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I never got the whole Sola stuff
Heres a defintion of Sola
I cant agree with that if that is what it means.
But I cant figure out where men pull their words from half the time, all their meanings change, like that whole Mary/ assumption thing where typically "assumption" means to "suppose" something, but in the catholic dictionary it means some a kind of resurrection.
I stay away from their stuff because the words get all twisty depending on which dictionary your yanking your stuff from.
I would try to reason with their things, in ways that it might make sense to me, with (lets just say, Solo, verses Sola) and thought, what is wrong with the Solo Spirit being fine by us (being many, and yet one in that same Spirit) being furnished unto good works by Solo scriptures? Given they are words by Him?
Solo, Sola, Im a professed retard with trying to figure out mens confusion, its best to stay away from it.
Heres a defintion of Sola
I cant agree with that if that is what it means.
But I cant figure out where men pull their words from half the time, all their meanings change, like that whole Mary/ assumption thing where typically "assumption" means to "suppose" something, but in the catholic dictionary it means some a kind of resurrection.
I stay away from their stuff because the words get all twisty depending on which dictionary your yanking your stuff from.
I would try to reason with their things, in ways that it might make sense to me, with (lets just say, Solo, verses Sola) and thought, what is wrong with the Solo Spirit being fine by us (being many, and yet one in that same Spirit) being furnished unto good works by Solo scriptures? Given they are words by Him?
Solo, Sola, Im a professed retard with trying to figure out mens confusion, its best to stay away from it.
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I don't necessarily agree with your interpretation of things, no.
The Jewish leadership brought him to Pilate on the charge of claiming to be the Jewish messiah. This is the only thing that would have gotten Pilate's interest and the only "crime" that would have warranted death by crucifixion. Pilate's first question to Jesus is the key charge on which the high priests bring up:
Mark 15:1 Early in the morning, after forming a plan, the chief priests with the elders and the experts in the law and the whole Sanhedrin tied Jesus up, led him away, and handed him over to Pilate.15:2 So Pilate asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” He replied,“You say so.” 15:3 Thent he chief priests began to accuse him repeatedly. 15:4 So Pilate asked him again, “Have you nothing to say? See how many charges they are bringing against you!”
It's also explicitly said in Luke:
Lk 23:1 Then the whole group of them rose up and brought Jesus before Pilate. 23:2 They began to accuse him, saying, “We found this man subverting our nation, forbidding us to pay the tribute tax to Caesar and claiming that he himself is Christ, a king.”
So the charges on which the Jewish leadership brought up on Jesus before Pilate were (a) claiming to be king, (b) subverting the nation, (c) forbidding them to pay taxes to Caesar.
And yes, in John as well Pilate is only really concerned with crimes against the state and it's these charges that Jesus is brought up on before Pilate:
John 18:33 “Are you the king of the Jews?”
John 18:37 Then Pilate said, “So you are a king!”
John19:14 Pilate said to the Jewish leaders, “Look, here is your king!”
John19:15 Pilate asked, “Shall I crucify your king?”
Pilate didn't have him crucified because he was the Son of God, Pilate only cared about [perceived] threats to Roman authority. The Jewish leadership knew this which is why they essentially charge him with starting an insurrection (ie, claiming to be king, subverting the people, prohibiting paying taxes to Caesar). This is the only thing Pilate would really care about. As said previously, what may have surprised Pilate is that Jesus didn't behave like other Jewish insurrectionists - he had done no obvious violence and he wasn't resisting. It wouldn't have been immediately clear that he was indeed guilty of any of the charges.
But critically, the charges drummed up on Jesus by the priests are explicitly stated. He claimed to be a king, he was leading the people astray, and he encouraged them not to pay taxes to Rome. All of these amount to crimes against the Roman state. This is what would concern Pilate.
I don't know where you get "being between a rock and stony places."
It's the only thing Pilate really cares about. His words and actions are centered around the charge.
Matt27:11 Then Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him,“Are you the king of the Jews?”
Matt27:28 They stripped him and put a scarlet robe around him, 27:29 and after braiding a crown of thorns, they put it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand, and kneeling down before him, they mocked him: “Hail, king of the Jews!”
Matt27:37 Above his head they put the charge against him,which read:“This is Jesus, the king of the Jews.”
Mark15:2 So Pilate asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
Luke 23:3 So Pilate asked Jesus,“Are you the kingof the Jews?”
