Is The Mosaic Law Beneficial For Those Who Have Faith?

just-me · Jul 26, 2013

So you are saying that the Mosaic Law keeps us away from God? God is love. Why would He give us something that would keep us from His presences? That doesn't make ant sense. When I read the Levitical law, I see things that are a "sweet smelling savor unto God." I am saddened that you can't. If you haven't already read it (and it sounds as if you haven't) there are blessings and acceptance in the law. Condemn condemn condemn. That's all you can see?

eternally-gratefull · Jul 26, 2013

just-me said:

No. that is what the bible says. It says all the law can do is condemn.

Yes, that is why he sent his son, to do what the law failed to do. which was make us right with him.

To show us THAT we need, and WHAT we NEED to enter his presence. if we did not have the law. we would never look for Chist, that is why he gave us the law

we don;t see things the same.

When I look at the law. I see condemnation, because I can;t keep it the way God requires (perfection) Thus it does what it was intended to do. leads me to Christ.

Here is the problem.

If we are not prone to a particular sin Say like adultery (because we love our wife) , We do not need the law. Because we would never be tempted even if the opportunity arises.

The only time I would look at the law is if I was prone to it. In other words, I am tempted because my flesh wants to do it. But then looking at the law is dangerous. If I look at God and th elaw od faith and love, Temptation can not touch me. If I look at the law. I am constantly reminded (don't so this don't do this..And in doing so. I can;t forget what I want to do. Thus temptation grows. And as paul said in romans 7.

[SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me.

Thus if I go by law. My flesh wins and does what it desires. Where if I go by faith and love, Sin can't touch me.

just-me · Jul 26, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

That's what I said before. Nevertheless, having the same name is really cool. We can both write our names the same way.

Grandpa · Jul 26, 2013

just-me said:

That is exactly right. The Mosaic Law keeps you away from God.

Because you don't believe the Lord Jesus takes care of your sin. You think you have to do it.

We come to Him by faith. He makes us clean.

If we are busy trying to clean ourselves we have turned our backs on the Only One who has any power to clean us.

Christ has become of no effect to you. The Power of His Blood wasn't enough. You needed to add your works to it.

The Law was given to bring you to faith in Christ. After you have come to faith in Christ you have come to the SOURCE of ALL BLESSING.

The law is not the source. Your work is not the source.

Galatians 3:1-3
[SUP]1[/SUP]O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
[SUP]2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

eternally-gratefull · Jul 26, 2013

Focusing on law has many dangers. Most of which (and I have witnessed it many times) You think you are more righteous than you are. Becaue your not focused on Christ, but self. And a few (pet sins) which are written. Thus you can not see the sin we all commit on a daily basis. This leads us to a deserved false impression that we should be blessed because we are so good. and a lack of understanding how sinful we really are.

The other thing is we get frustrated and give up. Because no matter how hard we try, we keep screwing up. And there seems to be no hope. Why Bother? I am condemned. I can;t do what God wants, so there is no way he loves me and would let me in.

I have seen both of these situations in major ways when I attended a church which focused on law.

zone · Jul 26, 2013

those who think they keep the Law (which the Apostles said was a yoke they nor their fathers could bear)...hold the Law in low regard, since it has been degraded to their elevated sense of performance.

it's a crazy place to be.

there was only ONE who could claim to be justified by the Law - and He didn't need to be justified.

WomanLovesTX · Jul 26, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.

Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with any kind of church. Can you share more about what happened that turned you away?

just-me · Jul 26, 2013

For those of you who define the law as sin, I have a question, which could be answered with a one syllable word: if God can issue sin toward us through His law, what does Satan issue toward us taking into account that God and satan are at opposite ends of the spectrum?

