Jesus married a black women???!!?

[trofimus]

y'all might want to actually listen to the 'sermon' in OP. it's only 17 minutes.

gist:

• Song of Solomon is an allegory of Christ and His church.
• Solomon ~ Christ
• His bride ~ the church
• SoS 1:6 -- the bride is dark skinned, a 'black woman'
• therefore ((by metaphor)) Christ marries a black woman





a technical objection is that at this moment in time we're 'betrothed' waiting for the Groom to return to take His bride. we're in the middle of the traditional Hebrew marriage ceremony.. so Jesus hasn't actually 'married' anyone yet, but he doesn't speak about that in the video.

She was not black by her race as being Negro, she was dark skinned because of sun:

"I am black, but beautiful, ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. 6 Look not upon me, because I am dark, because the sun has looked unfavourably upon me."

If it would be about race, would you agree that being black is not beautiful, generally? "I am black, but beautiful..." I do not think so. Therefore she was not black by race but by a hard work in field.

 

[posthuman]

My pleasure. Here's that verse you mentioned.

If the Ethiopian shall change his skin, or the leopardess her spots, then shall ye be able to do good, having learnt evil. Jeremiah 13:23​

I read an interesting Jewish legend that claimed Moses married the Ethiopian woman while he was a lord in Egypt, and I guess got reunited with her when he returned to Egypt. So according to that he had two wives.

I've heard a version of this too. Some people argue that Zipporah is the Cushite woman he married, but as far as I have read and understood, the only real basis for this is a desire to avoid the idea that Moses may have been polygamous. It's shaky to try to make Jethro Cushite, which 8s what you have to do if you start with assuming Moses only had one wife and then work backwards to make the text agree with your assumption.

 

[posthuman]

She was not black by her race as being Negro, she was dark skinned because of sun:

"I am black, but beautiful, ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon. 6 Look not upon me, because I am dark, because the sun has looked unfavourably upon me."

If it would be about race, would you agree that being black is not beautiful, generally? "I am black, but beautiful..." I do not think so. Therefore she was not black by race but by a hard work in field.

If the sun looks unfavourably on me I turn red, and then start to peel.

 

[trofimus]

If the sun looks unfavourably on me I turn red, and then start to peel.

Once in a time. But if it would be every day for years, you would get darker.

The Bible clearly says it was because of sun... nothing to talk about.

 

[posthuman]

Leprosy is a disease of the skin. Her skin may have LOOKED white, but she WAS still a black woman. Just like Michael Jackson, he was a black man even though he bleached his skin white. Maybe God gave her leprosy as a punishment, but certainly NOT because she was black. If God wanted Miriam to be white, he would've made her white before she was born.

Miriam was struck with leprosy because of her grumbling over Moses wife - who was from Cush, and the assumption is that she, not Miriam, was a Negro. Maybe that was Miriams objection, maybe not. Text isn't specific about why it upset her.

 

[posthuman]

Once in a time. But if it would be every day for years, you would get darker.

The Bible clearly says it was because of sun... nothing to talk about.

Hey man, just summarizing the video because most respondents didn't watch it and made wild assumptions based on the inflammatory title.

 

[trofimus]

Hey man, just summarizing the video because most respondents didn't watch it and made wild assumptions based on the inflammatory title.

I know, but many people actually think that the woman or girl in SoS was black by birth and ignore what the very next sentence says...

 

[JaumeJ]

I believe the entire dispute or disagreement on Zipporah was due to the fact she was not aHebrew.

Num 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married; for he had married a Cushite woman.

The children of Israel were not encouraged to marry outside of the Tribes.

 

[JaumeJ]

I should probably also mention to this day inmost of the northern African and Asia Minor countries the mention of skin tone or color was not much of a topic of conversation, the the mention of Zipporah's being a Cushite was mainly in referenct to her not being of any of the twelve tribes.

 

[Enoch987]

moses married a woman from Cush which is Ethopia. She was black. Moses' sister Miriam objected. God gave her leprosy which makes the skin white. She repented. Moses prayed and she was healed.

 

[JaumeJ]

Ethiopia is Ethiopia in the Word. Cush is all of the black people of Africa.......they are the descendants of Noah's son, Cush.
Perhaps Ethiopians are part of Cushitte lands but only a part.

 

[Enoch987]

Leprosy is a disease of the skin. Her skin may have LOOKED white, but she WAS still a black woman. Just like Michael Jackson, he was a black man even though he bleached his skin white. Maybe God gave her leprosy as a punishment, but certainly NOT because she was black. If God wanted Miriam to be white, he would've made her white before she was born.

Miriam, moses's sister, was semitic which means that she had brown skin. Moses' new wife was black. Miriam got the leprosy.

