Islam: Religion of peace or war?
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He has a really great book on this subject actually 
In perspective though, any religion in the hands of people can become a religion of war. A Muslim could argue the Crusades as an example, and rightfully so. They killed thousands upon thousands of Jews and Muslims, innocent Jews and Muslims. Took silver and gold, burned the place up, beheaded them. And of course built a church after it was all done. Same with various cults, some of the first missionaries to the Americas, and the KKK. Killing souls in the name that is meant save souls. Check out the book Christian Jihad.
Ultimately though, the Bible doesn't support this. Islam on the other hand sounds pretty supportive. Many Muslims don't know or realize this though, one's that had realized left the faith or went the other way and accepted it. #muslimsarethevictims
In perspective though, any religion in the hands of people can become a religion of war. A Muslim could argue the Crusades as an example, and rightfully so. They killed thousands upon thousands of Jews and Muslims, innocent Jews and Muslims. Took silver and gold, burned the place up, beheaded them. And of course built a church after it was all done. Same with various cults, some of the first missionaries to the Americas, and the KKK. Killing souls in the name that is meant save souls. Check out the book Christian Jihad.
Ultimately though, the Bible doesn't support this. Islam on the other hand sounds pretty supportive. Many Muslims don't know or realize this though, one's that had realized left the faith or went the other way and accepted it. #muslimsarethevictims
Anhyone who has a god needing the defense of his children worships a false god.
Yes, we are in a war, but it is spiritual. Now any who wish to defend their god may, but it is not the Almighty and Eternal Father..
He will return and slay the falsehood with the two-edged sword of Hid Mouth, just as He created all that is by the Word.
If any here ae concerning themselves with the sins of others and not with working out his own salvation in the grace of Jesus Christ, he is wasting his efforts. We are to love our enemies, turn the other cheek, and pray for the salvation of all.
Yes, we are in a war, but it is spiritual. Now any who wish to defend their god may, but it is not the Almighty and Eternal Father..
He will return and slay the falsehood with the two-edged sword of Hid Mouth, just as He created all that is by the Word.
If any here ae concerning themselves with the sins of others and not with working out his own salvation in the grace of Jesus Christ, he is wasting his efforts. We are to love our enemies, turn the other cheek, and pray for the salvation of all.
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They are doing it now and they have always done so...like Africa...warring tribes and nothing has changed there either
I could say more regarding how things are in the US....and be called a bigot and racially prejudiced...but it is what it is
People bring with them whatever demons they have, whatever morays and traditions they have and whatever prejudices they have...everyone, I'm not picking on anyone (hey, I'm German descent and some folks hate Germans) and the entire world has become a mishmash of ungodly activities served up to us all on the nightly news
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I could say more regarding how things are in the US....and be called a bigot and racially prejudiced...but it is what it is
People bring with them whatever demons they have, whatever morays and traditions they have and whatever prejudices they have...everyone, I'm not picking on anyone (hey, I'm German descent and some folks hate Germans) and the entire world has become a mishmash of ungodly activities served up to us all on the nightly news
rant over
We are indeed to turn the other cheek, but there's only one other cheek to turn, after that, all bets are off. We have the God-given right and responsibility to defend ourselves and the sanctity of life.
We don't necessarily have to harm or kill our enemies, but they must be neutralized either with or without extreme prejudice, doesn't matter to me as long as they're neutralized.
If they choose death, so be it, it's on them.
We don't necessarily have to harm or kill our enemies, but they must be neutralized either with or without extreme prejudice, doesn't matter to me as long as they're neutralized.
If they choose death, so be it, it's on them.
I am only permitted to reply to this with wisdom from the Word. No leader has power unless it is allowed by God. With this in mind and your explanation of what is God given, all nations must have this right.
I would not be too hasty in pronouncing God-given rights to any religion or denomination. This is the thinking that led to the Germany of the 1930's.
It is certain, were you to inquire of any denomination, they all have God-given rights.
The only thing I have or want to have is grace by the Blood of Jesus Chrsit.. I believe I have this.
If you were to travel the world sharing the umbrella of being Christian, you will find a very strong presence in each country of people who believe they have God-given rights.
The thought of God being involved with any branch of any government si an abomination, since our tru government is the Kingdome of God, the Moarchy, with Jesus Christ as our King.
Do not look to worldly nationalities, color of skin, ethnicities, or any of the like, look to the Holy Spirit Who is left by Jesus Christ to lead us all to His truth. Love of the world is not one of the rights of any who believe Jesus Chrsit, amen.
The world here is nly in reference to material existenc, not to mankind whome our Lord loves to the extend of sending His Only Begotten Son.
I would not be too hasty in pronouncing God-given rights to any religion or denomination. This is the thinking that led to the Germany of the 1930's.
It is certain, were you to inquire of any denomination, they all have God-given rights.
The only thing I have or want to have is grace by the Blood of Jesus Chrsit.. I believe I have this.
If you were to travel the world sharing the umbrella of being Christian, you will find a very strong presence in each country of people who believe they have God-given rights.
