The common theme I see with a lot of your threads is that we should just have our heads down and just drag our feet in life. That we shouldn't even look up to smile, because we are that much pieces of you know what. That is the wrong mindset to have, because many people suffer from depression and suicidal thoughts day after day. They cry themselves to sleep after they get done sticking a razor blade in their arm because they think they're scum. They're worthless. Why am I alive? You mentioned you had suicidal thoughts, so I am guessing you thought these things at one point. The posts also come across that the moment you ask God for something, it should change. I mentioned how that is a lot like the prosperity Gospel, and it doesn't work like that. Why doesn't it? Because look at human sex trafficking. Day after day in this country alone, so many people's lives are ruined. Every night a lot cry out to God asking why doesn't He do something. For those that do get out, their lives are already ruined. They suffer from depression and huge self esteem issues the rest of their lives. I've met plenty of these women, and yes they are Christian. Those feelings never go away, even as Christians. It's one thing to preach the Gospel, which we are supposed to, but not turn everything into legalism. God doesn't sit there and watch a human that suffers and cries for help, and say to Himself "You know I'm not going to help you because I don't think you have enough belief." You mentioned you have a fiance. What if you two have a daughter, and one day she gets raped? What then, Jason? Is it her fault because her life will be forever ruined, and because she will have PTSD she won't be a Christian because she's not trusting God? Or what if that happens to your fiance? Do they not have enough faith because they will still go to sleep with the nightmares?
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Well, I should clarify what I believe so that there is no confusion. I do not believe in Works Salvationism. I believe that once a person repents of their sins and accepts Christ, they are saved by God's grace. From that point, the Lord then does the "good work" in a believer's life. It is not the believer alone doing the good. It is God. A believer merely yields to the work God wants to do in their life (See Philippians 2:13; 1 Corinthians 15:10; Ezekiel 36:26-27).
Also, I do not believe the Old Testament Law of Moses is still binding anymore. I believe the New Testament or the New Covenant went into effect with Christ's death. This Covenant (Like the Old Covenant) also has certain Commands that are given to us. Christians are not anarchists or lawless people. Christians do not go out and murder, or hurt people and think they are still saved. They are bound by the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2). They obey the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2). James calls it the royal law. Paul says we establish the Law. Paul says if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and knows nothiing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). Paul says that what he writes to us should be considered as the Lord's Commandments. 1 John 2:4 says if we say we have fellowship with Him and do not keep His commandments we are a liar and the truth is not in us. Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments. Jesus also says, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. (John 14:23). Jesus also said, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48). Paul says the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God and then he lists various sins attached to saying that (Like lying, murder, hate, stealing, and drunkenness, etc.).
As for being blunt or forceful in a wrong way: Where exactly did I do that? Everyone keeps saying that, but I just would love to see what I said that was so wrong? I would love to know, because if I did indeed do something wrong (and I did not notice it), then I will be more than happy to make an apology.
Also, I do not believe the Old Testament Law of Moses is still binding anymore. I believe the New Testament or the New Covenant went into effect with Christ's death. This Covenant (Like the Old Covenant) also has certain Commands that are given to us. Christians are not anarchists or lawless people. Christians do not go out and murder, or hurt people and think they are still saved. They are bound by the Law of Christ (Galatians 6:2). They obey the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (Romans 8:2). James calls it the royal law. Paul says we establish the Law. Paul says if any man teaches contrary to the words of Jesus Christ and the doctrine of Godliness is proud and knows nothiing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). Paul says that what he writes to us should be considered as the Lord's Commandments. 1 John 2:4 says if we say we have fellowship with Him and do not keep His commandments we are a liar and the truth is not in us. Jesus says if you love me, keep my commandments. Jesus also says, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. (John 14:23). Jesus also said, "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48). Paul says the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God and then he lists various sins attached to saying that (Like lying, murder, hate, stealing, and drunkenness, etc.).
As for being blunt or forceful in a wrong way: Where exactly did I do that? Everyone keeps saying that, but I just would love to see what I said that was so wrong? I would love to know, because if I did indeed do something wrong (and I did not notice it), then I will be more than happy to make an apology.
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Phil,
You keep being Phil. Religious christianity says we have to be "sweet and nice" and all of our vocabulary has to be just so.
If people are reading between the lines, the poster you got after is saying to all of us the same thing you said bluntly.
His is just under the guise of "sweet and nice." You don't scare me with being blunt. It is the one who is a wolf in sheeps clothing that scares me.
You keep being Phil. Religious christianity says we have to be "sweet and nice" and all of our vocabulary has to be just so.
If people are reading between the lines, the poster you got after is saying to all of us the same thing you said bluntly.