 

[JaumeJ]

All Jews today are considered Semites, which is a complete misnomer when it comes to race. As for a Semetic being brown, that is a stretch. Like in many countries,, the coloring of people varied......there are blonde, blue-eyed "semites," and all I can think of is so what.

It seems to me people here are pubeginning to attmpt to justify skin color.....and this should not be. If people here wish to understand then know we are all exactly the same when we are looking to the spiritual, and we will be all the same come the Kingdome

If color of skin has any bearing on anyone's faith, they do not really have faith......We have the same father, Noah, then Adam then God. Pay attention to what is written about how we will be come th Kingdom, then look at one another as such and no more or less. I am truly ecstatic that I know we are one family andven moreso come the KIngdom Praise God, amen.

Miriam, moses's sister, was semitic which means that she had brown skin. Moses' new wife was black. Miriam got the leprosy.

 

[Enoch987]

All Jews today are considered Semites, which is a complete misnomer when it comes to race. As for a Semetic being brown, that is a stretch. Like in many countries,, the coloring of people varied......there are blonde, blue-eyed "semites," and all I can think of is so what.

It seems to me people here are pubeginning to attmpt to justify skin color.....and this should not be. If people here wish to understand then know we are all exactly the same when we are looking to the spiritual, and we will be all the same come the Kingdome

If color of skin has any bearing on anyone's faith, they do not really have faith......We have the same father, Noah, then Adam then God. Pay attention to what is written about how we will be come th Kingdom, then look at one another as such and no more or less. I am truly ecstatic that I know we are one family andven moreso come the KIngdom Praise God, amen.

My answer was to blue ladybug who thought that Miriam was black. Before there were Ashkenazi Jews (European), I think I'm correct to say that Middle Eastern Jews and Arabs were olive skinned (brown). Jesus's skin was brown.

 

[jameen]

Jesus never married. WTF!

Paul never married because he imitated our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

 

[LaurieB]

All Jews today are considered Semites, which is a complete misnomer when it comes to race. As for a Semetic being brown, that is a stretch. Like in many countries,, the coloring of people varied......there are blonde, blue-eyed "semites," and all I can think of is so what.

It seems to me people here are pubeginning to attmpt to justify skin color.....and this should not be. If people here wish to understand then know we are all exactly the same when we are looking to the spiritual, and we will be all the same come the Kingdome

If color of skin has any bearing on anyone's faith, they do not really have faith......We have the same father, Noah, then Adam then God. Pay attention to what is written about how we will be come th Kingdom, then look at one another as such and no more or less. I am truly ecstatic that I know we are one family andven moreso come the KIngdom Praise God, amen.

Amen. Racism has no place in religion.

 

[JaumeJ]

I reliza many of the Ashkenazim are European converts to what is called Judaism in modern times, but many, perhaps most are descended from Israel The Sephardim are those who remained in African nations and Spain. Many of them are quite fair skinned. If you look at the Sfardi language you will find it to be easily understood if you can read Spanish.. People in all countries and nationalities come in many shades and hair colors and vigor.

I have heard a "white" person comment on Spanaieards thus, "It is such a shame, they are so dark." He was making reference to some men working, slightly tanned, but whiter than I, a red head. The dark referred to was the color of their hair.

Why does this thinking exist? I have not a clue.

My answer was to blue ladybug who thought that Miriam was black. Before there were Ashkenazi Jews (European), I think I'm correct to say that Middle Eastern Jews and Arabs were olive skinned (brown). Jesus's skin was brown.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I believe the entire dispute or disagreement on Zipporah was due to the fact she was not aHebrew.

Num 12:1 And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Cushite woman whom he had married; for he had married a Cushite woman.

The children of Israel were not encouraged to marry outside of the Tribes.

That may have been an issue, but it wasn't contrary to the law. Joseph's wife was an Egyptian.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I'm not the one who thought Miriam was black. That was HeRose's post, not mine.

My answer was to blue ladybug who thought that Miriam was black. Before there were Ashkenazi Jews (European), I think I'm correct to say that Middle Eastern Jews and Arabs were olive skinned (brown). Jesus's skin was brown.

 

[JaumeJ]

Yes, and Rahab, the harlot, is in the ascentry of our Lord, Jesus Christ........so what? She was capable of righteously acting in saving the Hebrew spies.......

If you or anyone is concerned with color, it might be best to ask our Fadther which color is the best, and what color we all will be in the Kingdom. We will be like the Angles, as it is written.......Please do not come back with the artistic versions of angels, for I doubt quite seriously if peole anywhere know for certain what that type of angel looks like..Yes, we know about cherubs, but othrwise.........there no need to fret about this either.

RAcism is not a part of love. There a PEOPLE IN THE FLESH IN THE wORD who are of all colors, I bet cha.

That may have been an issue, but it wasn't contrary to the law. Joseph's wife was an Egyptian.