Lot's of "Personal Interpretation" Going On In Some Of These Threads

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Officermayo

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Mitspa said:
I read some of your post there ...I ask a pretty simple and basic question that any bible student should understand goes to the foundation of the gospel ...a simple answer would have fulfilled the biblical requirement to be ready to give a answer ... But since you avoid the issue, I will assume you cannot "answer"
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I'm sure you know the saying about assuming. I care not to fall into some kind of trap that you seem to have laid but I'll say this. Please cut and past any scripture spoken by Jesus that supports the "salvation by faith alone" and then give more detail about what it is that one has faith in. I believe it would be having faith that the Gospels are true and that Jesus died to cover our sins and was resurrected. THAT is the gospel to me.
 
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Mitspa said:
First..who are you? second ..on a thread about "personal interpretation"...why would you find it odd that the issue of "sound" doctrine would be raised and discussed. I don't think the bathroom comment was called for or very godly
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I mean, its just going on, and on, and on to no end. Then your tone is derogatory. Sorry if the bathroom comment offended you, but you have to admit there seems to be a bit of pride in the mix. "I don't need to watch a guy..." and so on. But hey, you do you. The tone if off putting is all. I'll take back my two cents. :) Sorry.
 
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Officermayo said:
I'm sure you know the saying about assuming. I care not to fall into some kind of trap that you seem to have laid but I'll say this. Please cut and past any scripture spoken by Jesus that supports the "salvation by faith alone" and then give more detail about what it is that one has faith in. I believe it would be having faith that the Gospels are true and that Jesus died to cover our sins and was resurrected. THAT is the gospel to me.
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So are Pauls epistles not the "Word" of God ? I don't understand you requirement about "spoken" by Jesus? Do you deny the New testament epistles are the very Words of Jesus?
 
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I mean, its just going on, and on, and on to no end. Then your tone is derogatory. Sorry if the bathroom comment offended you, but you have to admit there seems to be a bit of pride in the mix. "I don't need to watch a guy..." and so on. But hey, you do you. The tone if off putting is all. I'll take back my two cents. :) Sorry.
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I didn't see pride between Willie and I ...we have had hundreds of conversations and never needed you or anyone else to referee ..especially with the rude attitude and tone you took. Your post was the best display of open pride on this thread to this point.

My point and intention was to discuss sound doctrine with the fellow who made this thread ...who seems to be trying to deny Pauls epistles ...Just as the Holy Spirit led me to do..by the way ... before Willie kinda got in the middle of the conversation ...as you seem to be trying to do as well .
 
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So are Pauls epistles not the "Word" of God ? I don't understand you requirement about "spoken" by Jesus? Do you deny the New testament epistles are the very Words of Jesus?
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You know what I mean - the words in red ink. THOSE are the words of Jesus.
 
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Magenta beat me to it welcome bro LOL had a good chuckle on this thread. Saying all that I am probably one of the contentious ones, the threads I comment on usually die or I am ignored completely. Hey Ho, I look forward to another one.
 
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Officermayo said:
You know what I mean - the words in red ink. THOSE are the words of Jesus.
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Again I don't understand ..are you suggesting the epistles of Paul are not the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the very Words of God Almighty? Please explain how anyone could discuss the gospel and not use Pauls epistles , unless you are like some heretics who deny Pauls epistles are the unchanging Word of God? The very Words of Jesus ..who is the Word of God.
 
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Mitspa said:
I didn't see pride between Willie and I ...we have had hundreds of conversations and never needed you or anyone else to referee ..especially with the rude attitude and tone you took. Your post was the best display of open pride on this thread to this point.

My point and intention was to discuss sound doctrine with the fellow who made this thread ...who seems to be trying to deny Pauls epistles ...Just as the Holy Spirit led me to do..by the way ... before Willie kinda got in the middle of the conversation ...as you seem to be trying to do as well .
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Okay, well get back to your "discussion." I'm sorry for the distasteful comment. Apparently I misread things, according to you. So, all is well. It wasn't open pride, it was a failed attempt at making peace. People can notice the subtly in conversations Mitspa, and the veiled attempts of passive aggressiveness. Forgive me for the bathroom comment, I did get a check in my spirit as it were.
 
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Magenta said:
Hey, it's the current thread on the fourth commandment ;)
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See what happens? When someone scolds me as an introduction, I stop listening.
 