His is just under the guise of "sweet and nice." You don't scare me with being blunt. It is the one who is a wolf in sheeps clothing that scares me.
First, whether your intentions were pure or not, I reject the negative things you say about my personal life in the name of Jesus Christ. Second, nobody told me anyone was having suicidal thoughts here and or that they were thinking of committing suicide. Folks just started jumping all over me as if I should automatically know about their person's life. If they don't tell me their situation I cannot be judged for something they do not tell me. If they tell me something false about God's Word, I have a Biblical right to correct them according to God's Word (2 TImothy 3:16). Also, as for prayer. Yes, many do suffer in this life and yes, perhaps many of them have prayed to be delivered. But you fail to understand that it is not in just praying once or twice. It is about constantly trusting in the Lord by faith that they will be delivered, asking with no doubt and preserving in their prayer. For they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength....
Do you believe Scripture?
Many prayers are answered.
I believe God can stop all pain and suffering at any point. But things happen for a reason. Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers. He was thrown into prison. But the evil his brothers intended against Joseph, God intended it for good. The same can be said for Job, too. For all things work together for good to those that love God.
Yes, there are people who suffer, and yes there are people who want to end their lives, but telling them the truth of God's Word is going to lead them to Christ and not push them away unless they do not want to receive His message. For Jesus stands at the door of everyone's heart and desires to come in.
Do you believe Scripture?
Many prayers are answered.
I believe God can stop all pain and suffering at any point. But things happen for a reason. Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers. He was thrown into prison. But the evil his brothers intended against Joseph, God intended it for good. The same can be said for Job, too. For all things work together for good to those that love God.
Yes, there are people who suffer, and yes there are people who want to end their lives, but telling them the truth of God's Word is going to lead them to Christ and not push them away unless they do not want to receive His message. For Jesus stands at the door of everyone's heart and desires to come in.
" love your neighbor as yourself. "
My experience has been I love my neighbor more than myself, because I often loathe myself, and serve my neighbor.
I am amazed that God would love me and fall on my face before Him. It is terrifying to ask God to reveal everything to you, because such knowledge turns you to dust.
The Lord has shown me the depth of darkness and His Divine Light, and because of this revelation I realize I am unworthy of His redemption. Because of my own depravity which God revealed to me, I pray for the salvation of ALL humanity, because I know that God will save everyone if he saved me.
These threads are often explaining how God will eternally destroy the wicked and this is true. But God also said to ask anything in the name of His Beloved Son and it will be given, So as often as I can I pray for the salvation of ALL humanity, knowing that God is merciful and full of loving kindness.
Where two or three are gathered together Christ is in the midst of them, can I ask you and others to pray along with for the salvation of all humanity?
May God have mercy on all our souls and lead us to everlasting life in His presence.
Christ be with you always.
My experience has been I love my neighbor more than myself, because I often loathe myself, and serve my neighbor.
I am amazed that God would love me and fall on my face before Him. It is terrifying to ask God to reveal everything to you, because such knowledge turns you to dust.
The Lord has shown me the depth of darkness and His Divine Light, and because of this revelation I realize I am unworthy of His redemption. Because of my own depravity which God revealed to me, I pray for the salvation of ALL humanity, because I know that God will save everyone if he saved me.
These threads are often explaining how God will eternally destroy the wicked and this is true. But God also said to ask anything in the name of His Beloved Son and it will be given, So as often as I can I pray for the salvation of ALL humanity, knowing that God is merciful and full of loving kindness.
Where two or three are gathered together Christ is in the midst of them, can I ask you and others to pray along with for the salvation of all humanity?
May God have mercy on all our souls and lead us to everlasting life in His presence.
Christ be with you always.
1 John 3:15 says if any man hates his brother they are a murderer and we know no murderer has eternal life abiding in them. Are you saying I do not have to keep that Command in Scripture? I can hate my brother and still be saved?
Matthew 6:15 says if we do not forgive, we will not be forgiven by the Father. Yet, another command given to us by Jesus. Are you saying you do not have to keep this Command? Are you saying I do not have to forgive and I can still be saved?
What about other types of sins? Can I do them and still be saved?
Matthew 6:15 says if we do not forgive, we will not be forgiven by the Father. Yet, another command given to us by Jesus. Are you saying you do not have to keep this Command? Are you saying I do not have to forgive and I can still be saved?
What about other types of sins? Can I do them and still be saved?
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If this is true, I would stop for a while and rethink my approach. Because with how you present it, not one person here believes that.
This very post screams to me "works salvation."
Why are people getting the impression that you believe in works for salvation and you say you don't?
Our message should be clear.
This very post screams to me "works salvation."
Why are people getting the impression that you believe in works for salvation and you say you don't?
