burned away, and for defiling that temple of God, God will destroy, but that foundation remains.
John 8:[SUP]31 [/SUP]Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; [SUP]32 [/SUP]And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free....[SUP]36 [/SUP]If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Do you trust Jesus Christ as your Good Shepherd to lead you & to guide you through the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ has given to indwell all believers in Jesus Christ, even those that just believe in His name?
Or are you relating to a spirit that comes and goes that you have to keep calling for that spirit that you think is the Holy Spirit?
1 Corinthians 8:2And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.
Lucifer was an amazing angel made by God and God's light shone through him amazingly. Angels came to him and asked Questions about things that they wanted to know and Lucifer answered them never telling them that these answers were from God the Father the creator of all. For Lucifer learnt much from God the Father and continuned in taking credit for the knowledge he had and had used this to help the other Angels a third to be a matter of fact.
Now God who saw this decided to make mankind and was well pleased in this, and a lot of the light that shined through Lucifer was now shining on earth at Adam and Eve. Now the decieved angels asked Lucifer what has happened where is the bright and shining light. Lucifer thus had to stop Adam and Eve and get them to eat from the tree of death (Evil) and when they are killed then he could recover this light.
But GOD had MERCY on Adam and Eve and they lived in the Flesh from this point on, And Lucifer is now the Devil and thier are many others as he as well. Time went on and God had said that there would be a time for redemption. Job said he knew his redeemer lives, Abrahem, Issaac, Jacob, Joseph and many other Old Testament saints, were called Saints by God because they believed God and acted accordingly in Love of God they became responders to God in place of being initiators.
Today the redemption has taken place in Christ Jesus, we are forgiven it is finished there is no more forgiveness to executed from God or on God's part. Once one reccives this truth then they can move on into the newness of life. First by dying to sin back at the cross where Christ took all sin away and condemned all sin to the tree of evil (flesh) and destroyed that tree of evil, vanishing all evil away from Father's sight through his Son's last sacrifice and last shedding of blood. All that is left for us is to believe this and then we can be raised from the dead to the newness of life back to the Spirit of God where the flesh matters no more all that does matter is Love God' love
Now does anyone think that God will reveal this truth to anyone that is out for themselves as the devil was and is still to this day? God will only reveal himself to those that just want to know him without any other purpose. All others are counterfiets and are after glory of themselves period and if one wants to know what counterfiet is then learn the dollar bills as a teller would and know counterfiet the moment they saw it and or touched it. So study the word of God in whole wanting to know God the creatorof all with no other purpose and God will show you his Son and the truth of his Son, and you will be born again once you ask from God to do so. Since we all have been reconciled to God by the death of his Son how much more will you be saved by his life? Therefore it is by the life that one is saved period, yet the death is needed first so you can agree with God that you need to die to sin as well and then through the operation of God the Father raised back to life just as he did with his Son Jesus christ making you his Son also. Just like an apple when it is first born and hangs on the branch it is not ripe it is green, but a perfect apple it is, just not yet mature, now as one continues to abide just as a branch abides in the tree we being branches ourselves now hanging on the tree of LIFE are growing from inmaturity to maturity in Christ, all the branch needs to do is abide rest in the tree to have produced fruit in and through it the branch and we are the same just branches that can only bear fruit, never produce it only Christ can do this in and through you the branch abider (truster) in the tree of Life and this is Christ Jesus
Homwardbound
Now God who saw this decided to make mankind and was well pleased in this, and a lot of the light that shined through Lucifer was now shining on earth at Adam and Eve. Now the decieved angels asked Lucifer what has happened where is the bright and shining light. Lucifer thus had to stop Adam and Eve and get them to eat from the tree of death (Evil) and when they are killed then he could recover this light.
But GOD had MERCY on Adam and Eve and they lived in the Flesh from this point on, And Lucifer is now the Devil and thier are many others as he as well. Time went on and God had said that there would be a time for redemption. Job said he knew his redeemer lives, Abrahem, Issaac, Jacob, Joseph and many other Old Testament saints, were called Saints by God because they believed God and acted accordingly in Love of God they became responders to God in place of being initiators.
