Joel Osteen book "Your Best Life Now"

[JGIG]

Give me one reason why I would want to listen to a review of a book of a person I would never read? And I think gives God a bad name, This makes no sense at all sis.

Because you may be labeling Osteen a heretic in error.

I'm not a big fan of Joel Osteen. He's a bit of a floof ball as far as theological content goes.

Here's the thing: Evangelizing and expository teaching of theology is not Osteen's calling.

Encouraging and building up the Body of Christ is Osteen's calling.

He's not a prophet, teacher, or even a preacher so much as an encourager and a builder-upper.

Does he make a lot of money? Yep. Yet he takes no salary from his church. He sells a lot of books - because guess what? The Body of Christ actually needs to be encouraged and built up, and it turns out that lots of folks buy his books! And he gives gobs of money away. Ooooh, how evil!

Those who are making Osteen out to be a heretic are doing so without actually checking his theology and who refuse to actually watch him preach, and are measuring him without taking into account what God has called him to, as well as what God has NOT called him to. His statement of faith is sound on his site, and the times I've seen him preach, he's pointing to Christ and building up the believer.

I must say, I'm always a bit baffled how folks who are so solid in many areas get so crazy because of what they heard or read about what someone else said they heard about ol' so and so.

Still love ya, EG ,
JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Exactly ten, at this moment. And TEN is an impressive amount considering how many people refuse to go through yet-another Olsteen-pitch. And TEN is an amazing amount since the vast majority of people on this site do usually ignore your pamphleting-for-heretics tactics.

And, yes, I get it, you're not alone in your beliefs. Neither are those who think just the right crystal will set their lives in order. Neither are the people who think chanting "No more guns" today, without having a clue what they expect lawmakers to do about it. And neither are the ones who think Elvis is still alive. For that matter, neither are the ones still promoting flat earth/no one went to the moon/the Trade Centers falling was a hoax. Numbers really don't matter, whether your telling the truth or lies.

HOWEVER, you are NOT standing up for the Bible or God. Definitely not the Bible, since you won't read it. Definitely not God because you rather buy the hoax.

You cannot fellowship with Christians as a Christian when you aren't a Christian. Sort of like me trying to fellowship in the rodeo circuit because I rode a horse twice. (Both times unsuccessfully. lol) I'm not a cowboy!

But I truly agree with you that you are "out there all over the place" (including on this thread.) What you keep missing is we keep inviting you. Probably because that doesn't fit your "persecuted victimhood." And ignore everyone but yourself.

You know neither Olsteen or this guy are brothers. You're just proselytizing a different god again.

My my, what talent you've shown for deciding who's actually saved or not . . . and all from the comfort of your keyboard .

 

[JGIG]

Thank you Ariel82 for taking the time to listen to the OP #1 video.

Which is all you asked anyone to do .

Fascinating the big, fat, hairy deal they've made of this, eh?

Match point to you, joaniemarie .

-JGIG

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The review in question is to address misconceptions you may have of that person. Almost like a mediator. You may have negative feelings towards someone who cut you off on the high way, and they may message you and you ignore it because your only perception of them is the jerk who cut you off but in reality they were an under cover cop going to save a family in a hostage scenario. Its a stretch, but you get the point.

You say you have no respect for Joel Osteen, would never read his books. Based on what? Informative videos of his heresies? This is what this review is for, to address false notions. To clear the air. Yet, and instead, many would rather go off of assumptions and preconceived ideas to the defamation of a person than to actually see them properly represented.

I have read movie reviews. Which said th movie sucked, then went and saw it and the movie was awesome. I have read reviews on thing I have purchased, which said they were great, and when I bought it it was a peace of junk. I could read 10 reviews on this book, and find 5 reviews which were positive and 5 reviews which were negative, and then find one more and it is in the middle.

If i want to review a boo, I go purchase th ebook, and read it, I have the Book of Mormon in my library, books from all views of end times prophesy, I probably had a book from Joel Olsteen at a time, or my wife did. And forgot about it. I am not afraid to purchase books even from people I disagree with, it all depends on the topic. (And knowing what other people believe and research) however, what I will nto do, is purchase a book and support people I have no respect for and gives God a bad name, Agree with me or not, that is how I feel. And if I remember right, the Bible says if you do something that goes against your conscience , to you it is sin.

