misunderstandings between Catholics and Christians

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Dude653

Senior Member
Mar 19, 2011
12,321
1,039
113
catholic doctrine is based on tradition and ritual..it has no biblical basis
 
S

StoneThrower

Guest
I am a devout Catholic. I am curious what you find out what you think are the most difficult teachings of the Catholic Church.

I don't want to get into any discussions on this thread, I just want to hear from you personally what you disagree with from a theological perspective so I can know where to focus my studies.

try not to read other peoples responses until you have posted. Also try to list them in order with the teachings that you believe are least likely to be scripturaly supported at top.

The things I find most difficult with common protestant theology is
1) sola fide,
2) sola scriptura,
3) and the lack of infant baptism.
The mass a rescraficing of Christ I am told its not, but your Catechism says it is.
Infused rightousness vs imputed (works in order to be saved)
Muslims being excepted as part of the church when they worship a differnt God
The attack on the doctrine of Justification by faith.
The Pope being reffred to as the Vicar of Christ and upsurping the role of Christ as the meadiator between God and man.
Mary being a co redemptrix
Worship of Idols and saints and relics
And just the FOUL stench of its man made power structure and being a false religion.
Nothing personal, so dont take it that way, but I would rather give my life for Christ than to conceed to it in anyway.
 
H

Hashe

Guest
I love this thread. It has people that have been banned for promoting catholicism. So that is a big problem, but promoting cults isn't. Great stuff.
 
S

StoneThrower

Guest
"Misunderstandings between Catholics and Christians." - HUH?

Two or three times a year, some kid in my class says "I'm not a Christian, I'm a Catholic," and then I have to remind them that Catholics ARE Christians.
Actually the kids are correct, they are no more Christain than LDS. Ask any RC if they are born again, and the answer is no or they dont know what that is.

Unless a man be born again he cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven.

They may have a Christ figure but its actually and idol and not the God of the Bible. There Christ is impotent and cant save anyone without the works of the RC
 

Jackson123

Senior Member
Feb 6, 2014
11,769
1,370
113
I am a devout Catholic. I am curious what you find out what you think are the most difficult teachings of the Catholic Church.

I don't want to get into any discussions on this thread, I just want to hear from you personally what you disagree with from a theological perspective so I can know where to focus my studies.

try not to read other peoples responses until you have posted. Also try to list them in order with the teachings that you believe are least likely to be scripturaly supported at top.

The things I find most difficult with common protestant theology is
1) sola fide,
2) sola scriptura,
3) and the lack of infant baptism.

1. I disagree praying to Mary. Mary is not omnipotent, she can not hear millions pray.
2. I disagree Mary is Queen of heaven and have a highest authority after Jesus. Mary is a human and does'n has authority in heaven.
3. Purgatory is not in the bible at all.
4. I am not agree with the doctrine that Muslim and Christian share the same God.

[TABLE="class: contentpaneopen, width: 639"]
[TR]
[TD="class: contentheading"]Lumen Gentium: Dogmatic Constitution on the Church (excerpt)[/TD]
[TD="class: buttonheading, width: 100%, align: right"]
[/TD]
[TD="class: buttonheading, width: 100%, align: right"]
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
[TABLE="class: contentpaneopen, width: 639"]
[TR]
[TD]WRITTEN BY SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL [/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="class: createdate"]NOVEMBER 21, 1964[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related to the People of God in various ways.[SUP]18 [/SUP]There is, first, that people to whom the covenants and promises were made, and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh (cf. Rom. 9:4*-5): in view of the divine choice, they are a people most dear for the sake of the fathers, for the gifts of God are without repentance (cf. Rom. 11:28-*29). But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Moslems: these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]


I believe between Catholic and protestant is like Hindu and Buddha, a totally 2 different religion. Is not share and adore the same God.

They have different bible, different foundation.

Bible is foundation, if the foundation different than the building above the foundation must be different.
 
S

StoneThrower

Guest
It is actually quite simple.

