Is vegetarianism wrong?

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john832

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You can not compare animals to us for their digestive system is different then ours.

Example: Some things that our healthy to us are poisonous to certain animals.
Carefully notice that clean animals' digestive tract differs from those that are unclean.
 

john832

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Japanese eat puffer fish as a delicacy and poison dart frog poison is used to bring down monkeys, birds etc. HAHHAH
:cool:
Some sources claim that about 100 people die each year from fugu poisoning, while others sources say only 10 to 20 per year.
Care to give it a try?
 

john832

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No I have not bro...is it good and where are they located as the name does not seem familiar....
It is a chain. They make amazing hamburgers and fries. Best I have tasted (other than homemade on the backyard grill).
 

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http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/94974-vegetarianism-wrong-5.html#post1602686
And my son-inlaw who is obviously younger than me looks at least ten years older than me, and he has been a vegetarian all of his life. I still have all of my dark brown hair with some very slight greying at the temples and I am 65 and have NEVER USED ANY HAIR DIE. He has been totally grey and loosing hair for YEARS.

So what is your point.
 
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And my son-inlaw who is obviously younger than me looks at least ten years older than me, and he has been a vegetarian all of his life. I still have all of my dark brown hair with some very slight greying at the temples and I am 65 and have NEVER USED ANY HAIR DIE. He has been totally grey and loosing hair for YEARS.

So what is your point.
Your son-in-law need to be well knowledge about foods before becoming a veggie. What it sound like to me is that he isn't getting a lot of protein and fats. He should eat a lot of Spanish peanuts and black walnut, and some bean like kidney bean and so on for protein... And he should eat a lot of olives, Avocados, and lots of oils for fats. Lot of vegetarians had made the mistake not consuming a lots of these foods because a fear of getting fat or over weight. Being a vegetarian, the body digesting foods real fast that a person need to put more in to keep everything up to par. Cows are vegetarians but they must keep on grazing or they will shrivel up like an old woman because the body is eliminating what they had consumed quickly. He need food that also contains folic acid, vitamin A, and niacin for his nervous system. I do know one thing is when a mother-in-law be around a lot, gray hairs always appearing from out of nowhere.
 

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Your son-in-law need to be well knowledge about foods before becoming a veggie. What it sound like to me is that he isn't getting a lot of protein and fats. He should eat a lot of Spanish peanuts and black walnut, and some bean like kidney bean and so on for protein... And he should eat a lot of olives, Avocados, and lots of oils for fats. Lot of vegetarians had made the mistake not consuming a lots of these foods because a fear of getting fat or over weight. Being a vegetarian, the body digesting foods real fast that a person need to put more in to keep everything up to par. Cows are vegetarians but they must keep on grazing or they will shrivel up like an old woman because the body is eliminating what they had consumed quickly. He need food that also contains folic acid, vitamin A, and niacin for his nervous system. I do know one thing is when a mother-in-law be around a lot, gray hairs always appearing from out of nowhere.
Or your whole theory is plumb full of holes and thus it holds no real water. My son-in-law by the way, is a Dentist and studied nutrition. Oh, and my mother-in-law was one of my absolute favorite people to talk to about the Bible. We were great friends too, and I sure miss her since the Lord took her home.
 

VCO

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Ever go to Five Guys?

It can't be as good as In-N-Out Burger, they are the best. In-N-Out Burger

But even though this is not a burger, I still stop at the Runza Hut every time and usually bring back some frozen Swiss and Mushroom Runzas whenever I go back to Nebraska. It is the third Runza from the left when the picture rotates to the different Runzas they make. https://www.runza.com/ Ingredients: are primarily the dough stuffed with ground hamburger with onions, sauerkraut, mushrooms, and swiss cheese baked to perfection. Wow am I making myself hungry, and I there is no Runza Hut anywhere out here in Nevada or California.