So I must ask, What good are reviews? What purpose would you have to come in and ask people to read a review of a book unless you were promoting that book, or that person (Sorry I do not buy the argument she is not trying to promote the book or person. If one of those people who you claim continually bash Joaniemarie did this same thing to promote an author of a book which SLAMED WOF, I am sure a lot of you would be coming at them trying to say they had ulterior motives, or they were biased people. Or whatever reasons I have seen people use in CC for the last 4 years when people try to promote an author or teacher or video of others they disagree with (we saw a lot of that with Hypergrace and Joseph smith, and were warned about doing such, so why do we want to continue down that path when we KNOW it is going to cause this type of fighting? She knows what this causes., She knows what will happen. Yet she continues to do it (first Joseph Smith, then Dr Ellis, and now this guy) what did she expect? Its like sticking your hand on the stove when you know it is hot and will burn you, then complaining because your hand was burnt.

I will ask again, What purpose would or motivation would I have to read a book from a man I have no respect for? And why is someone asking me to do it, then claim she is not trying to support this person, especially since when people have come in supporting the book and the person, she jumped right on it? After backtracking and claiming it was not about that person.

This my view. You want me to read a review, I am giving my review. Of the thread. Take it for whatever you want. You do nto have to agree, no one does.. I just stated a fact.

 

[wolfwint]

Because you may be labeling Osteen a heretic in error.

I'm not a big fan of Joel Osteen. He's a bit of a floof ball as far as theological content goes.

Here's the thing: Evangelizing and expository teaching of theology is not Osteen's calling.

Encouraging and building up the Body of Christ is Osteen's calling.

He's not a prophet, teacher, or even a preacher so much as an encourager and a builder-upper.

Does he make a lot of money? Yep. Yet he takes no salary from his church. He sells a lot of books - because guess what? The Body of Christ actually needs to be encouraged and built up, and it turns out that lots of folks buy his books! And he gives gobs of money away. Ooooh, how evil!

Those who are making Osteen out to be a heretic are doing so without actually checking his theology and who refuse to actually watch him preach, and are measuring him without taking into account what God has called him to, as well as what God has NOT called him to. His statement of faith is sound on his site, and the times I've seen him preach, he's pointing to Christ and building up the believer.

I must say, I'm always a bit baffled how folks who are so solid in many areas get so crazy because of what they heard or read about what someone else said they heard about ol' so and so.

Still love ya, EG ,
JGIG

Building up the body of christ with false teachings i find very questionable, because the people see in him a teacher who speaks the truth.
It is not our Business to judge him. But we have the Duty to compare his teachings with the scripture. So far he is teaching what is not written.
Wether he finally build up ore not. The Lord will decide, not we.

 

[JGIG]

If you read his view about healing and wealth and positiv thinking. Do you find this really in the teachings from Paul, Peter, John ore Jesus? One promise Jesus gave to his followers: you will be persecutet! I will encourage you to make a study about persecution in the N T. In the first 300 years christians never could preach such teachings. They had to suffer and to die for their believe. No life in health and prosper! Is the truth different to them and to us?
I would not trust any man who will tell me an differrent Gospel then was preached from the apostles. Osteen is mixing truth and own thoughts ( ore others) and this makes him so dangerous. If I read that 20 000 000 people are listening his messages each day, I ask me to were is he leading them.

8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you. (from Phil. 4)​

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Because you may be labeling Osteen a heretic in error.

I'm not a big fan of Joel Osteen. He's a bit of a floof ball as far as theological content goes.

Here's the thing: Evangelizing and expository teaching of theology is not Osteen's calling.

Encouraging and building up the Body of Christ is Osteen's calling.

He's not a prophet, teacher, or even a preacher so much as an encourager and a builder-upper.

Does he make a lot of money? Yep. Yet he takes no salary from his church. He sells a lot of books - because guess what? The Body of Christ actually needs to be encouraged and built up, and it turns out that lots of folks buy his books! And he gives gobs of money away. Ooooh, how evil!

Those who are making Osteen out to be a heretic are doing so without actually checking his theology and who refuse to actually watch him preach, and are measuring him without taking into account what God has called him to, as well as what God has NOT called him to. His statement of faith is sound on his site, and the times I've seen him preach, he's pointing to Christ and building up the believer.

I must say, I'm always a bit baffled how folks who are so solid in many areas get so crazy because of what they heard or read about what someone else said they heard about ol' so and so.

