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I'm still trying understand why we keep gonig back to the tassels, lol. I apologize if my laughing on that seems rude. I am laughing because I think that's your most asked question.
Numbers 15:37-41
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Again the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, [SUP]38 [/SUP]“Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels (proper name is tzitzit) on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue thread in the tassels of the corners. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the commandments of the Lord and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined, [SUP]40 [/SUP]and that you may remember and do all My commandments, and be holy for your God. [SUP]41 [/SUP]I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the Lord your God.”
The best way I can describe this, is to where it (and you can google search what they look like) is if you're walking in the Spirit, you're walking in Torah. The Spirit guides you in your spiritual walk with the Lord. Now the tzitzits is kind of like a physical reminder to not stray away from the Spirit. Look at the scripture, part of it is reminder to be Holy. How do we be Holy, we walk in the Spirit.
Back to the WWJD bracelet, I used that as a metaphor that in a way it was the same thing. People who wear a WWJD bracelet basically wear to be as a reminder of "What would Jesus(Yeshua) do". I would hope people who do wear those, wear it kind of as a reminder to walk in a Holy walk with the Spirit.
Now is the commandment on WWJD bracelets, no. But there is a commandment on what I would concider similar and that would be to wear tzitzits on the hems of your clothing/garments or w/e you want to call what you wear.
Now this is kind of on topic, but a cool story on tzitzits(tassels)
So I can't remember the exact spot, but there is a scripture that states there is healing in the Lords wings.
Well I always wondered what that meant.
In the NT when the woman with and issue reach out and touched the hem of Yeshua's clothing, and she was instantly healed. She touched one of His tzitzits. The Lord has healing in His wings, Yeshua is the Lord, wore tzitzits and it's concidered His wings, therefor healing comes from it.
I'm not sure if I explained it well, but I hope I did.
Blessings and peace
Numbers 15:37-41
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Again the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, [SUP]38 [/SUP]“Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels (proper name is tzitzit) on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue thread in the tassels of the corners. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the commandments of the Lord and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined, [SUP]40 [/SUP]and that you may remember and do all My commandments, and be holy for your God. [SUP]41 [/SUP]I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: I am the Lord your God.”
The best way I can describe this, is to where it (and you can google search what they look like) is if you're walking in the Spirit, you're walking in Torah. The Spirit guides you in your spiritual walk with the Lord. Now the tzitzits is kind of like a physical reminder to not stray away from the Spirit. Look at the scripture, part of it is reminder to be Holy. How do we be Holy, we walk in the Spirit.
Back to the WWJD bracelet, I used that as a metaphor that in a way it was the same thing. People who wear a WWJD bracelet basically wear to be as a reminder of "What would Jesus(Yeshua) do". I would hope people who do wear those, wear it kind of as a reminder to walk in a Holy walk with the Spirit.
Now is the commandment on WWJD bracelets, no. But there is a commandment on what I would concider similar and that would be to wear tzitzits on the hems of your clothing/garments or w/e you want to call what you wear.
Now this is kind of on topic, but a cool story on tzitzits(tassels)
So I can't remember the exact spot, but there is a scripture that states there is healing in the Lords wings.
Well I always wondered what that meant.
In the NT when the woman with and issue reach out and touched the hem of Yeshua's clothing, and she was instantly healed. She touched one of His tzitzits. The Lord has healing in His wings, Yeshua is the Lord, wore tzitzits and it's concidered His wings, therefor healing comes from it.
I'm not sure if I explained it well, but I hope I did.
Blessings and peace
B
Go to the thread "All these threads.." and read the big long description on why we should keep the old.
When coming to Christ you are adopted into Israel. Now I'm not saying you are a Jew, Jews come from the southern kingdom of Judah. Gentiles would be Ephriam, the northern kingdom. (this is from when the kingdom of Israel split and went into capvtivity). Now on the post I didn't go into the explainations of adoption into Israel, but I did explain a lot that leads up to NT talking about the adoption. Yeshua said He came for His sheep, but some of the sheep are from a different fold. This is talking about Ephraim and Judah and bringing them together. Yeshua, being God, is not going to hold standards such as Torah to one and not the other, that would not make sense because that would make Him double-minded, and our Lord is not double-minded.