God said the penalty of sin is death. The GIFT of God is life.

Anyone who teaches that life can be had only through a sacramental system of works is teaching a false gospel. be it catholic or protestant. They have erred in the way of cain, and babylon, and all who have followed the lie of satan that God can restore man only through his deeds. and that somehow. be doing these works, we can be made right with God.

as for all the other doctrines. if the gospel is incorrect. the rest does not matter.

The wage (result) of sin is death. the gift of God is eternal life.

the penalty of sin is not taking the eucharist, being baptized, making penance or any other sacramental dead. it is death. Only death can remove the penalty of sin. not these other works.
Correct, and you cant pass through purgatory and collect $200 or collect the rightousness of Christ.
 
S

StoneThrower

Guest
But the words of Our Lord are quite clear.

This IS my Body. If we accept Him at His word, the Eucharist IS Jesus's Body.

Now, I'm not asking you to believe it right now, but suppose you did believe exactly that. That the bread and wine truly become the literal body and blood of Our Lord God and Saviour Jesus Christ.... Would you not bow down before Him?
How could it be his body when he was standing there when he said that? And if you really want to be crazy literal than it was only the bread in his hand at the time. The Apostles knew it wasnt his body but a symbol to be done in remberace till he returned.
 
S

StoneThrower

Guest
But the Eucharist doesn't fit your definition of an idol. It isn't an image or representation of God. It IS God. Are you saying that Our Lord can't make every celebration of the Eucharist his Flesh and His Blood?

Scripture is quite clear that Our Lord says the bread and wine is His body. He never says it symbolizes His Body. And the reactions of the people with Him reflect the idea that He isn't speaking figuratively.
Sent from my XT875 using Tapatalk 2
If so then you are draging him down from the right hand of the father to be scraficed over and over. Chris said It is finished!
 
S

StoneThrower

Guest
But Catholics are Christians?
No they are not, no more than LDS, JWs, or SDA or Univeralist. The world calls them Christian, but they are not Orthodox in their beliefs which puts them outside the camp.
 
S

StoneThrower

Guest
Yahshua the Messiah is Yahvah God's son.
Is Jesus Christ Fully God and Fully Man? Co equal and co eternal with God? Is He the second person of the trinity, Is He God?
 
May 3, 2013
8,719
75
0
I was born and raised in Mexico, I'm very familiar with that passion, sadly. So many people there (not all btw) have their houses' walls covered with paintings of saints, I remember even seeing houses painted from the outside with images of the Virgin of Guadalupe.

What you described is blasphemous indeed, and similar things happen in a lot of churches there.... and I wonder why the Catholic Church is so silent about these practices. I haven't heard a Catholic give a reasonable answer which aligns these practices and the messages of the Virgin with Scriptures... and I'm still waiting.

I'll repeat, not all Catholics do this, but A LOT do, and the fact that the Catholic priests don't correct them is the same as giving approval.
At the bottom there's a complicity! They said nothing as long as they keep attending their church meetings.

A couple of years ago, i decided to attend a Catholic church because my mate was a Catholic and she needed to partake the X-mas mass she was used to attend each december. I sit side by side with her and, by the way, Ernesto, the Catholic priest at the town I live, is very nice and we have shared things outside his congregation.

He preached on X-mas... His message was ok, easi to understand, and I laughed at several of his jokes... At the end he brough an image of a child (their "god" child) and kissed its feet and also invited the congregation to touch "him" or to kiss "him" if the wanted and, when I saw THE IDOLATRY (because many came to the man-made statue) I felt too guilty of being their just for the love I had for a Catholic woman. These lift the image (as long as Ernesto took care it never went too far from his hands) (and the control og his reach). Kids and ladies came to kiss the image, on its feet or cheeks...

I said to mayself: "Why am I here?". I looked towards Mónica and she knew how I felt (shocked and embarrased).

When we came home I spoke it was the last time I'll be present to look after her religious needs. I wish I could cry towards those who were present, even to Ernesto, the priest, because verbally he had said several things (that I believed) but i the practice, he is an idolater and, also, made a dozen of people be like hi is.