Today the redemption has taken place in Christ Jesus, we are forgiven it is finished there is no more forgiveness to executed from God or on God's part. Once one reccives this truth then they can move on into the newness of life. First by dying to sin back at the cross where Christ took all sin away and condemned all sin to the tree of evil (flesh) and destroyed that tree of evil, vanishing all evil away from Father's sight through his Son's last sacrifice and last shedding of blood. All that is left for us is to believe this and then we can be raised from the dead to the newness of life back to the Spirit of God where the flesh matters no more all that does matter is Love God' love
Now does anyone think that God will reveal this truth to anyone that is out for themselves as the devil was and is still to this day? God will only reveal himself to those that just want to know him without any other purpose. All others are counterfiets and are after glory of themselves period and if one wants to know what counterfiet is then learn the dollar bills as a teller would and know counterfiet the moment they saw it and or touched it. So study the word of God in whole wanting to know God the creatorof all with no other purpose and God will show you his Son and the truth of his Son, and you will be born again once you ask from God to do so. Since we all have been reconciled to God by the death of his Son how much more will you be saved by his life? Therefore it is by the life that one is saved period, yet the death is needed first so you can agree with God that you need to die to sin as well and then through the operation of God the Father raised back to life just as he did with his Son Jesus christ making you his Son also. Just like an apple when it is first born and hangs on the branch it is not ripe it is green, but a perfect apple it is, just not yet mature, now as one continues to abide just as a branch abides in the tree we being branches ourselves now hanging on the tree of LIFE are growing from inmaturity to maturity in Christ, all the branch needs to do is abide rest in the tree to have produced fruit in and through it the branch and we are the same just branches that can only bear fruit, never produce it only Christ can do this in and through you the branch abider (truster) in the tree of Life and this is Christ Jesus
Homwardbound
So the only way to recieve the Holy Ghost is shaking trembling house shaking repeting what God has already doneand showed them in that day and this is the way it is to happen only. That would be like say there was radio back in the day and a lot of people recieved God the Holy Ghost through the preaching of Christ Jesus, Would that make this the only way top recieve the Holy Ghost? right no way, careful
It is by belief (faith) in Christ that one is counted by God to be righteous. and Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to those that believe, Please quit mixing Law and grace. Can oil and water mix? neither can Law and grace
The performance of the Law any Law is LOVE God's and is a by-product of belief in God through the Son
[h=3]Hebrews 11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]By Faith We Understand[/h]11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
[h=3]Faith at the Dawn of History[/h][SUP]4 [/SUP]By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and through it he being dead still speaks.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
[h=3]Faithful Abraham[/h][SUP]8 [/SUP]By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. [SUP]9 [/SUP]By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; [SUP]10 [/SUP]for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]By faith Sarah herself also received strength to conceive seed, and she bore a child when she was past the age, because she judged Him faithful who had promised. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born as many as the stars of the sky in multitude—innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore.
[h=3]The Heavenly Hope[/h][SUP]13 [/SUP]These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.
[h=3]The Faith of the Patriarchs[/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, [SUP]18 [/SUP]of whom it was said, “In Isaac your seed shall be called,” [SUP]19 [/SUP]concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, and worshiped, leaning on the top of his staff.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]By faith Joseph, when he was dying, made mention of the departure of the children of Israel, and gave instructions concerning his bones.
[h=3]The Faith of Moses[/h][SUP]23 [/SUP]By faith Moses, when he was born, was hidden three months by his parents, because they saw he was a beautiful child; and they were not afraid of the king’s command.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, [SUP]25 [/SUP]choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, [SUP]26 [/SUP]esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured as seeing Him who is invisible. [SUP]28 [/SUP]By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, lest he who destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]By faith they passed through the Red Sea as by dry land, whereas the Egyptians, attempting to do so, were drowned.
[h=3]By Faith They Overcame[/h][SUP]30 [/SUP]By faith the walls of Jericho fell down after they were encircled for seven days. [SUP]31 [/SUP]By faith the harlot Rahab did not perish with those who did not believe, when she had received the spies with peace.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And what more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets: [SUP]33 [/SUP]who through faith subdued kingdoms, worked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, [SUP]34 [/SUP]quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, became valiant in battle, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Women received their dead raised to life again.
Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains and imprisonment. [SUP]37 [/SUP]They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented— [SUP]38 [/SUP]of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, [SUP]40 [/SUP]God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.
The performance of the Law any Law is LOVE God's and is a by-product of belief in God through the Son
[h=3]Hebrews 11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]By Faith We Understand[/h]11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.
[h=3]Faith at the Dawn of History[/h][SUP]4 [/SUP]By faith Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts; and through it he being dead still speaks.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]By faith Enoch was taken away so that he did not see death, “and was not found, because God had taken him”; for before he was taken he had this testimony, that he pleased God. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]By faith Noah, being divinely warned of things not yet seen, moved with godly fear, prepared an ark for the saving of his household, by which he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness which is according to faith.
[h=3]Faithful Abraham[/h][SUP]8 [/SUP]By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. [SUP]9 [/SUP]By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; [SUP]10 [/SUP]for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]By faith Sarah herself also received strength to conceive seed, and she bore a child when she was past the age, because she judged Him faithful who had promised. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born as many as the stars of the sky in multitude—innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore.