The thought of God being involved with any branch of any government si an abomination, since our tru government is the Kingdome of God, the Moarchy, with Jesus Christ as our King.
Do not look to worldly nationalities, color of skin, ethnicities, or any of the like, look to the Holy Spirit Who is left by Jesus Christ to lead us all to His truth. Love of the world is not one of the rights of any who believe Jesus Chrsit, amen.
The world here is nly in reference to material existenc, not to mankind whome our Lord loves to the extend of sending His Only Begotten Son.
My friend, I was not implying that any religion or denomination has God-given rights, I'm talking about people; people have the God-given right to defend themselves, especially against tyranny and evil.
I earnestly pray I never have to take a human life, but make no mistake about it, I will defend innocence by force against the ravages of evil extremists who mean to do you or me harm. The only reason I did not re-enlist after 9/11 is because I knew the war would be fought in an asinine, politically correct manner and I wasn't going for that.
On another note, I rejoice in what you share regarding grace by the blood of Christ. Amen to that!
I earnestly pray I never have to take a human life, but make no mistake about it, I will defend innocence by force against the ravages of evil extremists who mean to do you or me harm. The only reason I did not re-enlist after 9/11 is because I knew the war would be fought in an asinine, politically correct manner and I wasn't going for that.
On another note, I rejoice in what you share regarding grace by the blood of Christ. Amen to that!
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Yeah, there are some things I disagree with Walid on, but on his personal account of Islam and their ideoligies, he's right on point, and as well as his account of Islam's role according to scriputre. Every country Jesus comes to fight against is in the middle east, he is absolutely right about the names of countries specifically mentioned through prophecy all being middle eastern...and I don't think that the rise of radical Islam is by accident....I see chess pieces being set in place with that.
But as far as their end times beliefs, specifically their Mahdi being the return of Mohammad coming to behead eceryone who wont convert, and they actually believe Jesus will be his prophet, telling everyone that this guy is actually correct and Islam is the only way...seriously. It's amazing how their Mahdi and his prophet line up with our antichrist and the false prophet....
But as far as their end times beliefs, specifically their Mahdi being the return of Mohammad coming to behead eceryone who wont convert, and they actually believe Jesus will be his prophet, telling everyone that this guy is actually correct and Islam is the only way...seriously. It's amazing how their Mahdi and his prophet line up with our antichrist and the false prophet....
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But in the end, what would that prove? There is NO black and white regarding the crusades. The Turks gained the land the exact same way the Byzantine empire did, through war and conquer. Many people that the Crusades were just an act of aggression to reclaim Jerusalem set in place by the RCC. *shrugs* Apparently, fighting in the Crusades gave the same reward as turning to Christ, or maybe fighting in the Crusades was giving your life to Christ?
Medieval Sourcebook: Urban II: Speech at Council of Clermont, 1095, according to Fulcherof Chartres
Medieval Sourcebook: Urban II: Speech at Council of Clermont, 1095, according to Fulcherof Chartres
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First off, hi Ms. Kaylagrl!
But I totally understand that there is a lot of misunderstanding about it but sometimes on CC(well, a lot of times), people don't take an objective look at complex situations. You will either say it's all the RCC or blame in all on Muslims, when in fact it was smack dab in the middle. Can't really get mad at the Turks because they were doing the same thing that the Roman empire did to get that exact same land. I believe that it will be a good subject to explore but I just don't believe that it would be taken objectively and without bias from the masses here.
But I totally understand that there is a lot of misunderstanding about it but sometimes on CC(well, a lot of times), people don't take an objective look at complex situations. You will either say it's all the RCC or blame in all on Muslims, when in fact it was smack dab in the middle. Can't really get mad at the Turks because they were doing the same thing that the Roman empire did to get that exact same land. I believe that it will be a good subject to explore but I just don't believe that it would be taken objectively and without bias from the masses here.
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First off, hi Ms. Kaylagrl!
But I totally understand that there is a lot of misunderstanding about it but sometimes on CC(well, a lot of times), people don't take an objective look at complex situations. You will either say it's all the RCC or blame in all on Muslims, when in fact it was smack dab in the middle. Can't really get mad at the Turks because they were doing the same thing that the Roman empire did to get that exact same land. I believe that it will be a good subject to explore but I just don't believe that it would be taken objectively and without bias from the masses here.
But I totally understand that there is a lot of misunderstanding about it but sometimes on CC(well, a lot of times), people don't take an objective look at complex situations. You will either say it's all the RCC or blame in all on Muslims, when in fact it was smack dab in the middle. Can't really get mad at the Turks because they were doing the same thing that the Roman empire did to get that exact same land. I believe that it will be a good subject to explore but I just don't believe that it would be taken objectively and without bias from the masses here.
Maybe,maybe not. I dont see it as a religious issue but political. The Muslims were conquering by the sword as they always did and the RCC was fighting for Christendom.Had it not been for them we'd all be Muslim today. Yet many Jews were also killed in the process because of hatred and antisemitism that has a long history in the RCC. I wouldnt call it the will of God other than the Muslims were pushed back.Im sure there are lots of other opinions on the subject but just my take from what Ive read.