Still love ya, EG ,
JGIG

Yet this thread is about reading what someone else said, or heard about someone else.

See the irony?

Love you also sis.

As for Olsteen, I saw what he said, I have to take him at his word. Apologizing because you got called out (funny how many people in here saw the interview but did not even know he made a retraction of apology, why is that? Sounds suspicious to me!!..and to me, it does not change what you believe. You would never say what you said, especially on national tv knowing maybe millions are watching, unless you really believed it. As I said earlier, out of the mouth comes the abundance of the heart.

as for the flood issue, Even if what was said is true, it happened because someone has a reputation of bing a person who gets rich off of Jesus (be it books or not, the leaders of my church write books, our annual budget this year just went over 8 million dollars. Yet they all drive cars that are early 2000 model cars. They all live in houses in the inner city, they do not wear hundred dollar suits, or do all the things wealthy people do. They give their money to the poor. And needy, they support inner city youth trying to give them a life free from gangs and crime, they give tons of money to overseas areas in many nations in supporting local churches over their (they have even gone over and help start some)

So I do not trust Olsteen to give the correct gospel. And I defiantly do not trust him as managing his money the way God would desire. So no. I would never support him, And that is my view. People are more than welcome to disagree with me, and that is fine..

 

[JGIG]

New Testament -

Jesus - rich and prosperous?
Paul - rich and prosperous?
Peter - rich and prosperous?
John - rich and prosperous?
John the Baptist - rich and prosperous?
James - rich and prosperous?
etc., etc, etc,

From, "Are There Wealthy People in the Bible?"

Dr. Glenn Sunshine and Dr. Jay Richards both point to the Old Testament examples of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob – these patriarchs of the faith were wealthy men. Job was also wealthy. Sunshine points out that these examples remind us that:

Although Scripture has some very harsh things to say about the wealthy, this does not mean that all of them are evil or under divine judgment. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Job were rich and yet were also approved by God. Just as poverty doesn’t guarantee virtue, wealth does not guarantee vice.


​

In his discussion of Acts 2-5, Art Lindsley lists several examples from the New Testament of wealthy believers who gave generously to those in need. Among these Christians are:

• Joseph, called Barnabas (Acts 4:36-37)
• Dorcas (Acts 9:36)
• Cornelius (Acts 10:1)
• Sergius Paulus (Acts 13:6-12)
• Lydia (Acts 16:14-15)
• Jason (Acts 17:5-9)
• Aquila and Priscilla (Acts 18:2-3)
• Mnason of Cyprus (Acts 21:16)
• Philemon (Philemon 1)
  
  

These believers lived faithful Christian lives in addition to enjoying wealth. It’s important to take note of the example they set. Art makes a point of saying these people “were wealthy and gave generously.” Their actions illustrate the responsibilities placed upon the wealthy because of how they have been blessed.

In an earlier post, Glenn Sunshine digs deeper into the obligations of the rich, saying,

Scripture is very clear that the wealthy have obligations to the poor that God takes very seriously.


​

Among the obligations Sunshine lists are:

• Treating the poor with fairness.
• Not using the courts to defraud the poor.
• Not taking advantage of another’s misfortune.
• Preserving the dignity of the poor by providing opportunities for work.

We encourage you to read more of Dr. Sunshine’s series to learn more about this topic.
Again, God’s real concern, Sunshine writes, is not necessarily with wealth or poverty, but with righteousness and justice.
_______________________________________________________________________________


Some good food for thought.

-JGIG

 

[p_rehbein]

run through that NT list and see how many were "rich" before becoming followers of Christ, and how many (once they accepted Christ) sought to become "rich." Just wondering here.......

Prosperity Gospel is one I will not accept as ever being part of the Gospel of Christ........sorry.

If folks want to, that's between them and God......


(edited to add)

Those in the OT do not count as they were under the 1st Covenant, and NOT the New Covenant which is ruled by the Gospel of Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

From, "Are There Wealthy People in the Bible?"

Dr. Glenn Sunshine and Dr. Jay Richards both point to the Old Testament examples of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob – these patriarchs of the faith were wealthy men. Job was also wealthy. Sunshine points out that these examples remind us that:

Although Scripture has some very harsh things to say about the wealthy, this does not mean that all of them are evil or under divine judgment. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Job were rich and yet were also approved by God. Just as poverty doesn’t guarantee virtue, wealth does not guarantee vice.