[h=3]The Heavenly Hope[/h][SUP]13 [/SUP]These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.
[h=3]The Faith of the Patriarchs[/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, [SUP]18 [/SUP]of whom it was said, “In Isaac your seed shall be called,” [SUP]19 [/SUP]concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]By faith Jacob, when he was dying, blessed each of the sons of Joseph, and worshiped, leaning on the top of his staff.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]By faith Joseph, when he was dying, made mention of the departure of the children of Israel, and gave instructions concerning his bones.
[h=3]The Faith of Moses[/h][SUP]23 [/SUP]By faith Moses, when he was born, was hidden three months by his parents, because they saw he was a beautiful child; and they were not afraid of the king’s command.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]By faith Moses, when he became of age, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter, [SUP]25 [/SUP]choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the passing pleasures of sin, [SUP]26 [/SUP]esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt; for he looked to the reward.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king; for he endured as seeing Him who is invisible. [SUP]28 [/SUP]By faith he kept the Passover and the sprinkling of blood, lest he who destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]By faith they passed through the Red Sea as by dry land, whereas the Egyptians, attempting to do so, were drowned.
[h=3]By Faith They Overcame[/h][SUP]30 [/SUP]By faith the walls of Jericho fell down after they were encircled for seven days. [SUP]31 [/SUP]By faith the harlot Rahab did not perish with those who did not believe, when she had received the spies with peace.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]And what more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets: [SUP]33 [/SUP]who through faith subdued kingdoms, worked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, [SUP]34 [/SUP]quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, became valiant in battle, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Women received their dead raised to life again.
Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings, yes, and of chains and imprisonment. [SUP]37 [/SUP]They were stoned, they were sawn in two, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented— [SUP]38 [/SUP]of whom the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens and caves of the earth.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not receive the promise, [SUP]40 [/SUP]God having provided something better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.
Anmd Saul who became Paul said this Cobus and Ithink to you as well as anyone else who is striving to be cleaneds up before God can live in them, by waht you are about to read the clean up is done in you by God by Faith
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]All for Christ[/h]3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit,[SUP] [/SUP]rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
[h=3]Pressing Toward the Goal[/h][SUP]12 [/SUP]Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, [SUP]14 [/SUP]I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
[h=3]Our Citizenship in Heaven[/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: [SUP]19 [/SUP]whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]21 [/SUP]who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
It is by Faith that one attains and this faith needs an object and this is Christ Jesus the author and finisher of ones faith. So what do I or you have to do with working to be cleaned up we are cleaned up by Faith in Christ jesus and the finished work of him the hope of glory him in you. This is the mystery of what Paul has been tryiing to tell everyone, but most are hard of hearing and never move on to perfection and no one can unless God permits and God wil only permit this this those with the correct motive. What would this motive be ? to know him without any malice in mind as Lucifer had, and probably still does have even though he was defeated at the resurrection where Jesus took te keys from him to heaven and Hell and then releasing those that believed he is the Christ the Messiah , and he took captivity captive Halleluah man Halleluah!
[h=3]Philippians 3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]All for Christ[/h]3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit,[SUP] [/SUP]rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, [SUP]4 [/SUP]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
[h=3]Pressing Toward the Goal[/h][SUP]12 [/SUP]Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, [SUP]14 [/SUP]I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
[h=3]Our Citizenship in Heaven[/h][SUP]17 [/SUP]Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: [SUP]19 [/SUP]whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]21 [/SUP]who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
It is by Faith that one attains and this faith needs an object and this is Christ Jesus the author and finisher of ones faith. So what do I or you have to do with working to be cleaned up we are cleaned up by Faith in Christ jesus and the finished work of him the hope of glory him in you. This is the mystery of what Paul has been tryiing to tell everyone, but most are hard of hearing and never move on to perfection and no one can unless God permits and God wil only permit this this those with the correct motive. What would this motive be ? to know him without any malice in mind as Lucifer had, and probably still does have even though he was defeated at the resurrection where Jesus took te keys from him to heaven and Hell and then releasing those that believed he is the Christ the Messiah , and he took captivity captive Halleluah man Halleluah!
To you only for I know how and where I came from having in me the Holy Ghost from the first time I believed just as Peter and the other disciples but for them this was not until the day of Pentecost and they could not preach truth without the reception of the Holy Ghost they were to wait and then they could preach it the truth.
