Is vegetarianism wrong?

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john832

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Meat wasn't eaten before the Fall because God had not given it...the only thing forbidden to eat was from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
It wasn't until after the flood that God gave permission and provision to eat meat.

He did not say those who refused to eat meat were weak Christians.. Those who were UNABLE to eat meat due to their troubled conscience were considered weak in the faith. If a christian determines between himself and God not to eat meat, that is not weak.
Cross my friend, people understood and apparently ate meat prior to the flood...

Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Clean and unclean were understood prior to the flood.
 

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1 Timothy 4:1-5 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
I see you emphasized verse 4 and ignored verse 5...

1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

There are actually two conditions here that are to be met...

Verse 4...

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

It must be received with thanksgiving and verse 5...

1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

sanctified:

G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
hag-ee-ad'-zo
From G40; to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate: - hallow, be holy, sanctify.

It must be set apart by the Word of God. Thayer has this...

G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
Thayer Definition:
1) to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow
2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
2a) consecrate things to God
2b) dedicate people to God
3) to purify
3a) to cleanse externally
3b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
3c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G40
Citing in TDNT: 1:111, 14

Now where do we find meats set apart in the Word of God?

Lev 11 and Deut 14.

Let's apply ALL of the scripture here.
 

john832

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GEN 9

3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things
That include puffer fish and poison dart frog?
 
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i'm not a flesh eater because the animals are my friends, simple as that. i would rather thank the cow for mowing the grass, than to thank it for dying for me to eat, would rather thank the chicken for planting seed, than thanking it for dying so i could eat. would rather thank a sheep for its wool to keep me warm, rather than seeing it slaughtered. the main reason i'm vegetarian, is to be as much at peace with the Creator and His creation as i can, health is just one of the benefits. A lot of people forget about Daniel, i think if Daniel would have eaten the Kings meal, the lions may not have been so nice.
 

john832

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Lol this escalated quickly. I was just wondering because I feel bad for animals that have to die so I can eat them. I can't even kill a fish without crying and telling it I'm sorry lol.
But they were given to serve us...

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

And clean animals were made to eat...

Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

But if one chooses to be a vegetarian, that is fine also.

Here is where Rom 14 actually applies...

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
 
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But they were given to serve us...

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

And clean animals were made to eat...

Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

But if one chooses to be a vegetarian, that is fine also.

Here is where Rom 14 actually applies...

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Yes, God had sanctified meat since the fall, but it wasn't this way in the beginning as divorcing your wives wasn't as well. Things has changed since sin enter, and so God had made certain accommodations since sin was in us.
 

VCO

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I see you emphasized verse 4 and ignored verse 5...

1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

There are actually two conditions here that are to be met...

Verse 4...

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

It must be received with thanksgiving and verse 5...

1Ti 4:5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

sanctified:

G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
hag-ee-ad'-zo
From G40; to make holy, that is, (ceremonially) purify or consecrate; (mentally) to venerate: - hallow, be holy, sanctify.

It must be set apart by the Word of God. Thayer has this...

G37
ἁγιάζω
hagiazō
Thayer Definition:
1) to render or acknowledge, or to be venerable or hallow
2) to separate from profane things and dedicate to God
2a) consecrate things to God
2b) dedicate people to God
3) to purify
3a) to cleanse externally
3b) to purify by expiation: free from the guilt of sin
3c) to purify internally by renewing of the soul
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G40
Citing in TDNT: 1:111, 14

Now where do we find meats set apart in the Word of God?

Lev 11 and Deut 14.

Let's apply ALL of the scripture here.
Yes let's do:

Genesis 9:3 (ESV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Acts 11:6-9 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Looking at it closely, I observed animals and beasts of prey and reptiles and birds of the air.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Rise, Peter; kill and eat.’ {Peter is not a vegetarian and neither does GOD expect us to be.}
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But I said, ‘By no means, Lord; for nothing common or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But the voice answered a second time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’

The primary purpose for the Dietary Laws was keep Israel separate from the pagan Genitiles who had lavish Feasts frequently including Roasted Pig and usually ending in orgies, thus Keeping the people of Israel pure spiritually until Messiah came and started building His Church where HE wanted the two peoples to become one people, who Loved and Served Messiah as LORD, which means Master:

John 10:15-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]
And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."


The time of separation is PAST, it ended the night of Peter's Dream, which ended the time of the dietary laws, now the LORD wants us to be ONE, His Chosen Bride.

