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I used that same video for a Bible study class I was teaching a few years back and some of the people had the same reaction. But when I pointed out to them that the folks in Monty Python weren't making fun of Jesus but were in fact making fun of those who call themselves Christian but twist Jesus' words to fit them into their own interpretation, they "got" the joke and enjoyed the entire film. If you haven't seen it I highly recommend that you do so.
Are/were the members of that comedy troop atheists? Most likely. Was "The Life of Brian" anti Christian? No, not at all. The film holds a mirror up to the believer's face to allow them to see their own errors.
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Calm down, Francis. It's satire. If you feel so strongly about the matter though, I'd suggest a strongly worded letter to the major movie producers, or perhaps a viral post on Facebook to let the world know how anti-Christ Monty Python is...or you could just gripe about it on CC and expect everyone to agree with you.
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Thanks for the support Lynn, but you are incorrect in your pronouncing me an Arminian.
This thread began as a discussion (in a humorous way) about how folks twist the WORDS OF JESUS.
It's not about what my personal definition of the Gospel.
It's not about a Paul vs Jesus debate.
It's not about hunting down and exposing heretics.
It's about THE WORDS OF JESUS.
Please, folks. If you have nothing to contribute to THAT discussion, start a thread on your own topic and have at it.
Now, back to the topic. The red letter Bible didn't show up until around the early 1900s and was (and pretty much still is) an American thing. When it debuted there were those who objected for fear that the words of Jesus (in red ink) would come to be held in higher esteem than those that were not. I personally use only black letter Bibles, except for one volume I have that has the words of Jesus in the NT AND the words of God in the OT printed in red.
As far as twisting His words goes, I think part of it may be due to the proliferation of different version of the Holy Writ. Maybe it's the Mandela Effect for all I know.
We all know someone in our lives who has at one time or another been guilty of the aforementioned personal interpretations of the words of Jesus. I once heard an elderly lady say, "If English was good enough for Jesus - it's good enough for me". I didn't even know where to start to try and explain the truth to her. "Money is the root of all evil" is another favorite of the scripture twisters. Yet another is the parable of the wheat and tares juxtaposed with the "As the days of Noah were......". So, how's about we get back on topic and you share your favorite example of someone twisting the words of the Lord?
This thread began as a discussion (in a humorous way) about how folks twist the WORDS OF JESUS.
It's not about what my personal definition of the Gospel.
It's not about a Paul vs Jesus debate.
It's not about hunting down and exposing heretics.
It's about THE WORDS OF JESUS.
Please, folks. If you have nothing to contribute to THAT discussion, start a thread on your own topic and have at it.
Now, back to the topic. The red letter Bible didn't show up until around the early 1900s and was (and pretty much still is) an American thing. When it debuted there were those who objected for fear that the words of Jesus (in red ink) would come to be held in higher esteem than those that were not. I personally use only black letter Bibles, except for one volume I have that has the words of Jesus in the NT AND the words of God in the OT printed in red.
As far as twisting His words goes, I think part of it may be due to the proliferation of different version of the Holy Writ. Maybe it's the Mandela Effect for all I know.
We all know someone in our lives who has at one time or another been guilty of the aforementioned personal interpretations of the words of Jesus. I once heard an elderly lady say, "If English was good enough for Jesus - it's good enough for me". I didn't even know where to start to try and explain the truth to her. "Money is the root of all evil" is another favorite of the scripture twisters. Yet another is the parable of the wheat and tares juxtaposed with the "As the days of Noah were......". So, how's about we get back on topic and you share your favorite example of someone twisting the words of the Lord?
Don't really like witnessing any. Haven't learned to grow the "thick skin". Typically hang out in the prayer forum, but like to skin a few threads...gives me ideas for future studies and research into understanding the Bible,and different people's understanding.
The love of money is evil....not money itself...
Jesus didn't speak English
Not sure what you mean by the Noah quote juxtaposed with the wheat and tares parable....
I remember a discussion of "holy sayings" that can't really,be found in the Bible.
For example "cleanliness is next to holiness"
And "God helps that help themselves"
The last one always bugged me because God teaches we should value others higher than ourselves and see to their needs. That love is more about giving than receiving.
Well Jesus taught that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceedeth from the the mouth of the LORD doth man live, and Paul wrote that faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
From the beginning man has heard the voice of the Holy Ghost, Gen 3:8
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day:
Then again the ministry of Jesus is said to have began after he rose up from the waters of his baptism and heard the audible voice of the LORD. [See:Matt 4:17]
"And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matt 3:17
Thus it is written Matthew 4:4, "But he answered and said, It is written, "Man doth not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.."
Even Paul who obviously had to have read the OT didn't obtain faith until he heard the audible voice of the Lord according to his testimony in Act 9:4?
Then if you claimed to be saved by faith you must have heard the audible voice of the LORD or are you saying that nobody has heard the audible voice of the LORD? So if you believe that people have heard audible voice of the LORD then would consider it a gift or is hearing not really hearing but thinking that hearing is really just believing that seeing is hearing?
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? Romans 8:24
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved Eph 2:5
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. John 5:25
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:8
From the beginning man has heard the voice of the Holy Ghost, Gen 3:8
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day:
Then again the ministry of Jesus is said to have began after he rose up from the waters of his baptism and heard the audible voice of the LORD. [See:Matt 4:17]
"And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matt 3:17
Thus it is written Matthew 4:4, "But he answered and said, It is written, "Man doth not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.."
Even Paul who obviously had to have read the OT didn't obtain faith until he heard the audible voice of the Lord according to his testimony in Act 9:4?
Then if you claimed to be saved by faith you must have heard the audible voice of the LORD or are you saying that nobody has heard the audible voice of the LORD? So if you believe that people have heard audible voice of the LORD then would consider it a gift or is hearing not really hearing but thinking that hearing is really just believing that seeing is hearing?
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? Romans 8:24
Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
Eph 2:5Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. John 5:25
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:8
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Brothers and Sisters, use the discernment Jesus has given to you!
satan has entered once again and is trying to lead you into his false gospel...
1JOHN 5:10.
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God
hath made Him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of His Son.
satan has entered once again and is trying to lead you into his false gospel...
1JOHN 5:10.
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God
hath made Him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of His Son.
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