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And, Mayo? Here's the scary part. This is the guy who is leading a teens bible study on here.
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Only you are so confused to think that Paul and Christ are in anyway at odds ... Paul spoke of people like you, when he said "anyone" even a angel from heaven that preached any other gospel than what he preached ..was cursed! That ALL MEN would be judged by HIS GOSPEL ...now you either have to deny the evident word of God or accept it? If you deny Pauls wirittings ? You are a clear and evident heretic ...
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Nice to see this thread has taken a downward spiral into most of the participants having to explain and re-explain what they mean and to combat what others are misinterpreting because they jump to conclusions, read into what written other than accept it as-is, or cloud it with their own delusions of being right while everyone else is wrong.
This thread, like many others, had potential.
Yeah, I know..."if you don't like it, then leave".
This thread, like many others, had potential.
Yeah, I know..."if you don't like it, then leave".
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Let me clarify. I haven't seen Mayo deny the epistles. I saw him tell you to take any of the red letter words for explanation of what he believes Jesus said. He ain't wrong. You making this into an I'll-learn-you-you-ignorant-lout thingy doesn't change that. It just makes you look like you think you alone understand all. Which, frankly, only one person on this site believes -- you.
because that's just generally what certain people do, i think.
this place isn't bad -- in fact it's just like the scriptures tell us. that there are wheat and tares sown together, and that there are people you are better off not having much to do with, and that God has given us all a measure of faith, as He determines, according to His own good pleasure - so that some teach, some encourage, some provide hospitality, and all love -- all are parts and no one is greater than the least.
it's a microcosm, and the nature of it being a discussion board amplifies certain human faults and attracts certain kinds of people, one being people who 'have it all figured out' and desire an audience but get very upset over being corrected, and another being people who love to criticize others - for whatever reason.
some people are very put off by this and refuse to get into the Bible discussion section of the forum at all, like Ugly said. some people have left the site altogether over arguments erupting there.
but the scriptures told us all this -- that false teachers would arise, and to give them no quarter. that false prophets would arise, and not to give them an ear. that people come who stir up dissension and trouble every time they speak, and to have little to do with them.
i suppose you have to have a thick skin, and patience, and to be able to forgive and love mercy to spend much time here. maybe i do -- if so, i have only God to thank, who makes me.
i've certainly been edified here, and grown in understanding and wisdom. sometimes directly, reading what people have been given to teach, and sometimes indirectly, by His grace and the the instruction of the Spirit, seeing flaws in what some others think they are teaching, and sometimes a mix of direct and indirect learning, seeing how my impatience leads to bad outcomes, and patience is virtuous, and how some things should be addressed quickly before false doctrine gets to spread roots. whether it goes on being talked about because the moderators show lenience, or it's nipped in its youth, if correction is posted, it's posted, and whoever has eyes God has opened, will see.
i love this place, i do.
but i know that yes, there are people who think they are teachers, who are not. and there are people who imagine they are doing good, who are not. there is freedom here -- and perhaps a necessary result of freedom is that mistakes are made.
the spirit of God works here -- and many true brothers and sisters are here.
i hope you remain, for a time anyway, Officermayo, and don't be afraid to accept that certain people aren't really worth talking to -- because many others certainly are
you seem like you probably already know a lot of this, and have no small amount of His grace -- so hopefully confirming what you suspect will be ab encouragement, if nothing else, and consider this post's "WELCOME TO CC" too
((thought Magenta's is a lot more appealing to the eye ♥))
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No, you really didn't. The only thing I got is he's Arminian. While I disagree with that, it doesn't mean the person is a heretic.
This thread began as a discussion (in a humorous way) about how folks twist the WORDS OF JESUS.
It's not about what my personal definition of the Gospel.
It's not about a Paul vs Jesus debate.
It's not about hunting down and exposing heretics.
It's about THE WORDS OF JESUS.
Please, folks. If you have nothing to contribute to THAT discussion, start a thread on your own topic and have at it.