Acts 11:2-4 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him
[SUP]3 [/SUP] and said, "You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Peter began and explained everything to them precisely as it had happened:

And thus we continually are still being CRITICIZED by those who think we are to continue to keep the Dietary Laws, and the Laws of Ellen White, who secretly was eating meat, shrimp, and oysters, while her book was being sold and or distributed.

Vegetarianism is therefore still just a personal choice and nothing more, so anyone who wants to thinks Vegan is God's will for everyone, be careful, lest you cross the line.



1 Timothy 4:1-5 (ASV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by them that believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer.
 

john832

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Yes let's do:

Genesis 9:3 (ESV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.
You missed the part about clean and unclean...

Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Lev 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Now what ceremony is mentioned here? NONE.

Deu 14:3 Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.

There are things which are not food, they are abominable...

H8441
תּעבה תּועבה
tô‛êbah tô‛êbah
to-ay-baw', to-ay-baw'
Feminine active participle of H8581; properly something disgusting (morally), that is, (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol: - abominable (custom, thing), abomination.




Acts 11:6-9 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Looking at it closely, I observed animals and beasts of prey and reptiles and birds of the air.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Rise, Peter; kill and eat.’ {Peter is not a vegetarian and neither does GOD expect us to be.}
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But I said, ‘By no means, Lord; for nothing common or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But the voice answered a second time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’
And immediately Peter ran down stairs and ordered up surf and turf with a shrimp cocktail appetizer. No, wait,

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

The three times was to signal three men and yet Peter did not understand the vision. He did not immediately say "Gimme a pork chop."

Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
Act 11:11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Act 11:12 And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

And you can search both chapter 10 and 11 diligently an dyou will find NO PLACE where it is mentioned that unclean meat is cleansed. The Jews considered Gentiles unclean and abominable. God used the most vivid vision He could to impress on Peter that the Gentiles could be cleansed by repentance and baptism just as he was.

He wondered what the vision meant. So the summation was this...




The primary purpose for the Dietary Laws was keep Israel separate from the pagan Genitiles who had lavish Feasts frequently including Roasted Pig and usually ending in orgies, thus Keeping the people of Israel pure spiritually until Messiah came and started building His Church where HE wanted the two peoples to become one people, who Loved and Served Messiah as LORD, which means Master:

John 10:15-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]
And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."


The time of separation is PAST, it ended the night of Peter's Dream, which ended the time of the dietary laws, now the LORD wants us to be ONE, His Chosen Bride.


That is the meaning of Acts 10-11, nowhere does it make nonfood food.


Acts 11:2-4 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him
[SUP]3 [/SUP] and said, "You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Peter began and explained everything to them precisely as it had happened:

No mention of food here.

And thus we continually are still being CRITICIZED by those who think we are to continue to keep the Dietary Laws, and the Laws of Ellen White, who secretly was eating meat, shrimp, and oysters, while her book was being sold and or distributed.


Your wasting that line on me, I am not an SDA and disagree with many of their doctrines.

Vegetarianism is therefore still just a personal choice and nothing more, so anyone who wants to thinks Vegan is God's will for everyone, be careful, lest you cross the line.
Never said it was, in fact I said it was a personal choice previously in this thread.


1 Timothy 4:1-5 (ASV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by them that believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer.
Yep and what is sanctified by the Word of God?

Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14.
 
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LOL, and it sure tastes a lot better than a plate of beans, celery, and carrot sticks.

Have you ever wondered why so much of the Vegan food in the frozen food section, is made to look like meat?

Vegan dogs instead of Hot Dogs, Vegan Burgers instead of Hamburgers, etc.

WHY? Because they would really rather have Meat.
HAHAHHA I agree for sure...deep down they want to eat a bacon wrapped fillet HAHAH or some brisket smoked and barbequed or some thick boneless tenderloin pork chops on the grill HAHAH..MAN I am hungry all of a sudden HAH
 

VCO

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You missed the part about clean and unclean...

Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

Lev 11:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.

Lev 11:46 This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
Lev 11:47 To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.

Now what ceremony is mentioned here? NONE.

Deu 14:3 Thou shalt not eat any abominable thing.

There are things which are not food, they are abominable...

H8441
תּעבה תּועבה
tô‛êbah tô‛êbah
to-ay-baw', to-ay-baw'
Feminine active participle of H8581; properly something disgusting (morally), that is, (as noun) an abhorrence; especially idolatry or (concretely) an idol: - abominable (custom, thing), abomination.






And immediately Peter ran down stairs and ordered up surf and turf with a shrimp cocktail appetizer. No, wait,

Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,

Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

The three times was to signal three men and yet Peter did not understand the vision. He did not immediately say "Gimme a pork chop."

Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
Act 11:11 And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
Act 11:12 And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
Act 11:13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
Act 11:14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

And you can search both chapter 10 and 11 diligently an dyou will find NO PLACE where it is mentioned that unclean meat is cleansed. The Jews considered Gentiles unclean and abominable. God used the most vivid vision He could to impress on Peter that the Gentiles could be cleansed by repentance and baptism just as he was.

He wondered what the vision meant. So the summation was this...






That is the meaning of Acts 10-11, nowhere does it make nonfood food.





No mention of food here.



Your wasting that line on me, I am not an SDA and disagree with many of their doctrines.



Never said it was, in fact I said it was a personal choice previously in this thread.




Yep and what is sanctified by the Word of God?

Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14.

WRONG guess. It was all sanctified during Peters DREAM.

Acts 10:11-16 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."
[SUP]14 [/SUP]"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

God put an end to the Dietary Laws that separated Jews from Gentiles that very day.
 
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The dream was to informed Peter to repent from the old ways to a new better direction. When a person received something from another for sharing what they have offered, in return for what they has shared, they offer them food like a lamb or goat dinner ( Thanksgiving ); but the gentile didn't offered those creatures as a meal, but they had offered the foods that they are accustom to. And if the one that they had offered it to must not refuse or the gentiles will refuse what they had shared with them (The word). But since the gentiles had absorbed what you had offered to them(The word), in respect, you should receive it with thanks. But Peter couldn't eat anything that is unclean, and so God had sent Paul instead.
 

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I think everyone know what are mountain goat oyster are; and if you were stationed in Turkey, most likely you were eating lamb, chicken, or goat; it is very hard to find pork in that country. My dad was born in the mid twenties and he was from the heartlands. He had struggle in those days, but he was blessed before we were born with a great paying job. But he didn't wanted his kids growing up soft , and so he had us doing lots of manual labor. We were taught how to raise a garden without store bought fertilizer, and we had dug up the whole garden by using a shovel only and which he didn't wore shoe. And we had raised chickens and use their poop for the garden an the rest of it in a pile with dirt and had kept it wet to raise worm to use as bait to go fishing with. And after the fall, we had to turn up over the dirt with the plants in the ground of the garden so over the winter that the dead garden plants will keep the garden earth filled with nutrients ( a natural clean nitrogen). My dad was from the very old days, struggling through the Great Depression, and so he known how to utilize with limited resources and which he wasn't wasteful. Before he had past on, he had clothes that he still had wore since the sixties and he had kept them up like new.

Andrew Zimmerman from the show called"Bizarre Foods" eat all sorts of filthy things, but he didn't had it hard. God has given mercy on those that had to eat unclean because they didn't had Him with them to show them what to eat, and what not to eat. Do you know that sushi is a barbarian dish? They had to wrapped the fish with rice and seed weed and buried it in the ground to preserve it, because they didn't had refrigeration to keep their food preserved.
LOL, SO! They eat it too, LOL. I ate Sushi on Okinawa, and still eat it occasionally at a local Chinese Buffet. Why did the Mongolian Barbarians not cook their food over a FIRE, during raiding attacks on other countries? Because Genghis Khan ordered NO CAMPFIRES so that the enemy had no idea were Barbarians were camped. Thus uncooked menus were developed, and if they wanted a hot meal at the end of a day, they were to ride with pieces of the meat and vegetables in a goats stomach, and placed under their saddles, where they rode all day sitting on it. Thus the body heat of the horse was the original slow cooker. I learned to make stir fried Mongolian Barbecue on Okinawa, and I still make it two or three times a month, I love it. I still have not developed uncontrollable urges to build and sleep in a Mongolian yurt. My how you grasp at straws to try to make the Dietary Laws still relavent, when GOD put an end to them in Peter's dream.

Maybe you will hear the truth from Jesus:

Matthew 15:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man."

Matthew 15:16-20 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Jesus said, "Are you still lacking in understanding also?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "Do you not understand that everything that goes into the mouth passes into the stomach, and is eliminated?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] "But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man."

NOW please take take this next quote from a Christian brother, who does respect your personal conviction and your right to choose your diet. This portion of Scripture is a MAJOR part of the basis for my personal beliefs about whether the Dietary Laws apply to Christians today, I show you this so that you can better understand me. I am not trying to push you to my understanding:

1 Corinthians 8:1-13 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
[SUP]6 [/SUP] yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if anyone sees you who have knowledge eating in an idol's temple, will not the conscience of him who is weak be emboldened to eat those things offered to idols?
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And because of your knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
[SUP]12 [/SUP] But when you thus sin against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, you sin against Christ.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat meat, lest I make my brother stumble.
 