Since you say you do not have the Holy Ghost you are an invalid preacher
Since you say you do not have the Holy Ghost you are an invalid preacher
Read the whole in context:
[h=3]Romans 3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]God’s Judgment Defended[/h]3 What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? [SUP]2 [/SUP]Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written:
“That You may be justified in Your words,
And may overcome when You are judged.”[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unjust who inflicts wrath? (I speak as a man.) [SUP]6 [/SUP]Certainly not! For then how will God judge the world?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? [SUP]8 [/SUP]And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”?—as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just.
[h=3]All Have Sinned[/h][SUP]9 [/SUP]What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”[SUP][b][/SUP]
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”; [SUP][c][/SUP]
“The poison of asps is under their lips”; [SUP][d][/SUP]
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”[SUP][e][/SUP]
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Destruction and misery are in their ways;
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the way of peace they have not known.”[SUP][f][/SUP]
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[SUP][g][/SUP]
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
[h=3]God’s Righteousness Through Faith[/h][SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, [SUP]22 [/SUP]even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[SUP][h][/SUP] who believe. For there is no difference; [SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [SUP]24 [/SUP]being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, [SUP]25 [/SUP]whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, [SUP]26 [/SUP]to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
[h=3]Boasting Excluded[/h][SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, [SUP]30 [/SUP]since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
[h=3]Romans 3[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]God’s Judgment Defended[/h]3 What advantage then has the Jew, or what is the profit of circumcision? [SUP]2 [/SUP]Much in every way! Chiefly because to them were committed the oracles of God. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For what if some did not believe? Will their unbelief make the faithfulness of God without effect? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a liar. As it is written:
“That You may be justified in Your words,
And may overcome when You are judged.”[SUP][a][/SUP]
[SUP]5 [/SUP]But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unjust who inflicts wrath? (I speak as a man.) [SUP]6 [/SUP]Certainly not! For then how will God judge the world?
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For if the truth of God has increased through my lie to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? [SUP]8 [/SUP]And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”?—as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just.
[h=3]All Have Sinned[/h][SUP]9 [/SUP]What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]There is none who understands;
There is none who seeks after God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]They have all turned aside;
They have together become unprofitable;
There is none who does good, no, not one.”[SUP][b][/SUP]
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Their throat is an open tomb;
With their tongues they have practiced deceit”; [SUP][c][/SUP]
“The poison of asps is under their lips”; [SUP][d][/SUP]
[SUP]14 [/SUP]“Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”[SUP][e][/SUP]
[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Their feet are swift to shed blood;
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Destruction and misery are in their ways;
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the way of peace they have not known.”[SUP][f][/SUP]
[SUP]18 [/SUP]“There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[SUP][g][/SUP]
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
[h=3]God’s Righteousness Through Faith[/h][SUP]21 [/SUP]But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, [SUP]22 [/SUP]even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[SUP][h][/SUP] who believe. For there is no difference; [SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [SUP]24 [/SUP]being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, [SUP]25 [/SUP]whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, [SUP]26 [/SUP]to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
[h=3]Boasting Excluded[/h][SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, [SUP]30 [/SUP]since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
If no one sinned or quit completely would you and or I need him and Paul said did he lie in this:[h=3]2 Corinthians 12[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]The Vision of Paradise[/h]12 It is doubtless[SUP][a][/SUP] not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: [SUP]2 [/SUP]I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— [SUP]4 [/SUP]how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.
[h=3]The Thorn in the Flesh[/h][SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
[h=3]The Vision of Paradise[/h]12 It is doubtless[SUP][a][/SUP] not profitable for me to boast. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord: [SUP]2 [/SUP]I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago—whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows—such a one was caught up to the third heaven. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And I know such a man—whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows— [SUP]4 [/SUP]how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Of such a one I will boast; yet of myself I will not boast, except in my infirmities. [SUP]6 [/SUP]For though I might desire to boast, I will not be a fool; for I will speak the truth. But I refrain, lest anyone should think of me above what he sees me to be or hears from me.
[h=3]The Thorn in the Flesh[/h][SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
Paul did not lie when it came to the truth that he learned fro Gopd himself out in the desert, he had to first delearn everything he had been taught from child birth on it as if God placed a chalk board behind him with an eraser with chalk. God said turn around and see yoiur entire life written on the chalk board from birth to right now. Take the eraser and erase the past. Then I god will teach you truth take the chalk and start writing, then Paul went to the Apoatles and they shook hands in Fellowship Paul was to come to the Gentile teaching us by Faith without Law the Law of Moses that is it was never given to the Gentile Faith was and is in Christ the author and finisher of our faith
Are you sure sounds like a good twist when he said that God will sit on his throne. Cobus's And I did not know that anyone could of thier own accord clean themselves up perfectly before God. Well if anyone could ever have done this then Christ came in vain and we all are still in our sins. Be careful of cherry pickers not being in context everythying posted needs to be read in context at least 25 verses before that scripture used and at least 25 after it being used then you will know the meaning in context
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Cultz, the words you write above clearly state you want God to sit on your throne. So God is your creation and you are the creator.