Found an option that I can make and it should taste about the same, plus I could use onion powder instead of raw onions that upset my stomach. A Swiss Mushroom Runza Casserole :)

Swiss Mushroom Runza Casserole Recipe - Food.com



I changed my mind, for me at least, Vegetarianism would definitely be wrong, lol.
 
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Yes let's do:

Genesis 9:3 (ESV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Acts 11:6-9 (ESV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Looking at it closely, I observed animals and beasts of prey and reptiles and birds of the air.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And I heard a voice saying to me, ‘Rise, Peter; kill and eat.’ {Peter is not a vegetarian and neither does GOD expect us to be.}
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But I said, ‘By no means, Lord; for nothing common or unclean has ever entered my mouth.’
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But the voice answered a second time from heaven, ‘What God has made clean, do not call common.’

The primary purpose for the Dietary Laws was keep Israel separate from the pagan Genitiles who had lavish Feasts frequently including Roasted Pig and usually ending in orgies, thus Keeping the people of Israel pure spiritually until Messiah came and started building His Church where HE wanted the two peoples to become one people, who Loved and Served Messiah as LORD, which means Master:

John 10:15-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]
And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."


The time of separation is PAST, it ended the night of Peter's Dream, which ended the time of the dietary laws, now the LORD wants us to be ONE, His Chosen Bride.

Acts 11:2-4 (NIV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] So when Peter went up to Jerusalem, the circumcised believers criticized him
[SUP]3 [/SUP] and said, "You went into the house of uncircumcised men and ate with them."
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Peter began and explained everything to them precisely as it had happened:

And thus we continually are still being CRITICIZED by those who think we are to continue to keep the Dietary Laws, and the Laws of Ellen White, who secretly was eating meat, shrimp, and oysters, while her book was being sold and or distributed.

Vegetarianism is therefore still just a personal choice and nothing more, so anyone who wants to thinks Vegan is God's will for everyone, be careful, lest you cross the line.



1 Timothy 4:1-5 (ASV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
[SUP]3 [/SUP] forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by them that believe and know the truth.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it be received with thanksgiving:
[SUP]5 [/SUP] for it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer.
Often times when the word meat/meats mentioned in the New Covenant, can Spiritually mean solid food/foods. And may also mean edible animal food/foods by humans.

! Timothy 4;1-3 begins like this in other words;

The SPIRIT expressively said to Apostle Paul about the latter days(that is after the chosen Apostles of CHRIST and those who were faithful to them) and he imparted Spiritually revelational information to young Timothy and not to be surprised when he continues, before Paul departed, that some may fall away from the faith(Word of GOD), who have given heed to seducing spirits and doctrine of demons. because of their hypocrisy by speaking lies apart from the New Covenant because of their hearts stained with darkness, who forbid marriage to those who desire to marry and impose restrictions on which physical foods that are allowed to eat and which are not, even meats or veges, that actually to CHRIST liberated believers know because of Grace and Truth that GOD has created all of them and so as how it is served to them, wherever they may be, they are to receive them freely according to the Word of GOD in liberty and with thanksgiving in prayer and eat them. And this action witnessing faith from the Word of GOD and prayer of thanksgiving, the foods are already sanctified.

Apostle Paul also said this in his epistle that;

"For the food that we eat, doesn't make us better or worse."

In other words, we eat because it is one of the basic needs of the body. But it is also not so for those who are able to fast forty days and forty nights, like Moses and JESUS of Nazareth.

Weak or strong Christians are not based on carnality knowledgeable things. They are spiritual based on Holy Scriptural knowledge food built vessels. Either one is in the milk stage as babes in CHRIST and growing or another in the meat stage as grown ups and growing still.

Apostle Paul expressed that being liberated in CHRIST, doesn't mean one can do anything they want. Because of 'AGAPE', they need to also consider passionately their weak brothers and sisters, who are weak in the matter of physical foods. They may be vegetarian due to certain believe being weak in their conscience. And so the ones whose liberated conscience allows them to eat anything must look out for those who are weak because of again, 'AGAPE'.

