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Jesus said to love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and strength, and to love others as you love yourself.
Love is patient.
Love is kind.
Love is not easily angered.
Your words spoken here already display impatience, unkindness, and quickness to anger. What good is your telling of the Gospel if you don't live it yourself? You will know a tree by its fruit; your fruit is not looking too good from what I can see.
To know what Jesus said is great; to live what Jesus said is so much greater.
Love is patient.
Love is kind.
Love is not easily angered.
Your words spoken here already display impatience, unkindness, and quickness to anger. What good is your telling of the Gospel if you don't live it yourself? You will know a tree by its fruit; your fruit is not looking too good from what I can see.
To know what Jesus said is great; to live what Jesus said is so much greater.
Really, MidwestStudent gets insulted, told he is learning nothing in Seminary that God has not taught others through "meditation" (??), and you bash him? There really is a mindset, which I have encountered constantly in this forum that being educated somehow interferes with your relationship with God.
Besides the things which Student mentioned, the biggest thing that seminary did for me, was totally transform my relationship with God. Now, I had always heard from God and was close to hima. I had studied the Bible extensively before going to Seminary. But in no way did my personal studies even come close to the things God taught me through the professors at seminary. Sometimes, the Holy Spirit uses people, books, other students, etc, etc to help us grow in the Lord.
I have always encouraged people who can, to go to seminary which, by the way, is far different that a few years at Bible College. Seminary is a Master's degree level, and the professors I had all had to have Ph.D's, because the governing bodies required it, with good reason. All of my professors were former missionaries and pastors. They had spent a minimum of 10 years on the mission field, in various countries leading people to the Lord. Bible college is more like undergrad studies. Not quite the same.
Anyway, I really do get a bit miffed at the attitudes of many people to those who are spending an incredible amount of time and money, TO FOLLOW THE LEADING OF GOD! The students I met in Seminary, were dedicated and called by God. They are now in the mission field, pastoring in small towns, planting churches. And pretty much all of those students had other jobs and careers including advanced secular degrees, which they left behind to follow God.
Anyway, further to my last post, I actually said that what I saw of Logos doesn't compare to the books and things I learned at Seminary. I know some of my tech savy profs used it, but it was just too expensive for me to justify buying, even if I was a full time pastor, which I am not, because of my health issues.
Oh yes, one important thing seminary also taught me was how to evaluate false doctrine in context of Scripture. There are quite a few people on this thread alone who, just by the few postings I have seen them make, have been totally led astray by false teachers.
Too many people who think looking something up in Strong's qualifies them as a master of Greek or Hebrew. And I am talking about internet preachers who do NOT have a clue about sound doctrine.
"must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." Titus 1:9
"preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths." 2 Tim. 2:2-4
Besides the things which Student mentioned, the biggest thing that seminary did for me, was totally transform my relationship with God. Now, I had always heard from God and was close to hima. I had studied the Bible extensively before going to Seminary. But in no way did my personal studies even come close to the things God taught me through the professors at seminary. Sometimes, the Holy Spirit uses people, books, other students, etc, etc to help us grow in the Lord.
I have always encouraged people who can, to go to seminary which, by the way, is far different that a few years at Bible College. Seminary is a Master's degree level, and the professors I had all had to have Ph.D's, because the governing bodies required it, with good reason. All of my professors were former missionaries and pastors. They had spent a minimum of 10 years on the mission field, in various countries leading people to the Lord. Bible college is more like undergrad studies. Not quite the same.
Anyway, I really do get a bit miffed at the attitudes of many people to those who are spending an incredible amount of time and money, TO FOLLOW THE LEADING OF GOD! The students I met in Seminary, were dedicated and called by God. They are now in the mission field, pastoring in small towns, planting churches. And pretty much all of those students had other jobs and careers including advanced secular degrees, which they left behind to follow God.
Anyway, further to my last post, I actually said that what I saw of Logos doesn't compare to the books and things I learned at Seminary. I know some of my tech savy profs used it, but it was just too expensive for me to justify buying, even if I was a full time pastor, which I am not, because of my health issues.
Oh yes, one important thing seminary also taught me was how to evaluate false doctrine in context of Scripture. There are quite a few people on this thread alone who, just by the few postings I have seen them make, have been totally led astray by false teachers.
Too many people who think looking something up in Strong's qualifies them as a master of Greek or Hebrew. And I am talking about internet preachers who do NOT have a clue about sound doctrine.
"must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." Titus 1:9
"preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.3 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths." 2 Tim. 2:2-4
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Truly, if God leads, then bible school and seminary will servevto benefit a person, but we don't require it. What we often witness in online Christian forums us the character that presumes to descend upon the lowly with a lofty self image, seeking (itching) to lead and lord. It is easily seen and not liked by most. Simply put, it is self-seeking behaviour. Generally, the forum population deals with it.
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Yes, and the forum will also deal with false teachers who tell people who are sick they are not following God. That is the biggest lie of all going on from time to time in this forum, and from certain posters!
And true, not everyone needs Seminary, but that is why they need to be discerning and find a good church with a pastor who is Biblical and following God, not the doctrines of men (on the internet, especially!)
I think everyone has to follow what the Lord is leading them to do individually. Whether you go to bible school or to a seminary or you stay home is all irrelevant . Each of us has a role to play. If we are to be a hand...the eye is not more important. We all have a part in the Body of Christ.