John19:2 The soldiers braided a crown of thorns and put it on his head, and they clothed him in a purple robe.19:3 They came up to him again and again and said, “Hail, king of the Jews!”[SUP]
[/SUP]John 18:33 [Pilate said] “Are you the king of the Jews?”
John 18:37 Then Pilate said, “So you are a king!”
John19:14 Pilate said to the Jewish leaders, “Look, here is your king!”
John19:15 Pilate asked, “Shall I crucify your king?”
I don't necessarily agree with your interpretation of things, no.
The Jewish leadership brought him to Pilate on the charge of claiming to be the Jewish messiah. This is the only thing that would have gotten Pilate's interest and the only "crime" that would have warranted death by crucifixion. Pilate's first question to Jesus is the key charge on which the high priests bring up:
Mark 15:1 Early in the morning, after forming a plan, the chief priests with the elders and the experts in the law and the whole Sanhedrin tied Jesus up, led him away, and handed him over to Pilate.15:2 So Pilate asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?” He replied,“You say so.” 15:3 Thent he chief priests began to accuse him repeatedly. 15:4 So Pilate asked him again, “Have you nothing to say? See how many charges they are bringing against you!”
It's also explicitly said in Luke:
Lk 23:1 Then the whole group of them rose up and brought Jesus before Pilate. 23:2 They began to accuse him, saying, “We found this man subverting our nation, forbidding us to pay the tribute tax to Caesar and claiming that he himself is Christ, a king.”
So the charges on which the Jewish leadership brought up on Jesus before Pilate were (a) claiming to be king, (b) subverting the nation, (c) forbidding them to pay taxes to Caesar.
And yes, in John as well Pilate is only really concerned with crimes against the state and it's these charges that Jesus is brought up on before Pilate:
John 18:33 “Are you the king of the Jews?”
John 18:37 Then Pilate said, “So you are a king!”
John19:14 Pilate said to the Jewish leaders, “Look, here is your king!”
John19:15 Pilate asked, “Shall I crucify your king?”
Pilate didn't have him crucified because he was the Son of God, Pilate only cared about [perceived] threats to Roman authority. The Jewish leadership knew this which is why they essentially charge him with starting an insurrection (ie, claiming to be king, subverting the people, prohibiting paying taxes to Caesar). This is the only thing Pilate would really care about. As said previously, what may have surprised Pilate is that Jesus didn't behave like other Jewish insurrectionists - he had done no obvious violence and he wasn't resisting. It wouldn't have been immediately clear that he was indeed guilty of any of the charges.
But critically, the charges drummed up on Jesus by the priests are explicitly stated. He claimed to be a king, he was leading the people astray, and he encouraged them not to pay taxes to Rome. All of these amount to crimes against the Roman state. This is what would concern Pilate.
I don't know where you get "being between a rock and stony places."
It's the only thing Pilate really cares about. His words and actions are centered around the charge.
Matt27:11 Then Jesus stood before the governor, and the governor asked him,“Are you the king of the Jews?”
Matt27:28 They stripped him and put a scarlet robe around him, 27:29 and after braiding a crown of thorns, they put it on his head. They put a staff in his right hand, and kneeling down before him, they mocked him: “Hail, king of the Jews!”
Matt27:37 Above his head they put the charge against him,which read:“This is Jesus, the king of the Jews.”
Mark15:2 So Pilate asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
Luke 23:3 So Pilate asked Jesus,“Are you the kingof the Jews?”
John19:2 The soldiers braided a crown of thorns and put it on his head, and they clothed him in a purple robe.19:3 They came up to him again and again and said, “Hail, king of the Jews!”[SUP]
[/SUP]John 18:33 [Pilate said] “Are you the king of the Jews?”
John 18:37 Then Pilate said, “So you are a king!”
John19:14 Pilate said to the Jewish leaders, “Look, here is your king!”
John19:15 Pilate asked, “Shall I crucify your king?”
Bible Discussion Forum - Thread: Theory of Higher Education
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My Dead Guys got stuff wrong. (To explain, "my Dead Guys" are the commentators I use to study the Bible as I go along, because I'm way too lazy to figure out everything that was going on way back when on my own, so they put in the effort for me. They're all dead now, so I call them "my Dead Guys.") Does that mean I don't trust everything they write? Of course not, particularly since history has moved on and we've found more stuff from way back when, some reproving they were right. BUT they also don't always agree with each other either. (Usually do, often get it different ways, but come up with the same conclusions. Sometimes they don't.) So, yeah, my Dead Guys got stuff wrong too.