​

In his discussion of Acts 2-5, Art Lindsley lists several examples from the New Testament of wealthy believers who gave generously to those in need. Among these Christians are:

• Joseph, called Barnabas (Acts 4:36-37)
• Dorcas (Acts 9:36)
• Cornelius (Acts 10:1)
• Sergius Paulus (Acts 13:6-12)
• Lydia (Acts 16:14-15)
• Jason (Acts 17:5-9)
• Aquila and Priscilla (Acts 18:2-3)
• Mnason of Cyprus (Acts 21:16)
• Philemon (Philemon 1)
  
  

These believers lived faithful Christian lives in addition to enjoying wealth. It’s important to take note of the example they set. Art makes a point of saying these people “were wealthy and gave generously.” Their actions illustrate the responsibilities placed upon the wealthy because of how they have been blessed.

In an earlier post, Glenn Sunshine digs deeper into the obligations of the rich, saying,

Scripture is very clear that the wealthy have obligations to the poor that God takes very seriously.


​

Among the obligations Sunshine lists are:

• Treating the poor with fairness.
• Not using the courts to defraud the poor.
• Not taking advantage of another’s misfortune.
• Preserving the dignity of the poor by providing opportunities for work.

We encourage you to read more of Dr. Sunshine’s series to learn more about this topic.
Again, God’s real concern, Sunshine writes, is not necessarily with wealth or poverty, but with righteousness and justice.
_______________________________________________________________________________


Some good food for thought.

-JGIG

The argument here is not that God does not bless some people with money, I personally believe God has given a spiritual gift of giving, and he has blessed those people above and beyond, I also believe,m dou to greed and selfish desires, other christians can become wealthy also. But you see in their lives and what they give, an issue.

anyway

The issue here is that God promises to heal all people and it is his desire to make all people financially secure. This is the issue (wof) This is the point CHester was trying to make, by showing not everyone in scripture had wealth, many would be considered living in poverty, including Jesus himself.

 

[JGIG]

[for me anyway] you do have a great hunger and thirst for righteousness, but it is misplaced by free-thinking, which characters like whom you've mentioned look for. In Christ we are to deny our own will, and by all means learn to not think above (beyond) that which is written, to avoid exaggeration and over-estimation, which is exactly where listening to any one other than the Lord Jesus Christ comes from. Again if we do not deny our own will, then we cannot cast down imaginations and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God; neither can we bring into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ, except we repent ourselves of our own will, and rid ourselves of free-thinking.

The Christian life is not a perpetual denying of our own wills, but the Holy Spirit renewing our minds so that our wills align with God's will. The result?

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. (from Phil. 2)​

God invites us to participate in what He's doing. He is not our Puppet Master. In His grace He teaches us and guides us, and as we learn to trust Him, our will aligns with His, making it our joy to serve our King - not as slaves, but as sons and daughters \o/!


-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Two users in particular for quite some time have mocked Joaniemarie in her threads, and other believers like their posts, perpetuating that ungodly behavior. They are passive aggressive, and often use sarcasm. They put up a facade of righteousness and being well informed of the Bible, but talk is cheap. Where is the love? All Joanie is asking is for people to listen to a review that may clarify one's perspective of a preacher that previously they may have had a disdain for out of bias, and ignorance (and false information).

This thread practically confirmed the OP's point.

Which begs the question: Who is demonstrating the Fruit of the Spirit in this thread? Conversely, if the Fruit of the Spirit is not evident by those who mock, aggressively insult, and perpetuate falsehoods, who is reflecting Christ?

Now imagine the unbeliever watching from the outside. The accused 'heretics' are demonstrating Christ-like behavior, while those who have labeled them as heretics are persecuting those who are demonstrating Christ-like behavior, while engaging in some very anti-Christ-like behavior.

It is truly baffling that those aggressors cannot see their own gross error.

-JGIG

 

[Speak2Me]

Speak2Me,

do you ever go to the Gods Sabbath Thread...surely that thread is equal in its errancy as Freegrace...yet you keeping gunning for Freegrace is there something you want to share, some bad experience in your past with a Freegracer as you like to call them.

Is this the best you can do?!?

This is like trying to cover up manure with more manure.