The reality with all bible schools or seminaries is that you get what the teachers believe themselves. For example - you go to a school that does not believe in speaking in tongues....they will teach all their students the same thing....and thus you get a whole bunch of people armed with the truth of God how tongues is not for today. And of course everyone that believes in speaking in tongues is in serious error.
And this goes for any doctrine in the church. They will say.."You do not have sound doctrine..like me..so you are led astray"....it's the nature of the beast.
Even if one knows all the intricacies of the original languaes...it is still spiritually discerned. The natural mind cannot receive the things of God. Jesus told the disciples 14 times he was going to die and they still didn't get it!....lol...Us humans eh?
So, you see...we are back to relying on the Holy Spirit to guide us. Be open to receive the word of God and to repent to believe what the Lord is showing us. But we should be searching the scriptures to see if what is being said is the truth.
Let's be Berean-like sons and daughters of our Lord!
Acts 17:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
The reality with all bible schools or seminaries is that you get what the teachers believe themselves. For example - you go to a school that does not believe in speaking in tongues....they will teach all their students the same thing....and thus you get a whole bunch of people armed with the truth of God how tongues is not for today. And of course everyone that believes in speaking in tongues is in serious error.
And this goes for any doctrine in the church. They will say.."You do not have sound doctrine..like me..so you are led astray"....it's the nature of the beast.
Even if one knows all the intricacies of the original languaes...it is still spiritually discerned. The natural mind cannot receive the things of God. Jesus told the disciples 14 times he was going to die and they still didn't get it!....lol...Us humans eh?
So, you see...we are back to relying on the Holy Spirit to guide us. Be open to receive the word of God and to repent to believe what the Lord is showing us. But we should be searching the scriptures to see if what is being said is the truth.
Let's be Berean-like sons and daughters of our Lord!
Acts 17:11 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so.
So I thought perhaps I was wrong about who started fighting with who. So I went back to page 2, post #53, and found this by you, Warrior for Christ. You asked a direct question which implied, using the negative that people don't need seminary, just the Holy Spirit to lead them.
So yes, you started this little war, which is one that I see all the time on-line here. There are some wonderful people who just want to learn and grow in God, including a deeper study of the Bible, and the resulting walk with Jesus. But there are some very ignorant people who think that they can just camp out with their Bible, quote things out of context and the matter is settled.
I do not think everyone needs to go to Seminary or Bible College to walk with Christ. But I also take great offense at being constantly told that I didn't need seminary, that it made me in some way vain, (Perhaps they needed to know me BEFORE Seminary, LOL!) and that in fact, one doesn't even need a pastor to teach them, just make it up as you go along.
I am someone that truly values education. When God called me, I had to fight my own pastor and quite a few others to go to Seminary. But I knew God had spoken. In fact, God called me to seminary in the 1990's and I didn't tell a single person, because I did not think that was the path God had for me. In other words, I did not hear God saying it, which in retrospect is weird, because at that point in my life, I did not want to go to Seminary, for quite a few reasons, so why would I make up a call from God?
But after all I suffered after that, physically, and God restoring me in so many ways, I listened the second time God called me to Seminary. I fought my way to getting not just my degree, but soaking up all that God had to give me, from people who were godly, and knew so much more than I did about things like hermeneutics, languages and the skills to help people. I have been helping people on-line and in person, since long before I graduated. I can only praise God for the incredible ministry he has given me to the hurting and broken, and the way he has equipped me to do the job he has called me to do.
And yes, Student does have some work to do on responding to others. But then, don't we all!?
So yes, you started this little war, which is one that I see all the time on-line here. There are some wonderful people who just want to learn and grow in God, including a deeper study of the Bible, and the resulting walk with Jesus. But there are some very ignorant people who think that they can just camp out with their Bible, quote things out of context and the matter is settled.
I do not think everyone needs to go to Seminary or Bible College to walk with Christ. But I also take great offense at being constantly told that I didn't need seminary, that it made me in some way vain, (Perhaps they needed to know me BEFORE Seminary, LOL!) and that in fact, one doesn't even need a pastor to teach them, just make it up as you go along.
I am someone that truly values education. When God called me, I had to fight my own pastor and quite a few others to go to Seminary. But I knew God had spoken. In fact, God called me to seminary in the 1990's and I didn't tell a single person, because I did not think that was the path God had for me. In other words, I did not hear God saying it, which in retrospect is weird, because at that point in my life, I did not want to go to Seminary, for quite a few reasons, so why would I make up a call from God?
But after all I suffered after that, physically, and God restoring me in so many ways, I listened the second time God called me to Seminary. I fought my way to getting not just my degree, but soaking up all that God had to give me, from people who were godly, and knew so much more than I did about things like hermeneutics, languages and the skills to help people. I have been helping people on-line and in person, since long before I graduated. I can only praise God for the incredible ministry he has given me to the hurting and broken, and the way he has equipped me to do the job he has called me to do.
And yes, Student does have some work to do on responding to others. But then, don't we all!?
Good question. There appears to be varied opinions on that. Here is just one to wet your whistle (not that I agree with the article)...
Was the Septuagint the Bible of Christ and the Apostles?
Was the Septuagint the Bible of Christ and the Apostles?
I first used Biblesoft PC Study Bible around 1992 when it was 3 1/2" disks. That was the program then. But last time I tried loading up my past purchases on my computer they limited me to a certain number (I think 25 or 30) and anything more they wanted me to pay extra...and these were ones I had already purchased!! I seldom use them anymore, they fell behind with the technology and now are trying to catch up...too little too late.