Paul also said as an example that, 'if I have one of my family member who is a vegetarian and because of my liberty, I have eaten meat in the open and he happen to notice me. Then, all this while he or she who have been a faithful vegetarian honoring the LORD, suddenly take a doubtful step and eat meat themselves that moment and later be convicted in their conscience for doing so.

Then because i am the one who initiate them for my fellow member who is weak to fall, I will never eat meat anymore in my life.

And as the saying go;

'Do not place a stumbling block in your brother's way'.

Paul says to all who is weak and strong that;

"Do all things to honor the LORD."

In regards to foods, if anyone weak in their conscience have constrains to meats, it is only for them to practice, as they believe, doing them in honor to the LORD. To them who are weak in conscience, anything against their believe on this food matter, is a sin. They cannot burden this on others to follow.

On the other hand, those who have liberty in meats, do take the liberty to speak about them nor eat them openly, for your fellow member, weak in conscience to witness and take a doubtful step in temptation mistake, initiated ignorantly and blindly in the beginning by someone, who unfaithfully caused another who is weak to fall.
 

gotime

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Eating Vegetarian has to be done right or it will not help. You must know what to eat to get what your body needs. Do this and your health will be great.

As stated, eating no dairy or meat and the right plant based food will reverse diabetes, lower blood pressure, lower Cholesterol, reverse heart disease. and put cancer in remission.

BLessings.
 
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I mean, it was wrong to eat meat before Adam sinned. Why did God say we could eat meat after that and why did he say those who refused to eat meat were weak Christians?
[h=3]Colossians 2:16[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
 
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Kaycie

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No, it's not wrong, but it is wrong to force others to eat or not eat certain foods for religious reasons. In Deuteronomy God commanded they eat from the herd and from the flock- but that was under the old covenant. As long as you are getting a source of protein and taking care of your body.

genesis 9
1 timothy 4
romans 14
1 corinthians 6
 

JaumeJ

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It is not wrong according to the Word, and the Word is Jesus, Yeshua, amen.
 

VCO

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Often times when the word meat/meats mentioned in the New Covenant, can Spiritually mean solid food/foods. And may also mean edible animal food/foods by humans.

! Timothy 4;1-3 begins like this in other words;

The SPIRIT expressively said to Apostle Paul about the latter days(that is after the chosen Apostles of CHRIST and those who were faithful to them) and he imparted Spiritually revelational information to young Timothy and not to be surprised when he continues, before Paul departed, that some may fall away from the faith(Word of GOD), who have given heed to seducing spirits and doctrine of demons. because of their hypocrisy by speaking lies apart from the New Covenant because of their hearts stained with darkness, who forbid marriage to those who desire to marry and impose restrictions on which physical foods that are allowed to eat and which are not, even meats or veges, that actually to CHRIST liberated believers know because of Grace and Truth that GOD has created all of them and so as how it is served to them, wherever they may be, they are to receive them freely according to the Word of GOD in liberty and with thanksgiving in prayer and eat them. And this action witnessing faith from the Word of GOD and prayer of thanksgiving, the foods are already sanctified.

Apostle Paul also said this in his epistle that;

"For the food that we eat, doesn't make us better or worse."

In other words, we eat because it is one of the basic needs of the body. But it is also not so for those who are able to fast forty days and forty nights, like Moses and JESUS of Nazareth.

Weak or strong Christians are not based on carnality knowledgeable things. They are spiritual based on Holy Scriptural knowledge food built vessels. Either one is in the milk stage as babes in CHRIST and growing or another in the meat stage as grown ups and growing still.

Apostle Paul expressed that being liberated in CHRIST, doesn't mean one can do anything they want. Because of 'AGAPE', they need to also consider passionately their weak brothers and sisters, who are weak in the matter of physical foods. They may be vegetarian due to certain believe being weak in their conscience. And so the ones whose liberated conscience allows them to eat anything must look out for those who are weak because of again, 'AGAPE'.