Our message should be clear.
You've said in previous posts there is nothing good about us. And yes that is in Scripture and you don't have to give a verse about that. But you don't say that to someone ready to kill themselves. You don't say that to someone that is being abused. You try to convince them they do matter. The dangerousness of legalism is that the same way should be for everyone. It's not. God made us all different, and for a lot of us we have to suffer majority if not all our lives to get to him. The suffering doesn't go away when we accept Christ. Your posts have previously implied that it does. I have seen a circle going on for quite time, but because I'm on a phone and this thread keeps going and going and going, I can't go back and point out what you said. It's just impossible for me to do. Bottom line is there are different ways to minister to people. The thing I haven't seen you say is that Jesus is compassionate. We know your stance; you don't have to say it again. But part of our jobs as Christians is to show compassion to others. Wheep with the wheep. Happy are the meek. When you show someone that you care, and that person does matter, their life lifts up in a moment. That's why I always say it just takes one person to make a difference. Carrying a Bible and spilling out verses, making people feel guilty for being a Christian, is not the way to do it. I am not accusing you of doing such a thing. I am telling you the common theme I am reading when I see a lot of your posts. Because it has gotten me sad. It's like it's turned into a dictatorship. I'm not allowed to have feelings. I'm supposed to be a programmed robot. That's not what I am. That's not what you are. That's not what any or us are. We are all brothers and sisters, called to love one another.
I yield to God working in me and I do not believe I do the work. Hence, why I do not believe in Works Salvationism. God does the work. Not me. Also, my impression is from most OSAS proponents is that they condone a sin and still be saved belief. Some have tried to deny it but when pushed on the issue, it is indeed what man of them believe. For a person is going to do works regardless in their life. Is one's works going to be evil or good? Jesus said we will know a tree by it's fruit. So if the fruit of God is not present in a believer's life then how can God be living in them?
Very rarely do I talk about my own personal life or some kind of opinion. I do not attack people pesonally so I do not see how anyone can be sad. I preach the Word of God here and if that makes someone sad, it is the Word that is making them feel that way and it is not me. I quote Scripture and desire to talk about it. I love God's Word and I take it very seriousy. Also for not being loving: Well, you are going to have to show me which posts I have come across in such a way. As for you not being allowed to have feelings: Where did I ever make such a claim? You are reading way too much into what I have posted on God's Word if that is what you believe. For what posts made you think that way? Oh, and I do love everyone here. Most of the time people attack me and I say kind words back to them (the majority of the time) or I roll with the punches or I rejoice in the Lord (when they accuse me falsely). So no. I do not see what you are saying in how I am not loving. I never attack anyone personally. I strive to speak in a third person way so as to address a Biblical issue as much as possible. I strive to love all people (Including my enemies). I try to stay on point in discussing the Bible because we are on a Bible discussion section of a Christian forum.
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See, this is something I would never say to someone. If I said this to this girl, I would be torn apart. But because he is saying to me, it is okay (Because people do not like the message of God's Word that I am putting forth). The Word of God is what is offending people here. I did not say anything like this. Nor would I ever do so because I love all people.
And you're misinterpreting what I am saying. I never said you weren't loving. I haven't said anything negative to you. In fact, I've stood up for you when people were making sarcastic and rude remarks to you. My point is that your method doesn't work for everyone. We are like teachers. Not everyone learns the same way. For me, I need to visualize things in school. A lot of note taking. Others aren't like that. So a teacher adapts his/her style and tries to help everyone. Our methods as Christians calls for spreading the Gospel, but it also calls to love and encourage those that might not understand the Gospel. Or might be afraid. If someone had a dad that abused her/him all her/his life, why would you think the story of the ultimate Father would want to make the person a Christian? Especially when you tell the person about hell. That person would resent God and would think of God the same way as the Earthly dad. You've got to stop holding the Bible all the time, and start being understanding to people. Jesus didn't walk around with a Bible. He spread messages to the worst of the worst of the worst. He wasn't a legalist. It's time we stop that and start going at it as understanding what the person is going through. I'm not accusing you that you're not. But there's a reason why only you know what you are talking about, and the rest of us don't. It's the students failing all the tests, and the professor having to see what he is doing wrong and having to see if there is a way he can better adjust his teaching methods.
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I said we are nothing and Christ is everything. They are words that are expressed at the heart of Scripture.
For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself (Galatians 6:3).
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. (Philippians 4:13).
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. (Colossians 3:17).
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom beglory for ever. Amen. (Romans 11:36).
For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself (Galatians 6:3).
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. (Philippians 4:13).
And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. (Colossians 3:17).
For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom beglory for ever. Amen. (Romans 11:36).