WomanLovesTX · Jul 26, 2013

There are many who read Galatians 3:10-13 and conclude that God’s law is a curse and anyone that follows God’s law is under that curse. But is that really what Paul is stating? According to scripture, how is a curse related to God’s law and what places us under it? Why are we cursed? Are we cursed for following God’s law, or not following God’s law (sin)? If our Savior takes away the curse of the law does He take away the whole law (blessings too) or just the curse of God’s law? To understand Paul correctly we need to be able to answer these questions. Ga 3:10 For as many as are of works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Ga 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree: Galatians is perhaps the single letter of Paul that is the cause of the most confusion surrounding God’s law. Once someone discovers that the whole Bible is true and that nothing in God’s Word is abolished it is not long before someone states “go read Galatians again.” This is because many mistakenly believe Galatians teaches against obedience to God's law. In reality Paul is correcting the false doctrine of salvation through God’s law (legalism). As a result, Paul teaches throughout the letter the correct and simple Biblical process of salvation in faith by grace to counter this false doctrine. Nowhere does Paul teach against obedience to God’s law, just against the doctrine of salvation by God’s law. It is the ability to discern the difference between legalism and obedience that enables a reader of Paul’s letter to draw sound doctrinal conclusions. Confusing legalism with obedience is the root cause of all interpretive error in the letter to the Galatians.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 26, 2013

just-me said:

Satan can offer you the law also. He has been doing it for thousands of years. Getting people to think they are righteous, and God loves them because they obey the law.

In doing so he hides the fact that we can never be made righteous, or never be righteous by the law.. It takes our focus off God.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 26, 2013

WomanLovesTX said:

Seeing people hide sin, And be seen as hypocrites when they were found out.

Seeing people walk away, because they could never be good enough.

Seeing people judge others because they do not live up to our standard

Seeing people condemn others without even giving them a chance to be saved

Seeing people be self righteous, and shunn anyone and everyone who they think are not as Good as they are.

I can go on and on and on..

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jul 26, 2013

just-me said:

Why do you folks keep misrepresenting what we're saying? No one here that I know of says the law is sin. The law isn't sin. Neither does GOD doesn't issue sin towards us via the law. The law's perfection reveals your depravity.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jul 26, 2013

zone said:

Those who claim they keep the law are in denial of their own sin...

WomanLovesTX · Jul 26, 2013

eternally-gratefull said:

The law (Torah) does not take your focus off of God or Christ. To say the commandments and law turns you away from the giver of the law and commandments is Satan's lie and any who believe this have obviously accepted a lie. No where in the Torah does it teach law versus grace. Grace was given first before the laws and it is same with Christ's sacrifice, grace before laws. Jesus is the Word. Torah obedience is a covenant that is now written on our hearts. It is through the giving to us Holy Spirit and is the sign of which God we serve and love.

Blain · Jul 26, 2013

WomanLovesTX said:

She's right, besides the only people who allow the law to take their eyes off God are the ones who go coocoo and become obsessed with the then claim they keep it then say they are righteous and everyone else are sinners. By the way I am from Texas too:b

just-me · Jul 26, 2013

Originally Posted by just-me
So you are saying that the Mosaic Law keeps us away from God?

eternally-gratefull said:

Originally Posted by just-me
For those of you who define the law as sin, I have a question, which could be answered with a one syllable word: if God can issue sin toward us through His law, what does Satan issue toward us taking into account that God and satan are at opposite ends of the spectrum?

eternally-gratefull said:

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Are you guys saying the same thing, or am I missing something here?

just-me · Jul 26, 2013

The law did not instigate transgression because transgression came first – the law did not come first. Therefore, transgression and law are not the same. Transgression produces condemnation.

Galatians 3:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

just-me · Jul 26, 2013

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Grandpa said:

I don’t keep the works of the law to be self justified, so you’re preaching to the choir if that's what you guys think those of us that advocate the law as good for the believer. I just disagree that the law God gave to Moses was imperfect. The reason it failed was because of iniquity found in the human such as we all are. I still see some variance in the above statements. They seem to be somewhat contradictive. I agree with HeRoseFromTheDead, but I disagree with Grandpa. Even though I’m a grampa too. God bless ya man!! really

just-me · Jul 26, 2013

I thought that I'd post again what I did several pages ago, to help those that see the law as nothing but condemnation and, or something that keeps us away from God. I would ask us to strongly consider this law, that I see, as current actions by the saving power of Jesus which continues to fill us with His Holy Spirit. I call it the law of cleansing at this point in my life.