God is the creator and we are the creation.
When Adam and Eve ate they became God's and from the point on being out of the Garden of Eden they became the creators, manipulators, had to till the ground on thier own. As population grew seperations came fights arguments over. Yes man became God. Man became an initiator, initiating this and or that then killing others or ex communicating all for thier own gain, The Flesh wants to be God, The flesh acts as if it is God.
God the only true God the Father of Jesus Christ is looking for us to give up God-hood initiating and creating for themselves while they hurt others in the process. Followiing the line of Seth to Noah, and large population ensued over this period of time Father through Christ and did not know this at this time found Noah and his family righteous because Noah considered God and wanted to know God also Noah was considerate of others even though they only thought of themselves and how they could get ahead as today is, still evil and masquerading as being good when man flesh is evil. Anyway God destroyed these evil people of that day including the Nephilim through the flood and this was the first time rain ever came upon th eearth. Every Saint that God declared righteous was and is by and through Faith in God through Christ. It is Christ's throne that God gave Christ and made him above all powers and principalities, stated in Collosians
I personally have no throne of my own and have given up this idiotic ideas of having my own. I have a throne that I participate in and that is God's throne of grace along with my advocate Christ Jesus, the Holy Ghost has brought me there in order to see truth, and be taught truth that sets ne free in his rest through belief in God
THEREFORE i HAVE CHANGED FROM AN INITIATOR TO A RESPONDER FROM BEING BORN A CREATOR AND BEING TAUGHT TO BE ONE / TO BEING A RESPONDER TO GOD THE TRUE CREATOR OF ALL
God is the creator and we are the creation.
When Adam and Eve ate they became God's and from the point on being out of the Garden of Eden they became the creators, manipulators, had to till the ground on thier own. As population grew seperations came fights arguments over. Yes man became God. Man became an initiator, initiating this and or that then killing others or ex communicating all for thier own gain, The Flesh wants to be God, The flesh acts as if it is God.
God the only true God the Father of Jesus Christ is looking for us to give up God-hood initiating and creating for themselves while they hurt others in the process. Followiing the line of Seth to Noah, and large population ensued over this period of time Father through Christ and did not know this at this time found Noah and his family righteous because Noah considered God and wanted to know God also Noah was considerate of others even though they only thought of themselves and how they could get ahead as today is, still evil and masquerading as being good when man flesh is evil. Anyway God destroyed these evil people of that day including the Nephilim through the flood and this was the first time rain ever came upon th eearth. Every Saint that God declared righteous was and is by and through Faith in God through Christ. It is Christ's throne that God gave Christ and made him above all powers and principalities, stated in Collosians
I personally have no throne of my own and have given up this idiotic ideas of having my own. I have a throne that I participate in and that is God's throne of grace along with my advocate Christ Jesus, the Holy Ghost has brought me there in order to see truth, and be taught truth that sets ne free in his rest through belief in God
THEREFORE i HAVE CHANGED FROM AN INITIATOR TO A RESPONDER FROM BEING BORN A CREATOR AND BEING TAUGHT TO BE ONE / TO BEING A RESPONDER TO GOD THE TRUE CREATOR OF ALL
[FONT="]Hi there, I am 62 years old with a lot, still not enough, of Biblical knowledge which I have gathered over the years. My studies began when I realized how many different 'Truths' their are for one thing. God is the same forever, why would one church claim that their teachings' are right and the other churches' teachings are wrong. How can two different teaching be the same thing and then claim it comes from the same God and then walk around saying that we are all praying to the same God. This cannot be true. With this mighty tool in my hand, I will discuss a few issues that many people always wondered about and could not find the true answer. The information that I will pass on to you will be information that I have gathered over many years as an individual deep delver into all the teachings out there. I will endeavor to pass only the Truth and I am always willing to change my views if you out there could provide the proof from the Bible, the only source that I use. I do not attend any church on a regular basis and is not a member of any church.
In the beginning only God existed as the only Holy Spirit. He then created Jesus Christ as His only Son, also the first created being. Jesus was a God, just as His Father and also a Holy Spirit. So, there were two Holy Spirits in heaven. He also created angels. After some time, a third of the angels rebelled against God and there was war in heaven. Jesus Christ and His angels fought against Satan and his angels and Jesus Christ won the war. Satan and his angels were cast onto this earth. The earth was still in a mess, ie. the water was not separated from the earth etc. Jesus Christ got the instruction from God to create the earth etc. and Jesus then proceeded to create the earth, animals, plants etc. and eventually Adam and Eve. This was done in 7 literal days and not 7 periods.
