JUDAS IN HELL?

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I must ask what is point of this thread?

Why speculate about the eternal destiny of 1 man, when obviously nobody knows the eternal destiny of anyone except maybe themselves.
And again, we are not to speculate for anyone, husband, wife, child, friend, stranger, foe, Judas Escariot.
It is the touching of a dead corpse that Moses warned against, and it requires a special cleansing to be able to stop doing it.
There is only one way to escape this heartbreaking and hopeless problem of uncertainty, and few are compassionate enough to entertain it.

the true repentance of course pray and confess by your words..then show in action...but so sad if Judas truly confessed from what he did..he will definitely not hung himself..
Two accounts of what Judas did contradict because of English translation. To have two witnesses, they must agree. In the greek language, they do agree. He neither hung himself nor exploded into pieces, nor did he hang himself then fall from the rope breaking or his body rotting and explode into pieces.

He grieved so harshly over what he had done that he wrenched and "puked his guts out", and was never heard from again.
Sorry if that idea disappoints Judas haters.
But people believe that he was so evil that he deserved to kill himself and go to the worst imaginable hell, and will not entertain anything but two contradicting English translations, somehow excusing God or the witnesses from contradictions that in English aren't even close to each other, even if the translation errors be pointed out.
I've tried before and for the most part, gave up, because the only rebuttal is "he was the devil! he was the devil!"
Every single one of us betrays Jesus for money when we drive past the guy with the cardboard "help" sign, or when we give knowing without a doubt in our heart that there's no way he's sleeping in our house or even our garage tonight.

Judah and Judas both represent the sin of monetarily capitalizing on an imminent situation that they had written off as "doomed anyway"

"If the store is already being looted by dozens, I might as well grab myself a laptop. Make that two."

Their names are not coincidental, God quietly inspired their parents to name them appropriately for the recording of what they would do in life, just like every single one of us.
Both of them utterly repented of their mistake.
 

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Repent does not always mean from the past life of sin, repent means a change of heart, a change of mind. Pahroah did not repent of the idea of letting the Children of Israel go to worship Elohim.

When God repented of destroying the Children of Israel, this could have been said just as easily, God changed His mind. Or saying it passivly, God had a change of heart.

One should never bind his prejudices of word definitions on all words, one should first understand what words' definitions and histories are before making fixed declarations.
 

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Forgive my par-flooding, but I forgot to mention to the person who questioned why the OP in the first place. This is a good question. The best reason from my thought processes is fairly simple. God bothered to inspire His prophet to foretell all about Judas and his betraying of the Innocent One in Psalm 109. In so foretelling us, His children, it is a lesson, and it is to inform us so we not be ignorant of the lesson in this example of pure villany.
 
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To wonder if he will be in paradise is to gaze upon a corpse. To actually worry about it is to touch a corpse.
To be satisfied that he will not be in paradise, is to eat leavened bread. To be satisfied that he certainly will be is to eat unleavened bread.
Couldn't you say the same about Satan? Pray for him to be in heaven! Where do we start drawing the line?
If this guy had true repentance then why did he kill himself which is against the law?

It sounds like when people try to defend Bonhoeffer. "Well he was just trying to stop Hitler from killing people" Yeah by killing him--which is plainly contrary to God's will. If God wanted him to be dead, he would be dead. What other laws do I need to violate in order to satisfy God's will? Do I need to rape in order to bring new life into the world? Do I need to kill people in order to stop them from spreading heresies?

Truth is a thin line. That's why the road is narrow and people slip and fall off of it ALL the time.
 

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judus was made to be burnt in the oven
No one is made to be burnt in an oven but God knows which ones will burn when he creates them. There is a big difference. If they burn it is from the choices they make.
 
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I've heard some Catholics say "Who knows if Judas is saved" even though the Bible quite clearly shows this guy to be satanic in nature.
I am curious. It is true that without Jesus' execution there could be no salvation. Without the crucifixion of his person there could be no Christianity. My question is was the role played by Judas essential to the working of God's plan? Was it necessary that someone identify Jesus to the authorities so that this human sacrifice could take place? If Judas had not identified Jesus to the authorities would it have been necessary that Jesus turn himself in at this time? If Jesus had turned himself over would the sacrifice have had the same saving properties?
 
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The Word says Judas repented, in my opinion Judas was tricked, i don't think he was being devious. Maybe the religious leaders said they just wanted to talk to Jesus, and once Judas realized what he had done he couldn't live with it.
 
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The Word says Judas repented, in my opinion Judas was tricked, i don't think he was being devious. Maybe the religious leaders said they just wanted to talk to Jesus, and once Judas realized what he had done he couldn't live with it.
I suspect Jesus and all his apostles knew that his enemies wanted him permanently removed.
 
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Judas went to hell....It was Gods plan that Judas betray Jesus. Hence Jesus call Judas a friend. ...Friends sell you out....But when Jesus went down to hell to preach, im sure Judas was the first to grab hold of him and leave with him
 
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Judas went to hell....It was Gods plan that Judas betray Jesus. Hence Jesus call Judas a friend. ...Friends sell you out....But when Jesus went down to hell to preach, im sure Judas was the first to grab hold of him and leave with him
Where does it say that Jesus went to Hell to preach?
 

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Psalm 109........Again...........the entire story of Christ's betrayal.
 

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I often wonder if Judas hung himself before or after Christ was crucified. If Christ had risen already and our sins forgiven us, then it makes me wonder if Judas (with his last dying breath asked for forgivness)?
If Christ had not risen yet, then Judas would had to have sacrificed to God to cover his sins & that doesn't seem likely. Kinda makes me wonder if Judas is going to be there when we get there. Anybody else got any comments?
imo. he is there, he repented, he believed and remember Christ was accused of being God. He forgave sins before the cross, as one in particular was healed and the Pharisees attacked him.
And he said what is easier to say:

Matthew 9:5 For whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Arise, and walk?

Was that not before the cross and ther eare other places as well
God wants us to learn:
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance
Matthew 12:7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

And God is truly the one that knows our hearts personally and it is God that does the saving not Man. I do not care how righteous anyone might appear or not




 
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Where does it say that Jesus went to Hell to preach?

Ephi. 4:9 Explains it not to mention 1 Peter 3:19 explains it too. The lower parts are hell just as the upper parts are heaven. ...But as Jesus said get thee behind me Satan.
 
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cjordan38

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Where does it say that it was God's plan that Judas betray Jesus?
How about you ask God.....You ask this question as if you dont know the answer....Thats just like saying It wasnt a plan for Jesus coming...
 
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Where does it say that it was God's plan that Judas betray Jesus?
Zacharias 11, 12-13.
Also, in Genesis, Joseph is being sold by his brothers for 30 silver coins. This story can be seen as an analogy for the betrayal of Judas.
 
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1 Peter 3:19 says "In the body he was put to death; in the spirit he was brought to life...." What does it me that he was brought to life "in the spirit"?
 

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Cycel, I think with all these questions about the Bible, it may be to your best advantage to get one and read it. There are plenty of Bibles on line for free that you can download and use for free. It seems everything a believer says here you ask where it is written. It woudl behoove you to just read the Bible, and it would be less time consuiming for you.
 
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Zacharias 11, 12-13.
Also, in Genesis, Joseph is being sold by his brothers for 30 silver coins. This story can be seen as an analogy for the betrayal of Judas.
It is only an allegory for Jesus if it is being retold in the New Testament. In of itself the events of Zacharia and Genesis predate the Crucifixion by many centuries. There can be no historical connection except through wishful thinking, but thank you.