Leviticus 14:36-57 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Then the priest shall command that they empty the house, before the priest go into it to see the plague, that all that is in the house be not made unclean: and afterward the priest shall go in to see the house:
[SUP]37 [/SUP]And he shall look on the plague, and, behold, if the plague be in the walls of the house with hollow strakes, greenish or reddish, which in sight are lower than the wall;
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Then the priest shall go out of the house to the door of the house, and shut up the house seven days:
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And the priest shall come again the seventh day, and shall look: and, behold, if the plague be spread in the walls of the house;
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Then the priest shall command that they take away the stones in which the plague is, and they shall cast them into an unclean place without the city:
[SUP]41 [/SUP]And he shall cause the house to be scraped within round about, and they shall pour out the dust that they scrape off without the city into an unclean place:
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And they shall take other stones, and put them in the place of those stones; and he shall take other morter, and shall plaister the house.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]And if the plague come again, and break out in the house, after that he hath taken away the stones, and after he hath scraped the house, and after it is plaistered;
[SUP]44 [/SUP]Then the priest shall come and look, and, behold, if the plague be spread in the house, it is a fretting leprosy in the house: it is unclean.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And he shall break down the house, the stones of it, and the timber thereof, and all the morter of the house; and he shall carry them forth out of the city into an unclean place.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]Moreover he that goeth into the house all the while that it is shut up shall be unclean until the even.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]And he that lieth in the house shall wash his clothes; and he that eateth in the house shall wash his clothes.
[SUP]48 [/SUP]And if the priest shall come in, and look upon it, and, behold, the plague hath not spread in the house, after the house was plaistered: then the priest shall pronounce the house clean, because the plague is healed.
[SUP]49 [/SUP]And he shall take to cleanse the house two birds, and cedar wood, and scarlet, and hyssop:
[SUP]50 [/SUP]And he shall kill the one of the birds in an earthen vessel over running water:
[SUP]51 [/SUP]And he shall take the cedar wood, and the hyssop, and the scarlet, and the living bird, and dip them in the blood of the slain bird, and in the running water, and sprinkle the house seven times:
[SUP]52 [/SUP]And he shall cleanse the house with the blood of the bird, and with the running water, and with the living bird, and with the cedar wood, and with the hyssop, and with the scarlet:
[SUP]53 [/SUP]But he shall let go the living bird out of the city into the open fields, and make an atonement for the house: and it shall be clean.
[SUP]54 [/SUP]This is the law for all manner of plague of leprosy, and scall,
[SUP]55 [/SUP]And for the leprosy of a garment, and of a house,
[SUP]56 [/SUP]And for a rising, and for a scab, and for a bright spot:
[SUP]57 [/SUP]To teach when it is unclean, and when it is clean: this is the law of leprosy.

This scripture has been very uplifting to me, explaining a restoration after having been given the gift of faith. To me, it explains how the high Priest (Christ Jesus) has the power to clean the house (me) after welcoming Him in, to see the corruption of my fleshly nature, with vacant holes that need to be filled. Verse 37 and 44
There were 7 days between Jesus entering Jerusalem, and His resurrection, 7 being the number, or letter “Zayin” (completeness) relating to food and nourishment, being the picture of a mattock (in the Hebrew pictorial) that prepares the ground, or heart. Relate to the parable of the sower and the seed. Verse 38
He will take corruption away, in the process as He determines, on the cross outside the city walls. Verse 41 and 45
He will baptize me and pronounce me clean before the Father. Verse 48 and 52
Cedar wood=known for it’s strength and deep root, even though the cross was Dogwood as I understand, and it doesn’t rot as other woods do.
Scarlet=blood
Hyssop=it is mentioned in Psalm 51 of the Bible as a Spiritual Purifying Agent, as it is written: Cleanse me with HYSSOP; wash me and I shall be whiter than snow. Verse 49

His flesh shall be the sacrifice of cleansing. Verse 50
The living bird is likened unto the scapegoat in Leviticus 16:8 (Az’azel) verse 53
Even though I know I see very little of the entire picture God is showing to me, this law has been uplifting to me, being a believer in Christ Jesus, knowing he continues to clean me up, when I confess my sinful nature. It helps me to see, and understand what dying daily means. May God bless you with these thoughts that are so deep and profound.

Donkeyfish07 · Jul 26, 2013

1 Timothy 5-8

[SUP]"5 [/SUP]Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

[SUP]6 [/SUP]From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

[SUP]8[/SUP]But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;"

That's the entire answer to the original question

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