F
Brilliantly said
I knew a christian woman who claimed God didn't want women to cut their hair. She even went as far to punish her young children for playfully cutting one anther's bangs saying that they displeased God. She posted a pic of her scraggly ended hair and everyone oooh and ahhhed over it like it was a badge of righteousness. I felt like the emperor had no clothes but couldn't say anything lest I be banned or openly ridiculed by all her friends. After a while, I stopped visiting her blog.
Church program - in getting caught up in the mission to save souls, they announced my son was saved because he had repeated the sinner's prayer. Just carving another notch in their salvation belts. He repeated it to get attention and felt pressure from the group to do what everyone else was doing. My son is a proclaimed homosexual and is in no way walking with Christ neither does he want anything to do with so-called Christians. We have not kicked him out of the house as my older brother suggested we do but we continue to love and support him right where he is no matter our differences.
In a large church, I was proclaimed by another church member not to be submitted to the body because I didn't wear a name tag. Yes, a name tag. She was probably parroting some churchinese (church lingo) that she heard from other members. My husband refused to wear one because he was struggling with many things in his life. He felt awkward and stupid about it. I didn't wear one because I didn't not want to appear self-righteous in his eyes and ruin anything that Christ was doing in his life. If someone wants to know my name, they only had to ask. I've been a believer since 13, struggled with commitment but returned at 21 and have been part of the Body of Believers since then.
oh the list goes on...
I knew a christian woman who claimed God didn't want women to cut their hair. She even went as far to punish her young children for playfully cutting one anther's bangs saying that they displeased God. She posted a pic of her scraggly ended hair and everyone oooh and ahhhed over it like it was a badge of righteousness. I felt like the emperor had no clothes but couldn't say anything lest I be banned or openly ridiculed by all her friends. After a while, I stopped visiting her blog.
Church program - in getting caught up in the mission to save souls, they announced my son was saved because he had repeated the sinner's prayer. Just carving another notch in their salvation belts. He repeated it to get attention and felt pressure from the group to do what everyone else was doing. My son is a proclaimed homosexual and is in no way walking with Christ neither does he want anything to do with so-called Christians. We have not kicked him out of the house as my older brother suggested we do but we continue to love and support him right where he is no matter our differences.
In a large church, I was proclaimed by another church member not to be submitted to the body because I didn't wear a name tag. Yes, a name tag.
She was probably parroting some churchinese (church lingo) that she heard from other members. My husband refused to wear one because he was struggling with many things in his life. He felt awkward and stupid about it. I didn't wear one because I didn't not want to appear self-righteous in his eyes and ruin anything that Christ was doing in his life. If someone wants to know my name, they only had to ask. I've been a believer since 13, struggled with commitment but returned at 21 and have been part of the Body of Believers since then. oh the list goes on...
I keep going back to tassels because it's not something I've seen any christians actually do... even ones that claim law-keeping... they usually spiritualize it, imo...
so, do you wear tassels? how about posting a picture of your clothes, plzzzzz? that way I can say I've seen one christian...
(ps people who grew up Jewish and converted, I've seen them with tassels)
so, do you wear tassels? how about posting a picture of your clothes, plzzzzz? that way I can say I've seen one christian...
(ps people who grew up Jewish and converted, I've seen them with tassels)
S
If I understand what you're saying correctly, then: No, that's not what I said. I said I haven't got that far in my walk to study out that command properly. If a person becomes a believer on Monday, they haven't learned everything there is to learn by Tuesday. That takes walking with God, reading the Scriptures, prayer, etc. It doesn't happen over night. As I said, it's a lifelong journey and we should never stop walking. I'll get there when I get there.
I have some further comments on your ideas of strict vs. loose approaches to interpretation and application of commands, but I'm terribly busy and it might take me a while to come back to it. I also owe others responses to posts in other threads going on weeks now and am feeling rather delinquent....
I have some further comments on your ideas of strict vs. loose approaches to interpretation and application of commands, but I'm terribly busy and it might take me a while to come back to it. I also owe others responses to posts in other threads going on weeks now and am feeling rather delinquent....
thanks for the invite, but no, I'm not going to read a long post on another thread... too easy to get confused...
John asked,
"The One known as "I AM". Who was that?"
My answer was this:
God. and this is probably where we differ. I think that when Jesus says things like 'my commandments', he means his teachings here on earth. That's different from Torah, which is intended for the Israelites, mostly in the wilderness, imo.
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If you have a comment, I'm interested...
John asked,
"The One known as "I AM". Who was that?"