So, am I trusting them for gospel? No. I trust them enough that I still consider them mine, (as if I own anyone. lol) Likewise, simply because two other Dead Guys agreed on something, it may or may not be right. I trust the Bible as right though, and, oddly enough, not blindly. Someone had to prove to me it's accurate. (Another Dead Guy. lol) That, and, if God can't get what he really meant down right and for eternity, then he's not much of a God, and this whole thing is a big waste of time.
In God I trust. All others are Dead Guys.
Your two guys may well have tried for accuracy, but they didn't hit the mark. The Bible did. The Bible explains it enough for me to believe Pilate, (like Herod and the Sanhedrin) were pawns in Gods plans. Not for their good, but for our good. Ultimately for God's plans and simple being. (God being God.) THAT I trust more than Dead Guys.
So, am I trusting them for gospel? No. I trust them enough that I still consider them mine, (as if I own anyone. lol) Likewise, simply because two other Dead Guys agreed on something, it may or may not be right. I trust the Bible as right though, and, oddly enough, not blindly. Someone had to prove to me it's accurate. (Another Dead Guy. lol) That, and, if God can't get what he really meant down right and for eternity, then he's not much of a God, and this whole thing is a big waste of time.
In God I trust. All others are Dead Guys.
Your two guys may well have tried for accuracy, but they didn't hit the mark. The Bible did. The Bible explains it enough for me to believe Pilate, (like Herod and the Sanhedrin) were pawns in Gods plans. Not for their good, but for our good. Ultimately for God's plans and simple being. (God being God.) THAT I trust more than Dead Guys.
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As long as my Dead Guys explain which words we lost over the millenniums, I'm good. I'm not really a one-version kinda woman. I use versions like I use Dead Guys - to see what it really said, and then try to understand it, if it's possible.
I have to admit, Nephilim has me stumped. What in the world is a feller? I'm also lost on the serpent issue, and how serpent is connected to sorcery. But, hey, most of it was translated good enough for me to get it, so I'm good.
In God I trust. I keep thinking God gets through on the important parts. Exactly what a Nephilim or serpent was isn't the important parts. God wins. Important part. God loves, God is long-suffering, just, perfect, holy, saves, etc. All important stuff.
I have to admit, Nephilim has me stumped. What in the world is a feller? I'm also lost on the serpent issue, and how serpent is connected to sorcery. But, hey, most of it was translated good enough for me to get it, so I'm good.
In God I trust. I keep thinking God gets through on the important parts. Exactly what a Nephilim or serpent was isn't the important parts. God wins. Important part. God loves, God is long-suffering, just, perfect, holy, saves, etc. All important stuff.
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That was beautifully put. I agree
They actually do say so much in respects to his counsel (even the foreknowledge of God)
For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus,
whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God,
ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer,
he hath so fulfilled.
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers,
because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day,
they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
And though they found no cause of death in him,
yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted?
and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One;
of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus,
spake again to them.
But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him.
And he said unto them the third time,
Why, what evil hath he done?
I have found no cause of death in him:
I will therefore chastise him,
and let him go.
And they were instant with loud voices,
requiring that he might be crucified.
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers,
hath glorified his Son Jesus;
whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate,
when he was determined to let him go.
Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just,
and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
Often the apostles or former prophets will clarify something further for us I found.
They actually do say so much in respects to his counsel (even the foreknowledge of God)
For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus,
whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,
For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God,
ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer,
he hath so fulfilled.
For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers,
because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day,
they have fulfilled them in condemning him.
And though they found no cause of death in him,
yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain.
And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.
Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted?
and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One;
of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus,
spake again to them.
But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him.
And he said unto them the third time,
Why, what evil hath he done?
I have found no cause of death in him:
I will therefore chastise him,
and let him go.
And they were instant with loud voices,
requiring that he might be crucified.
The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers,
hath glorified his Son Jesus;
whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate,
when he was determined to let him go.
Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just,
and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
Often the apostles or former prophets will clarify something further for us I found.
Well I hate to be super spiritual here, but Jesus said nobody took his life from him, he laid it down.
John 10.17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. [SUP]18 [/SUP]No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”
If we are to be accurate here and follow Jesus and the word, then based on this passage, nobody killed Jesus, he laid himself down and nobody took his life.
John 10.17-18
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. [SUP]18 [/SUP]No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”
If we are to be accurate here and follow Jesus and the word, then based on this passage, nobody killed Jesus, he laid himself down and nobody took his life.