islam and the pope

ThomistColin · Nov 30, 2014

Brother Sealebeag,

If you ask Blue Ladybug's pray for you, you have to email her, or call her or use other communication tools.

Ladybug's will pray for you. Mary is not physically life anymore. How do you know Mary able to hear you?

A million catholic ask Mary to pray for them. a thousand in america, a thousand in africa and it may a thousand people a round the globe ask in the same time.

Do you believe Mary omnipresent like God? does she attend in thousands places at the same time? If so than you make Mary like God. You elevate Mary as a God. There isn't Queen of heaven brother.

Yet Paul said we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses. Mary and all of the Saints and Angels are in that cloud.

Ella85 · Nov 30, 2014

sealabeag said:

No need to pray to her.
She is no longer on earth.
My past is Catholic.....I know what the church's are like.
Confession.....pray to Mary......

Not the way. Most churches teach this.

Ella85 · Nov 30, 2014

If we ask Mary to pray for us does that mean we can ask our Grandma, Grandad, Aunt, Uncle, Cousin that we suspect that are in heaven to pray for us?

There is a reason why Jesus was placed in a role to be our Savior.
I love Him so much I want a personal relationship with Him. I want to talk directly to Him because I just can't go a moment on earth without Him.
He is the ONE before anyone in my life.
He comes before any of my family and friends.
He is the way, and the truth.
That's why I love Jesus, because He died for me.

twotwo · Nov 30, 2014

phil112 said:

This is cool. We shall all pray for respect between Muslims and Christians.

dcontroversal · Nov 30, 2014

Ella85 said:

If we ask Mary to pray for us does that mean we can ask our Grandma, Grandad, Aunt, Uncle, Cousin that we suspect that are in heaven to pray for us?

There is a reason why Jesus was placed in a role to be our Savior.
I love Him so much I want a personal relationship with Him. I want to talk directly to Him because I just can't go a moment on earth without Him.
He is the ONE before anyone in my life.
He comes before any of my family and friends.
He is the way, and the truth.
That's why I love Jesus, because He died for me.

Amen and so true! As it should be.......

blue_ladybug · Nov 30, 2014

ThomistColin said:

Umm, nooo.. No person is an intercessor when they pray. JESUS is the ONE AND ONLY intercessor. HE hears our prayers, and pleads them to God on our behalf. Don't read words into my previous reply that aren't there.

I NEVER SAID that anyone who prays on behalf of another to Jesus is committing a sin by considering themselves an intercessor. Those are YOUR words, my friend.

maxwel · Nov 30, 2014

blue_ladybug said:

Maybe we're confusing the terms "intercessor" and "mediator".

We can all intercede for each other, in the simple act of praying for each other.
This isn't any more or less mystical than any normal prayer.
When we intercede for others, we are just adding our prayers to their own prayers.
We are taking our concerns for that person to the Father... which is a very simple and natural thing.
None of us has any special magical "intercessory" powers... we are just taking our concerns for another to the Father.

To "mediate" however is a different thing.
To "mediate" implies a degree of "necessity".
To mediate is to place yourself between two parties that cannot reconcile otherwise.

There is only ONE mediator between us and the father, and that is Christ.
1Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

ThomistColin · Nov 30, 2014

Which is why I do consider Mary, the Mother of Christ, to be an intercessor. She prays with all of the Saints and angels for us here on earth. We are One Body of Christ, not two. There is not a Body of Christ in Heaven and one on Earth, but one Body of Christ that spans between Heaven and earth.

Jackson123 · Nov 30, 2014

ThomistColin said:

Brother Thomist, How do we know it is Mary? Cloud of witnesses can be a lot of angle and devil. Bible said about the spirit on the air it is devil.

Say news paper said thousand people make a riot. Can we said it is christian that make a riot. The news paper not even mention who is the thousand.

GuessWho · Nov 30, 2014

blue_ladybug said:

How ironical! The woman who gave birth to the ONE who said "I AM THE LIFE", lays now dead and rotted, God knows where.

ThomistColin · Nov 30, 2014

Jackson123 said:

The Cloud of Witnesses are not devils, they are the Saints and Angels of Heaven.

phil112 · Nov 30, 2014

ThomistColin said:

Don't be ridiculous. That is people that see you whether you realize it or not. It is an exhortation to be a good example. You never know who is watching or when. No wonder you're catholic. You can't understand plain scripture. Folks like you are easily led astray.

Jackson123 · Nov 30, 2014

ThomistColin said:

Can you give me a verse that it is Saints and angels ?