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First of all, Daniel was NOT a vegetarian. The he did not want to defile himself with "THE KINGS MEAT" because that meat was normally offered unto their pagan Gods. It never says Daniel didn't eat meat at all, he just didn't want to eat THAT meat so he asked for pulse.

Concerning those that don't eat meat being weak, if you read 1 Corinthians 8, you will find out that it wasn't just that they didn't want to eat meat. They didn't want to eat meat that was offered unto idols because their conscience was weak. I have not studied this personally, but I have been told that alot of times back in those days, the meat from the marketplace was offered unto idols as sacrifice before they sold it in the marketplace. Now if you used to worship those idols, then you came to the knowledge of the truth that there is only one God and the idols don't even exist, then you could eat the meat in Jesus name and have no problem. However there were some that had been converted that still had a weak conscience and could not eat that meat. So Paul say either way is ok. You have to face God with your conscience and as long as you are doing what you do to honor God, go ahead either way.

Being vegetarian is not wrong, its just a shame! LOL! (just joking guys, just joking) If you don't want to eat meat, thats ok. Just pass me all the extra ribs, pork chops, and whatever else you can find! When you are weak, I will be STRONG!!!
 
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First of all, Daniel was NOT a vegetarian. The he did not want to defile himself with "THE KINGS MEAT" because that meat was normally offered unto their pagan Gods. It never says Daniel didn't eat meat at all, he just didn't want to eat THAT meat so he asked for pulse.

Concerning those that don't eat meat being weak, if you read 1 Corinthians 8, you will find out that it wasn't just that they didn't want to eat meat. They didn't want to eat meat that was offered unto idols because their conscience was weak. I have not studied this personally, but I have been told that alot of times back in those days, the meat from the marketplace was offered unto idols as sacrifice before they sold it in the marketplace. Now if you used to worship those idols, then you came to the knowledge of the truth that there is only one God and the idols don't even exist, then you could eat the meat in Jesus name and have no problem. However there were some that had been converted that still had a weak conscience and could not eat that meat. So Paul say either way is ok. You have to face God with your conscience and as long as you are doing what you do to honor God, go ahead either way.

Being vegetarian is not wrong, its just a shame! LOL! (just joking guys, just joking) If you don't want to eat meat, thats ok. Just pass me all the extra ribs, pork chops, and whatever else you can find! When you are weak, I will be STRONG!!!
I'm guessing that you should tell that to Daniel....

Daniel 1:11 Daniel then said to the guard whom the chief official had appointed over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah, 12 “Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. 13 Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see.” 14 So he agreed to this and tested them for ten days.

15 At the end of the ten days they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the royal food. 16 So the guard took away their choice food and the wine they were to drink and gave them vegetables instead.
 

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I'm guessing that you should tell that to Daniel....

Daniel 1:11 Daniel then said to the guard whom the chief official had appointed over Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael and Azariah, 12 “Please test your servants for ten days: Give us nothing but vegetables to eat and water to drink. 13 Then compare our appearance with that of the young men who eat the royal food, and treat your servants in accordance with what you see.” 14 So he agreed to this and tested them for ten days.

15 At the end of the ten days they looked healthier and better nourished than any of the young men who ate the royal food. 16 So the guard took away their choice food and the wine they were to drink and gave them vegetables instead.
[h=1]Romans 14:11-23King James Version (KJV)[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
 
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kennethcadwell

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This is not a way to live by. There are nutrients and vitamins that the body needs that vegetables do not provide. By the bible standards of vegetarianism it was used to cleans the body. It helps the body to get rid of impurities faster, and then once cleansed you were to go back to eating a normal diet of meat, vegetables, bread, and dairy.
 
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That include puffer fish and poison dart frog?
Japanese eat puffer fish as a delicacy and poison dart frog poison is used to bring down monkeys, birds etc. HAHHAH
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This is not a way to live by. There are nutrients and vitamins that the body needs that vegetables do not provide. By the bible standards of vegetarianism it was used to cleans the body. It helps the body to get rid of impurities faster, and then once cleansed you were to go back to eating a normal diet of meat, vegetables, bread, and dairy.


Almost sounds like a FDA commercial! HAHAHA
 
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I know, just making a long well established way of eating for a healthy life.......lol
No doubt...I had my four food groups tonight

Cheese burger

Meat, dairy, bread, pickles HAHAH does this count?