 

[Speak2Me]

Which is all you asked anyone to do .

Fascinating the big, fat, hairy deal they've made of this, eh?

Match point to you, joaniemarie .

-JGIG

Say what you want.......... you will anyway.

This post means.................. nothing.

Just another freegrace supporter tryin to bail JM out.

Didn't work.

 

[UnderGrace]

I always seek to understand before being understood...how else can there be meaningful conversation, this is a discussion board no?

That's okay if you do not wish to share.

Is this the best you can do?!?

This is like trying to cover up manure with more manure.

 

[JGIG]

Because you may be labeling Osteen a heretic in error.

I'm not a big fan of Joel Osteen. He's a bit of a floof ball as far as theological content goes.

Here's the thing: Evangelizing and expository teaching of theology is not Osteen's calling.

Encouraging and building up the Body of Christ is Osteen's calling.

He's not a prophet, teacher, or even a preacher so much as an encourager and a builder-upper.

Does he make a lot of money? Yep. Yet he takes no salary from his church. He sells a lot of books - because guess what? The Body of Christ actually needs to be encouraged and built up, and it turns out that lots of folks buy his books! And he gives gobs of money away. Ooooh, how evil!

Those who are making Osteen out to be a heretic are doing so without actually checking his theology and who refuse to actually watch him preach, and are measuring him without taking into account what God has called him to, as well as what God has NOT called him to. His statement of faith is sound on his site, and the times I've seen him preach, he's pointing to Christ and building up the believer.

I must say, I'm always a bit baffled how folks who are so solid in many areas get so crazy because of what they heard or read about what someone else said they heard about ol' so and so.

Still love ya, EG ,
JGIG

Building up the body of christ with false teachings i find very questionable, because the people see in him a teacher who speaks the truth.
It is not our Business to judge him. But we have the Duty to compare his teachings with the scripture. So far he is teaching what is not written.
Wether he finally build up ore not. The Lord will decide, not we.

Yet no one has given examples from his actual messages. Only a bad interview for which he later offered apologies and corrections to reflect his beliefs more accurately - and they are not contrary to the essentials of the Christian faith.

-JGIG

 

[Chester]

From, "Are There Wealthy People in the Bible?"

Dr. Glenn Sunshine and Dr. Jay Richards both point to the Old Testament examples of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob – these patriarchs of the faith were wealthy men. Job was also wealthy. Sunshine points out that these examples remind us that:

Although Scripture has some very harsh things to say about the wealthy, this does not mean that all of them are evil or under divine judgment. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and Job were rich and yet were also approved by God. Just as poverty doesn’t guarantee virtue, wealth does not guarantee vice.


​

In his discussion of Acts 2-5, Art Lindsley lists several examples from the New Testament of wealthy believers who gave generously to those in need. Among these Christians are:

• Joseph, called Barnabas (Acts 4:36-37)
• Dorcas (Acts 9:36)
• Cornelius (Acts 10:1)
• Sergius Paulus (Acts 13:6-12)
• Lydia (Acts 16:14-15)
• Jason (Acts 17:5-9)
• Aquila and Priscilla (Acts 18:2-3)
• Mnason of Cyprus (Acts 21:16)
• Philemon (Philemon 1)
  
  

These believers lived faithful Christian lives in addition to enjoying wealth. It’s important to take note of the example they set. Art makes a point of saying these people “were wealthy and gave generously.” Their actions illustrate the responsibilities placed upon the wealthy because of how they have been blessed.

In an earlier post, Glenn Sunshine digs deeper into the obligations of the rich, saying,

Scripture is very clear that the wealthy have obligations to the poor that God takes very seriously.


​

Among the obligations Sunshine lists are:

• Treating the poor with fairness.
• Not using the courts to defraud the poor.
• Not taking advantage of another’s misfortune.
• Preserving the dignity of the poor by providing opportunities for work.

We encourage you to read more of Dr. Sunshine’s series to learn more about this topic.
Again, God’s real concern, Sunshine writes, is not necessarily with wealth or poverty, but with righteousness and justice.
_______________________________________________________________________________


Some good food for thought.

-JGIG

Saying that there were rich people in the New Testament that did well with their riches and were generous is one thing: and I agree with that point.

The prosperity doctrine and the teaching that there is physical healing in the atonement means that everyone should be wealthy and healthy (if you have enough faith)!