Satan immediately started with his deception etc. to destroy God's newest addition to His family, Adam and Eve and Satan achieved it by getting them to sin. God was very upset about this but luckily for us, God already had a Salvation Plan in place for His children to be saved. The plan was for Jesus to come to this earth to tell the people about God and to get them to follow Jesus and become children of God. But that also meant that Jesus had to give up His Godly status and to become totally man. This means that only one Holy Spirit was left in Heaven.
Mankind started filling this earth and sin grew by the day. Eventually this earth was full of sin and God was very upset. This was round about two thousand years after creation. The big flood occurred and most of mankind was destroyed. Only Noah and his family plus the animals God selected were saved.
The earth became filled up with people again and there were a lot of sin. God then decided to send His Son Jesus Christ to this earth. This was also round about two thousand years after the big flood.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem and grew up as a carpenter but also studied the written Word of God. He made sure that the written Word was in line with God's Truth as He obviously knew what was right and wrong. With the same Word, He taught many people the Truth and who God really is. He also demonstrated the power of God by healing the sick and even raised people from the dead.
You may now ask, how is it possible for a man to do these miracles. Well, God gave Jesus healing powers when He was baptized by John the baptist. So, it was the power of the Holy Spirit, which was God at that stage, that worked through Jesus Christ, that healed mankind. Jesus was only a tool that God used. There was NO other Holy Spirit on this world.
Jesus also had to teach mankind what real love is. Love towards God and towards your neighbours. A lot of people do not realize that this love is not just a warm feeling inside you. God's love is measurable. God gave His requirements to Adam and Eve already but at mount Sinai He wrote His requirements on two stone tablets and gave it to Moses. That was the Will of God or otherwise known as the Law of God or the Ten Commandments. You see, if you steal or murder someone, you show your hate towards that person but if you do not steal or murder, you show your love towards your neighbour.
The first four Commandments refer to the love towards God and the last six Commandments, the love towards your neighbour. The churches love to read these two Commandments on Sundays but do not explain the Truth within it. There will be huge financial implications in their lives if they do so.
A lot of churches today advocate that upholding God's Law, or the Will of God is not necessary anymore. It is so far from the truth. The old laws regarding circumcision, meat preparations, special Sabbaths etc. were abolished with the death of Jesus Christ, but the upholding of God's Law is still valid today. Jesus Christ held God's Law and we are instructed in His Word, that we need to uphold the Law of God until Jesus comes again. Yes, that is until Jesus Christ comes on a cloud again to collect the Saved ones, also referred to as the First Coming.
Now, most of the churches ignores one commandment of God. That is the fourth commandment regarding the Sabbath.
There is nobody on the earth that will provide me proof from the original Bible, that today's Sabbath is Sunday. Anybody who has such proof, must provide it to me and he/she will be US$50000 richer and if you cannot do that, please donate only US$10 to this web-site. I challenge all the priests, pastors and ministers of all churches to provide me with this proof. I do not want a theory based on events or what someone has said, I want the verse that quotes the fact that the Sabbath is the Sunday. The seven day cycle has never changed from creation till now. The seventh day, thousands of years ago is still the seventh day today. It is similar to a clock with the the 12 at the top.
Where did the confusion come in you may ask. Well, about 325AD, there was a Roman Emperor with the name of Constantine, also the head of the Roman Catholic Church, who brought the hour of worship on a Sunday to cater for those people who were sun-god-worshippers and changed to Christian worshipping, which meant that they could just change venues like one who would change from the Baptist Church to the Methodist Church on the same day. This usage became the norm and now, about 2000 years later, people don't realize the importance of the subtle change that Satan has implemented. Yes, Satan got it right to change God's law without people realizing it today, and that he did by using the church. Yes, most of the churches today advocate and teach that Sunday is the Sabbath day whilst Saturday is the true Sabbath day.
Now, coming back to the Law or Will of God, Jesus Christ and a lot of His disciples confirmed that if you Love God, you will obey ALL His commandments. That is the basis of true Godly love. If you ignore this fact, there is no hope for you. This is very serious. God forgives upon true repentence and only after you have done His Will. Are you one of them? Are you really repenting the breaking of the true Sabbath? Just remember, Jesus Christ held the Sabbath and He told people that if you love God, you must OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. That is the Truth, nothing more and nothing less.