My answer was this:
God. and this is probably where we differ. I think that when Jesus says things like 'my commandments', he means his teachings here on earth. That's different from Torah, which is intended for the Israelites, mostly in the wilderness, imo.
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If you have a comment, I'm interested...
S
I guess that's one possible way to go about it. Seems harmless enough on something like tassels. From a quick Google search, there are clip-on ones that can be purchased and clipped onto jean belt loops, it seems. Another way to go about it, and I'm going to guess that this is how it is for some people, is to wear the tallit (prayer shawl) on Sabbath service, which has the tassels affixed to its fringes. I currently do neither.
I think the more practical point I was getting at is that the Biblical texts are not downloaded into our brains overnight. Even discovering what the gospels say about the Messiah's walk, or reading through the Torah to discover the commands, or looking at the example of the early communities of believers, takes time. There are probably many good, honest folks who just haven't even come to the tassel command, for example. The same could be said for other portions of Scripture. Even if one sits down and reads the whole text cover to cover, you still have to consider things in some sort of linear fashion, one thing at a time. Get what I'm saying?
I think the more practical point I was getting at is that the Biblical texts are not downloaded into our brains overnight. Even discovering what the gospels say about the Messiah's walk, or reading through the Torah to discover the commands, or looking at the example of the early communities of believers, takes time. There are probably many good, honest folks who just haven't even come to the tassel command, for example. The same could be said for other portions of Scripture. Even if one sits down and reads the whole text cover to cover, you still have to consider things in some sort of linear fashion, one thing at a time. Get what I'm saying?
B
Yeshua is God in the flesh; therefor, from my understanding, this would make Yeshua "I AM".
In John 10, Yeshua states that He and the Father are one. If Yeshua and God are one that would make Yeshua "I AM". That's also why the Pharisees got majorly ticked off, because they thought He was blaspheming.
So according to scripture, I AM and Yeshua are one and the same.
In John 10, Yeshua states that He and the Father are one. If Yeshua and God are one that would make Yeshua "I AM". That's also why the Pharisees got majorly ticked off, because they thought He was blaspheming.
So according to scripture, I AM and Yeshua are one and the same.
B
Ok, when I get off work (and if I can get my phone to work, it's been broken for about a week now), I'll post a picture. I don't even know how to post a picture on here, but i'll try.
The majority of Christians (as you've probably seen on this site), do not believe in wearing them and also some believe it to be legalistic to wear them. I don't think it to be legalistic because 1 it's a part of the bible/Torah and 2 Yeshua wore them, are we not suppose to be His followers? Aren't we suppose to attempt to live as He lived? (those are rhetorical questions) I ask a lot of those.
The majority of Christians (as you've probably seen on this site), do not believe in wearing them and also some believe it to be legalistic to wear them. I don't think it to be legalistic because 1 it's a part of the bible/Torah and 2 Yeshua wore them, are we not suppose to be His followers? Aren't we suppose to attempt to live as He lived? (those are rhetorical questions) I ask a lot of those.
B
Have you ever read the prophets? If you have I would high suggest reading over them again.
If you're trying to teach based just off of the new testament, well you can't do that.
Yeshua and Paul were Jews. So they would have taught everything with a Jewish mindset. Even though it does state there is no Jew and no Gentile, they still taught using the old testament.
So Abraham's seed, turned into a mighty nation, that nation was called Israel.
It's all in the scriptures.
If you're trying to teach based just off of the new testament, well you can't do that.
Yeshua and Paul were Jews. So they would have taught everything with a Jewish mindset. Even though it does state there is no Jew and no Gentile, they still taught using the old testament.
So Abraham's seed, turned into a mighty nation, that nation was called Israel.
It's all in the scriptures.
Gal 3:28-29
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV
there is neither male nor female: Any of us who have children recognize that there are still distinctions and distinguishing characteristics between men and women; and I don't believe that God is unaware of them.
Therefore:
the only reading of verse 28 that makes sense is:
God does not show partiality or favoritism to Jews over gentiles, or to men over women, or to workers over bosses.
It does NOT mean that all distinctions have been removed or are unrecognized.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV
there is neither male nor female: Any of us who have children recognize that there are still distinctions and distinguishing characteristics between men and women; and I don't believe that God is unaware of them.
Therefore:
the only reading of verse 28 that makes sense is:
God does not show partiality or favoritism to Jews over gentiles, or to men over women, or to workers over bosses.
It does NOT mean that all distinctions have been removed or are unrecognized.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.