That is why I mentioned Jesus, Paul, Peter, and John, and James - the key persons in the New Testament: do their lives match the modern prosperity doctrine?

 

[Speak2Me]

Which begs the question: Who is demonstrating the Fruit of the Spirit in this thread? Conversely, if the Fruit of the Spirit is not evident by those who mock, aggressively insult, and perpetuate falsehoods, who is reflecting Christ?

Now imagine the unbeliever watching from the outside. The accused 'heretics' are demonstrating Christ-like behavior, while those who have labeled them as heretics are persecuting those who are demonstrating Christ-like behavior, while engaging in some very anti-Christ-like behavior.

It is truly baffling that those aggressors cannot see their own gross error.

-JGIG

I want to personally thank you for this post, because it's perfect for explaning the freegracer's tactics.

1. Post a thread on freegrace.
2. Portray yourself as the victim being verbally beaten up by true christians & while make yourself look vulnerable.
3. Talking "christianeze" to promote false christian character. (note that it's always mentioned by cohorts)
4. Cohorts come in the thread to "save" the perpetrator from ruin, & "confirming" she's a victim.
5. Can't forget this one..... Every cohort posts at least one post "slamming " true christians for exposing the "victim". They scatter out their accusations & insults so no one person gets banned.

Wolves they call us. I call it propaganda & misinformation.

 

[JGIG]

Yet this thread is about reading what someone else said, or heard about someone else.

See the irony?

Love you also sis.

As for Olsteen, I saw what he said, I have to take him at his word. Apologizing because you got called out (funny how many people in here saw the interview but did not even know he made a retraction of apology, why is that? Sounds suspicious to me!!..and to me, it does not change what you believe. You would never say what you said, especially on national tv knowing maybe millions are watching, unless you really believed it. As I said earlier, out of the mouth comes the abundance of the heart.

as for the flood issue, Even if what was said is true, it happened because someone has a reputation of bing a person who gets rich off of Jesus (be it books or not, the leaders of my church write books, our annual budget this year just went over 8 million dollars. Yet they all drive cars that are early 2000 model cars. They all live in houses in the inner city, they do not wear hundred dollar suits, or do all the things wealthy people do. They give their money to the poor. And needy, they support inner city youth trying to give them a life free from gangs and crime, they give tons of money to overseas areas in many nations in supporting local churches over their (they have even gone over and help start some)

So I do not trust Olsteen to give the correct gospel. And I defiantly do not trust him as managing his money the way God would desire. So no. I would never support him, And that is my view. People are more than welcome to disagree with me, and that is fine..

I hear you, I do. And he makes choices with his wealth that make many Christians uncomfortable. He states that he gives millions away every year. Is it 10%? 50%? 75%? Even if it were 75%, he'd still have exponentially more money (measured in the millions) than I likely ever will! And I'm okay with that. Some people - even Christians - have lots of money. And if Osteen is earning it and not stealing it (which is the case), what business is it of any of us how big a house he chooses to live in as he gives millions away? The fruit of his ministry is not bad - it is good, and he has a growing ministry, which ironically many Christians condemn him for! The guy can't win.

I guess I was surprised at your tone on this thread. You have, in the past (and I've not been here much in the past year - our large family moved 900 miles and we're still getting our feet under us), tended to be more even-handed and fair in these types of things. Yet you have leaned on what others have said about him which has fed your distrust of him. I always thought you were a 'go to the source to find out what's what' type of guy. And then if you disagree with his lifestyle or the focus of his preaching, fine. But to label him a heretic and stating that you 'do not trust Osteen to give the correct gospel' without evaluating what he himself says about the Gospel . . . my friend, in that, YOU are in error.

-JGIG

 

[UnderGrace]

JGIG, what can I say but thank-you

Baffling indeed!!

Which begs the question: Who is demonstrating the Fruit of the Spirit in this thread? Conversely, if the Fruit of the Spirit is not evident by those who mock, aggressively insult, and perpetuate falsehoods, who is reflecting Christ?

Now imagine the unbeliever watching from the outside. The accused 'heretics' are demonstrating Christ-like behavior, while those who have labeled them as heretics are persecuting those who are demonstrating Christ-like behavior, while engaging in some very anti-Christ-like behavior.

It is truly baffling that those aggressors cannot see their own gross error.

-JGIG