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bikerchaz said:
Magenta beat me to it welcome bro LOL had a good chuckle on this thread. Saying all that I am probably one of the contentious ones, the threads I comment on usually die or I am ignored completely. Hey Ho, I look forward to another one.
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Whoa whoa whoa hold on up there, brother, you are definitely one of the good guys! :D

You are not posting as much these days but it is always a pleasure
to read your well reasoned, thoughtful, and loving responses :)
 
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Okay, well get back to your "discussion." I'm sorry for the distasteful comment. Apparently I misread things, according to you. So, all is well. It wasn't open pride, it was a failed attempt at making peace. People can notice the subtly in conversations Mitspa, and the veiled attempts of passive aggressiveness. Forgive me for the bathroom comment, I did get a check in my spirit as it were.
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All is fine Ben...the post above is what I was trying to get this fellow to explain and everyone else kinda got in the middle of the discussion ... It sounds like "personal interpretation" is fine when you want to ignore the biggest part of the New Testament and the heart of the gospel as explained in Pauls epistles...which I know you love as the Words of life, as I do ..:)
 
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Officermayo said:
Okey dokey. Here ya go..................

A person hears the Gospel preached (you know, how faith comes from the hearing of the word), realizes its truth and makes a conscious decision to turn from their sins (repent - change your mind) and accept the free gift of salvation that's available to us by the sacrifice made on our behalf by Jesus' death on Calvary. We then begin to study His teachings and do our best to conform our lives to what He taught and to immolate His example of how to live our lives. Part of that is reaching out to our fellow man who are still in their sins with the good news.

How'd I do?
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Warning: We're going to argue on the how.

On the other hand, I see I'm going to need a dictionary around you too.
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  • [FONT=&quot]1: to offer in sacrifice; especially : to kill as a sacrificial victim
  • [FONT=&quot]2: to kill or destroy often by fire
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Mitspa said:
Again I don't understand ..are you suggesting the epistles of Paul are not the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the very Words of God Almighty? Please explain how anyone could discuss the gospel and not use Pauls epistles , unless you are like some heretics who deny Pauls epistles are the unchanging Word of God? The very Words of Jesus ..who is the Word of God.
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I'm not suggesting anything - you are.

Let me ask you this. If Paul's writings are what the Gospel depends on, how were people saved in the time between Jesus first advent and the canonization of the NT by the Second Council of Trullan in 692? Why do evangelistic groups print and distribute the Gospel of John (all by itself) for witnessing? I'm not saying Paul's writings or the rest of the NT aren't important, but ones salvation doesn't depend on them at all and neither does the gospel message.
 
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Officermayo said:
Please refer to my earlier comment about going blind. I do the best I can with what I've got to work with, but I appreciate the heads up. Too bad there's a time limit on editing a post or I'd go fix it.
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Hey, it's a good word and fits right into the theme of the Bible. (I thought that was the word you were going for once I learned what it meant.)
 
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Officermayo said:
I'm not suggesting anything - you are.

Let me ask you this. If Paul's writings are what the Gospel depends on, how were people saved in the time between Jesus first advent and the canonization of the NT by the Second Council of Trullan in 692? Why do evangelistic groups print and distribute the Gospel of John (all by itself) for witnessing? I'm not saying Paul's writings or the rest of the NT aren't important, but ones salvation doesn't depend on them at all and neither does the gospel message.
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Clearly you are ignorant of the fact that Pauls epistles was in all the accepted churches and well-known by every true Christian (before any attempt at a cannon).. So you do now accept Pauls epistles as the very word of God? ..The Very Words of Jesus?

By the way its quite clear that all Johns books where written after Pauls epistles had become established throughout all the churches ... You seem a little confused about these issues ?
 
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Mitspa said:
All is fine Ben...the post above is what I was trying to get this fellow to explain and everyone else kinda got in the middle of the discussion ... It sounds like "personal interpretation" is fine when you want to ignore the biggest part of the New Testament and the heart of the gospel as explained in Pauls epistles...which I know you love as the Words of life, as I do ..:)
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The subject of THIS thread is the mangling of Jesus words. There is no mention of the rest of the NT in the OP.
Why you want to take this down a rabbit hole is a mystery to me.
 
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Miri said:
This comes to mind by Rudyard Kipling, funny I didn't know he was speaking about CC. :)


If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
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I am so glad I'm not a man.
 
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Officermayo said:
The subject of THIS thread is the mangling of Jesus words. There is no mention of the rest of the NT in the OP.
Why you want to take this down a rabbit hole is a mystery to me.
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Again you seem to deny that the BIBLE...the Word of God ..is all Jesus's Words and its just ridicules to have a discussion about what is sound New Testament doctrine and exclude the majority of His Word... That's just ungodly and a practice of many heretic groups that teach all manner of false doctrine and lies.
 
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Mitspa said:
Clearly you are ignorant of the fact that Pauls epistles was in all the accepted churches and well-known by every true Christian (before any attempt at a cannon).. So you do now accept Pauls epistles as the very word of God? ..The Very Words of Jesus?

By the way its quite clear that all Johns books where written after Pauls epistles had become established throughout all the churches ... You seem a little confused about these issues ?
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And now here come the insults and I'm ignorant. Please enlighten us to how you know the dates and the order in which the NT books besides the Gospels were written. I'm sure we would love to print that list out for future use. And I'd also like to see the list of "accepted churches" of which you speak.
 
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