What about the person who holds all the laws but do not believe in God or Jesus Christ you may ask. I doubt if anybody will uphold God's Laws and at the same time not believe in God. The first requirement to become a child of God is to accept Jesus Christ as God's Son and to believe and trust Him with your whole heart, sole and mind. Then you need to show and live your love towards God and your neigbour by upholding God's Law. If you do not fulfill this requirement, I do believe that the person who do not believe in God and Jesus Christ, will not be saved. For the person who believes and trust in Jesus Christ and God, it will not be a burden to obey the Commandments as you will enjoy doing it because you will know in your heart that you are doing what God wants you to do and you will be a better person and that salvation is possible for you.
When Jesus accomplished all the deeds that God gave Him on this earth, He had to sacrifice His life to enable mankind to be saved. Yes, Jesus took upon His shoulders all the sin of this world when He died on the cross as our Saviour. How great is that to know that we can still be saved from all our sins. We need to repent, repent and repent and to believe and trust in Jesus Christ and God.
Jesus Christ was resurrected by God and only when He went to sit on the right hand side of God, did the Holy Spirit exist on this world. I believe, that is the time when God gave Jesus Christ some of His Godly powers that He had before He gave up His deity status, back to Him which included Omnipotence, that is the ability to be in heaven and at the same time to be on this earth as the Holy Spirit. That is why Jesus said, "When two or more are gathered in My Name, there I will be." Jesus, as the true Holy Spirit, and not another person, will be amongst us.
This also solves the problem that I had with the Two Thrones in the New Jerusalem and not Three. The fact that Jesus Christ as the High Priest and still man, and God as the Holy Spirit, will be amongst their own people in the New Jerusalem, there will be no need for a third throne for a third Holy Spirit. That also clears the matter of the Trinity concept and teaching which is not true.
Well, I hope and believe that somebody out there has learnt something valuable. This is a summary of many years of studies. It is free and there is no charge. It is not everyday that you will receive something for nothing. Enjoy the reading and feel free to write to me if you feel that I have overstepped.
I thank you for your time and patience to read through this document. If you are really earnest in your search of the Real Truth, God will open your eyes to see it. Believe and Trust in Him. That is the only path.
I have given you what I believe is the real Truth and I pray that God will bless you with this knowledge.
Till next time.
God bless you all.[/FONT]
In the beginning only God existed as the only Holy Spirit. He then created Jesus Christ as His only Son, also the first created being. Jesus was a God, just as His Father and also a Holy Spirit. So, there were two Holy Spirits in heaven. He also created angels. After some time, a third of the angels rebelled against God and there was war in heaven. Jesus Christ and His angels fought against Satan and his angels and Jesus Christ won the war. Satan and his angels were cast onto this earth. The earth was still in a mess, ie. the water was not separated from the earth etc. Jesus Christ got the instruction from God to create the earth etc. and Jesus then proceeded to create the earth, animals, plants etc. and eventually Adam and Eve. This was done in 7 literal days and not 7 periods.
Satan immediately started with his deception etc. to destroy God's newest addition to His family, Adam and Eve and Satan achieved it by getting them to sin. God was very upset about this but luckily for us, God already had a Salvation Plan in place for His children to be saved. The plan was for Jesus to come to this earth to tell the people about God and to get them to follow Jesus and become children of God. But that also meant that Jesus had to give up His Godly status and to become totally man. This means that only one Holy Spirit was left in Heaven.
Mankind started filling this earth and sin grew by the day. Eventually this earth was full of sin and God was very upset. This was round about two thousand years after creation. The big flood occurred and most of mankind was destroyed. Only Noah and his family plus the animals God selected were saved.
The earth became filled up with people again and there were a lot of sin. God then decided to send His Son Jesus Christ to this earth. This was also round about two thousand years after the big flood.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem and grew up as a carpenter but also studied the written Word of God. He made sure that the written Word was in line with God's Truth as He obviously knew what was right and wrong. With the same Word, He taught many people the Truth and who God really is. He also demonstrated the power of God by healing the sick and even raised people from the dead.
You may now ask, how is it possible for a man to do these miracles. Well, God gave Jesus healing powers when He was baptized by John the baptist. So, it was the power of the Holy Spirit, which was God at that stage, that worked through Jesus Christ, that healed mankind. Jesus was only a tool that God used. There was NO other Holy Spirit on this world.
Jesus also had to teach mankind what real love is. Love towards God and towards your neighbours. A lot of people do not realize that this love is not just a warm feeling inside you. God's love is measurable. God gave His requirements to Adam and Eve already but at mount Sinai He wrote His requirements on two stone tablets and gave it to Moses. That was the Will of God or otherwise known as the Law of God or the Ten Commandments. You see, if you steal or murder someone, you show your hate towards that person but if you do not steal or murder, you show your love towards your neighbour.