Now, back to the topic. The red letter Bible didn't show up until around the early 1900s and was (and pretty much still is) an American thing. When it debuted there were those who objected for fear that the words of Jesus (in red ink) would come to be held in higher esteem than those that were not. I personally use only black letter Bibles, except for one volume I have that has the words of Jesus in the NT AND the words of God in the OT printed in red.
As far as twisting His words goes, I think part of it may be due to the proliferation of different version of the Holy Writ. Maybe it's the Mandela Effect for all I know.
We all know someone in our lives who has at one time or another been guilty of the aforementioned personal interpretations of the words of Jesus. I once heard an elderly lady say, "If English was good enough for Jesus - it's good enough for me". I didn't even know where to start to try and explain the truth to her. "Money is the root of all evil" is another favorite of the scripture twisters. Yet another is the parable of the wheat and tares juxtaposed with the "As the days of Noah were......". So, how's about we get back on topic and you share your favorite example of someone twisting the words of the Lord?
No, you really didn't. The only thing I got is he's Arminian. While I disagree with that, it doesn't mean the person is a heretic.
yeah, i kinda got that too.
but it's by implication. there's not a whole lot of specific doctrine here that i feel like i ought to argue over.
not like i should go on a 'witch hunt' like Mitspa here..
and yeah -- i think i've probably said enough to let anyone know who reads post's posts ((poor souls)) that i am decidedly not Arminian either.
while i think that in its pure form is very much a view which is contrary to the actual true nature of things, i also believe that God will reveal the truth to all His children, in His own patient way on His own patient timescale. He teaches us perfectly, in the way that we will best learn -- and that can take an amount of time that's quite considerable from our perspective.
when He first redeemed me, i thought i "chose" God, and i thought i had to "try my best to follow Christ's example" too.
He was very patient in teaching me that this is not reality, not at all. but the truth is He chose me, and righteousness is submission to Him living in, through, and as me. it's not easy to learn or frankly to grasp.
this doesn't make someone an heretic.
it certainly doesn't mean it should be my life's purpose to turn his conversation into a flame war against him.
one thing i was very gravely mistaken about when i first came here was that i thought i needed to be stern and strongly rebuking everyone i disagreed with, holding them to the fire. maybe i do, in some cases.
but i saw people -- or rather, i saw Jesus living through some people -- who were incredibly meek, gentle and patient, expressing kindness and love while flatly rejecting lies and rebuking bad doctrine all in subtext. boy, i wanted to be like them!
i wanted Jesus to live in me, and as me, and through me -- not post.
i still do.
post is not very good at 'being Jesus' -- but Jesus, He's perfect at it.
it's the only way -- He is the Only Way
you know what?
that's not a very Arminian viewpoint, is it?
It's kind of like I heard a person say one time about the KJV. "If it was good enough for Paul and Silas - it's good enough for me".....
All of us are dependent on the revelation of the scriptures by the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ to us. ( especially His words whether they be from His own mouth in the gospels or from other's mouth's as when He revealed to Paul what happened at the cross and resurrection )
We are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ to us as Mary was dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Christ in her womb.
We can know the scriptures with our fleshly mind and still miss what they are really all about - just like the Pharisees did. They knew the scriptures with their minds but did not know Christ Himself.
The scriptures are NOT God themselves but they are supposed to lead us to complete trust in the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.
John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
All of us are dependent on the revelation of the scriptures by the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ to us. ( especially His words whether they be from His own mouth in the gospels or from other's mouth's as when He revealed to Paul what happened at the cross and resurrection )
We are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit to reveal Christ to us as Mary was dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Christ in her womb.
We can know the scriptures with our fleshly mind and still miss what they are really all about - just like the Pharisees did. They knew the scriptures with their minds but did not know Christ Himself.
The scriptures are NOT God themselves but they are supposed to lead us to complete trust in the Lord Jesus Christ Himself.
John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
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