[h=1]Ephesians 2:2 (1611 King James Bible)[/h]Viewing the 1611 King James Version. Click to switch to standard King James Version of Ephesians 2:2

[h=2]Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the aire, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience,[/h]

Straightshot · Nov 30, 2014

The "cloud of witnesses" referred to those who have been and are visible witnesses of the Lord today

From Enoch to Abraham, David, the prophets, the apostles, etc.

This statement is not referring to Christians of the past who are somehow still involved with living believers

The scriptures are very clear .... no human has "gone to heaven" except Jesus Christ who has come from there

The truth about this is in your Bible ..... read about it and avoid other teaching about the matter which is all of "man made religion" that carries thinking detrimental to one's relationship with the Lord

[1 Corinthians 15:20-23; Romans 8]

Jackson123 · Nov 30, 2014

Straightshot said:

The "cloud of witnesses" referred to those who have been and are visible witnesses of the Lord today

From Enoch to Abraham, David, the prophets, the apostles, etc.

This statement is not referring to Christians of the past who are somehow still involved with living believers

The scriptures are very clear .... no human has "gone to heaven" except Jesus Christ who has come from there

The truth about this is in your Bible ..... read about it and avoid other teaching about the matter which is all of "man made religion" that carries thinking detrimental to one's relationship with the Lord

[1 Corinthians 15:20-23; Romans 8

Brother Straitghtshot, I read this verse, seem to me no information that said the spirit of the saint will be cloud witnesses

[h=1]1 Corinthians 15:20-23English Standard Version (ESV)[/h]20 But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.

[h=1]omans 8 English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][h=3]Life in the Spirit[/h]8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.[a] 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you[b] free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law,weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin,[c] he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot.8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. 10 But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus[d] from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodiesthrough his Spirit who dwells in you.
[h=3]Heirs with Christ[/h]12 So then, brothers,[e] we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.14 For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons[f] of God. 15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.
[h=3]Future Glory[/h]18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. Nowhope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, wewait for it with patience.
26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because[g] the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good,[h] for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.
[h=3]God's Everlasting Love[/h]31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be[i] against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son but gave him up for us all, how will he not also with him graciously give us all things? 33 Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. 34 Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died—more than that, who was raised—who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us.[j] 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? 36 As it is written,
“For your sake we are being killed all the day long;
we are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered.”

37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Straightshot · Nov 30, 2014

All spirits of believers of the dead in Christ have returned to the Lord for keeping and to be revealed at His coming

There is no time passing for them as it does on the earth .... all will awake to His calling in His due time

The next conscious moment for the thief on the cross next to the Lord is still pending .... so to Him his awakening will be like it was on the same day .... this is why the Lord said "today you will be with me in paradise"

The eternal state of the spirit has no time dimension ....past, present, and future .... but an unending presence

This is why the Lord told those bragging about being descendants of Abraham ..... before Abraham was .... I am

ThomistColin · Nov 30, 2014

What heresy this is. Soul Sleep? Its out and out heresy. You call it plain Scripture, and yet twist it. Suddenly, Abraham and Isaac and Jacob are asleep, even though Jesus said they were alive. Suddenly Jesus on the Cross needs to be interpreted as being metaphorical. The Holy Thief whose body is left to rot and his mind to be muddled and asleep until Jesus comes.

You are the newbies to the block, and yet you try to argue your doctrines are as old as Christianity, even though they don't appear until the 18th century. How lost you are.

Truly, if Luther and Calvin saw the way you speak of Mary and simple doctrines as being alive in Heaven, they would have turned back to the Catholic Church and said, "Maybe we can work something out."

Human · Nov 30, 2014

phil112 said:

You know Jesus never required people to hate one another, nor disrespect one another's customs. In fact, he talked about ritualism, dogma and belief and how it should be forgotten in place of acceptance and respect, in a parable about eating vegetables and doing one action or another for God in full conviction.

Straightshot · Nov 30, 2014

"Truly, if Luther and Calvin saw the way you speak of Mary and simple doctrines as being alive in Heaven, they would have turned back to the Catholic Church and said, "Maybe we can work something out."

What a joke

The reformers did not go far enough .... they carried way to much RCC dogma forward

Human · Nov 30, 2014

Straightshot said:

The joke is that people follow Martin Luther or John Calvin at all. Luther was a bigot, a sexist, an inciter of hatred and violence, and a staunch anti-semite. The links between Hitler's ideology and Martin Luther are well documented. Martin Luther and antisemitism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for Calvin, he was just as bad as Luther. To quote him, “The Jews' rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end, and that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone.”

Great admirable men, eh?

It frustrates me to no end that violent men are given authority to render the words of the nonviolent one and garner millions of followers that heed their nonsense. 'You will know them by their fruits', is exactly the reason I don't take Luther or Calvin seriously. How can such hateful people have any authority on compassion or on peace?

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