The first four Commandments refer to the love towards God and the last six Commandments, the love towards your neighbour. The churches love to read these two Commandments on Sundays but do not explain the Truth within it. There will be huge financial implications in their lives if they do so.
A lot of churches today advocate that upholding God's Law, or the Will of God is not necessary anymore. It is so far from the truth. The old laws regarding circumcision, meat preparations, special Sabbaths etc. were abolished with the death of Jesus Christ, but the upholding of God's Law is still valid today. Jesus Christ held God's Law and we are instructed in His Word, that we need to uphold the Law of God until Jesus comes again. Yes, that is until Jesus Christ comes on a cloud again to collect the Saved ones, also referred to as the First Coming.
Now, most of the churches ignores one commandment of God. That is the fourth commandment regarding the Sabbath.
There is nobody on the earth that will provide me proof from the original Bible, that today's Sabbath is Sunday. Anybody who has such proof, must provide it to me and he/she will be US$50000 richer and if you cannot do that, please donate only US$10 to this web-site. I challenge all the priests, pastors and ministers of all churches to provide me with this proof. I do not want a theory based on events or what someone has said, I want the verse that quotes the fact that the Sabbath is the Sunday. The seven day cycle has never changed from creation till now. The seventh day, thousands of years ago is still the seventh day today. It is similar to a clock with the the 12 at the top.
Where did the confusion come in you may ask. Well, about 325AD, there was a Roman Emperor with the name of Constantine, also the head of the Roman Catholic Church, who brought the hour of worship on a Sunday to cater for those people who were sun-god-worshippers and changed to Christian worshipping, which meant that they could just change venues like one who would change from the Baptist Church to the Methodist Church on the same day. This usage became the norm and now, about 2000 years later, people don't realize the importance of the subtle change that Satan has implemented. Yes, Satan got it right to change God's law without people realizing it today, and that he did by using the church. Yes, most of the churches today advocate and teach that Sunday is the Sabbath day whilst Saturday is the true Sabbath day.
Now, coming back to the Law or Will of God, Jesus Christ and a lot of His disciples confirmed that if you Love God, you will obey ALL His commandments. That is the basis of true Godly love. If you ignore this fact, there is no hope for you. This is very serious. God forgives upon true repentence and only after you have done His Will. Are you one of them? Are you really repenting the breaking of the true Sabbath? Just remember, Jesus Christ held the Sabbath and He told people that if you love God, you must OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. That is the Truth, nothing more and nothing less.
What about the person who holds all the laws but do not believe in God or Jesus Christ you may ask. I doubt if anybody will uphold God's Laws and at the same time not believe in God. The first requirement to become a child of God is to accept Jesus Christ as God's Son and to believe and trust Him with your whole heart, sole and mind. Then you need to show and live your love towards God and your neigbour by upholding God's Law. If you do not fulfill this requirement, I do believe that the person who do not believe in God and Jesus Christ, will not be saved. For the person who believes and trust in Jesus Christ and God, it will not be a burden to obey the Commandments as you will enjoy doing it because you will know in your heart that you are doing what God wants you to do and you will be a better person and that salvation is possible for you.
When Jesus accomplished all the deeds that God gave Him on this earth, He had to sacrifice His life to enable mankind to be saved. Yes, Jesus took upon His shoulders all the sin of this world when He died on the cross as our Saviour. How great is that to know that we can still be saved from all our sins. We need to repent, repent and repent and to believe and trust in Jesus Christ and God.
Jesus Christ was resurrected by God and only when He went to sit on the right hand side of God, did the Holy Spirit exist on this world. I believe, that is the time when God gave Jesus Christ some of His Godly powers that He had before He gave up His deity status, back to Him which included Omnipotence, that is the ability to be in heaven and at the same time to be on this earth as the Holy Spirit. That is why Jesus said, "When two or more are gathered in My Name, there I will be." Jesus, as the true Holy Spirit, and not another person, will be amongst us.
This also solves the problem that I had with the Two Thrones in the New Jerusalem and not Three. The fact that Jesus Christ as the High Priest and still man, and God as the Holy Spirit, will be amongst their own people in the New Jerusalem, there will be no need for a third throne for a third Holy Spirit. That also clears the matter of the Trinity concept and teaching which is not true.
Well, I hope and believe that somebody out there has learnt something valuable. This is a summary of many years of studies. It is free and there is no charge. It is not everyday that you will receive something for nothing. Enjoy the reading and feel free to write to me if you feel that I have overstepped.
I thank you for your time and patience to read through this document. If you are really earnest in your search of the Real Truth, God will open your eyes to see it. Believe and Trust in Him. That is the only path.
I have given you what I believe is the real Truth and I pray that God will bless you with this knowledge.
Till next time.
God bless you all.[/FONT]