Paul also said as an example that, 'if I have one of my family member who is a vegetarian and because of my liberty, I have eaten meat in the open and he happen to notice me. Then, all this while he or she who have been a faithful vegetarian honoring the LORD, suddenly take a doubtful step and eat meat themselves that moment and later be convicted in their conscience for doing so.

Then because i am the one who initiate them for my fellow member who is weak to fall, I will never eat meat anymore in my life.

And as the saying go;

'Do not place a stumbling block in your brother's way'.

Paul says to all who is weak and strong that;

"Do all things to honor the LORD."

In regards to foods, if anyone weak in their conscience have constrains to meats, it is only for them to practice, as they believe, doing them in honor to the LORD. To them who are weak in conscience, anything against their believe on this food matter, is a sin. They cannot burden this on others to follow.

On the other hand, those who have liberty in meats, do take the liberty to speak about them nor eat them openly, for your fellow member, weak in conscience to witness and take a doubtful step in temptation mistake, initiated ignorantly and blindly in the beginning by someone, who unfaithfully caused another who is weak to fall.

'Do not place a stumbling block in your brother's way'.

I agree with that 100%. I would never serve Ham, when a strict Dietary Law believing guest was coming to dinner, nor would I drink a beer in front of a recovering alcoholic for the same reason. My son-in-law is an exception to the rule, because he does not try to force is Adventists beliefs on us. He and I were having these kind of debates after dinner, long before I ever had a computer. His wife is not a vegetarian, nor are his kids. It is just his personal choice. As is my personal choice to eat meats. But in all honesty, I eat very little ham, because I would much rather eat beef any day.
 
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Or your whole theory is plumb full of holes and thus it holds no real water. My son-in-law by the way, is a Dentist and studied nutrition. Oh, and my mother-in-law was one of my absolute favorite people to talk to about the Bible. We were great friends too, and I sure miss her since the Lord took her home.
Black walnuts and almonds contain more L-arginine than most other nuts. One ounce of chopped black walnuts -- or about a one-quarter-cup serving -- delivers about 1,130 milligrams of L-arginine, according to the U.S. Department of Agriculture. The same amount of oil-roasted almonds supplies close to 970 milligrams of the nutrient, while raw almonds provide about 880 milligrams per serving. Mixed nuts are another top source -- one-quarter cup of oil-roasted mix nuts with peanuts contains about as much L-arginine as a serving of oil-roasted almonds. You’ll get about 815 milligrams of the amino acid from one-quarter cup of pine nuts. http://www.livestrong.com/article/512525-how-much-l-arginine-is-found-in-nuts/

Even though L-arginine can be established in both animal and plant-based foods, the latter are most abundant in the amino acid, as stated in Recurrent Pregnancy Loss, abridged by Mara Aurora. Assessing the foundation of grams of L-arginine for every 100 grams of the food, Spanish peanuts lead the record by 3.13 grams of L-arginine, stated at the website DietaryFiberFood.com. In close proximity is peanuts, 3.09 grams followed by almonds at 2.47 grams. Other sources are: dried sunflower seeds and kernels, 2.40 grams; English walnuts, 2.28 grams; hazelnuts, 2.21 grams, uncooked lentils, 2.17 grams; Brazil nuts, 2.15 grams; cashews, 2.12 grams; and pistachios, 2.03 grams. http://l-arginineguide.com/2-natural-sources-of-l-arginine-that-you-must-know.html

The demonstrated anti-aging benefits of l-arginine show greater potential than any pharmaceutical or nutraceutical agent ever previously discovered. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2090123210000573
 
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The foods that I had mention is not the only ones that is good for the body, there's plenty of others, but these has the highest amount to help prevent premature aging. L-arginine is going for building muscles and as we ages, muscle in our bodies start to weaken, especially the facial areas because of tiny clots plugging up blood flow causing cell not to receive its nutrients and oxygen. These nut has more benefits than the others, so it is best to start off with these to help repair the body.
 
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Being vegan is not wrong that's the way God planned for us to eat in the first place.. Also vegans live 6 to 10 years longer than those who eat meat... :p