On the other side, as I know Venezuela "religions", these are syncretist. They think that once they have done such acts of worships or venerations (just when they persignated) (cuando se cruzan las manos en señal de la cruz) they have done enough to be forgiven and GOD should do everything they needed to be done, for their being present in an assembly.

I like to add also that those images are seen like an amulet, like "protectors" of their houses. The more the had, the more they think holy "soldiers" and angels take care of their life.

When I lived in Colombia I laughed at myself several times. Each time I entered in houses in Sincelejos or in Santiago de Tolú (Dpto Sucre) I saw big Bibles opened in Psalm 91 or in others (these were also amulets to protect from satan or evil spirits).

It is confusing when you have grown inside a system of beliefs like these and, several of my Catholics friends, additionally to the Bible, the have the Catecismo and several "revelations" "Jesus" is sending through an unknown woman who lives to write "all" he is telling her to write to Catholics nowadays. luz de maria

They have too many things to believe that I have wondered: "How they've believe?". One of the best friends is trying to re-convert me into Catholism and, each time I can, I listen to what he says but, I wish he were free from such idolatric bondage he chose to keep, as his cross (as he said).

If someone wants to know more, just look at this hyperlinks:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...345270.100946.261761113834934&type=1&theater

Pope Francis Condemns Racism And Declares That “All Religions Are True” At Historic Third Vatican Council | Diversity Chronicle
 
Last edited:
S

StoneThrower

Guest
But I have no problem calling up my best friend's mother and father if I wanted to reach him, or if I wanted them to ask him something for me. In fact, it would be pretty rude to tell my friends, "I want to be your very best friend! But I don't want to get to know your mother!"

I do agree however that we should read the Scriptures, it was through the reading of the Scriptures that Christ Our Lord led me to His Church, the Catholic Church.

The book of Hebrews says there is no mediator between God and man, but Christ Jesus.
 
S

StoneThrower

Guest
Praying to saints is all based on assumption. Let's say you are praying saint Billy Bob. How do you know Saint Billy Bob is even in heaven?
And who says he's a saint. Did you ever wonder why.... (in my best Andy Rooney) why when we are all saints the RCC needs to elevate people to that title after they are dead of course.
 
S

StoneThrower

Guest
Nah, The Church belongs to Christ and the Church can only teach whatever the Holy Spirit demands that it teach.
Seriously, if thats the case when is it going to start? Maybe its tuned into the wrong radio station or something, because the spirit thats informing it is far from Holy!
 
S

StoneThrower

Guest
And Yeshua established the Catholic Church and appointed Peter the first pope. So, it was taught in a Catholic/Papist assembly.
Pebble my friend, not rock, Christ is the corner stone and the churches foundation.
 
May 3, 2013
8,719
75
0
The book of Hebrews says there is no mediator between God and man, but Christ Jesus.
Jesus also said "no one can come to HIm except the FATHER draws him / her" because it is THE FATHER'S WILL that all of us be saved, and none to perish... But things are twisted the way any think it best for ANY's conveninece.
 
Jan 19, 2013
11,909
141
0
Sole fide is certainly open to argument since
there were obvious political motivations during the early reformation in order to justify opposition to church control of monasteries, municipalities over the interests of guild/merchant entities, and individual absolution.
Obvious to whom? Were you there?

Such political wisdom oozing forth from ignorance.

Sole scriptura is just nonsense which is why the Catholic church opposed both the translation of the bible into common tongues and the encouragement of literacy throughout its history. Even now, Catholics are discouraged from reading the entire bible. Several orders, not the least of which, the Jesuits, have excellent arguments for seeking both education and inspiration ex-scriptura.
You don't even know the meaning of sola Scriptura.

Infant baptism is only an issue if there is no means of resolving the issue after death. Otherwise, how would the church account for those souls lost in childbirth or just before? I'm certain the problem is not unsolvable.
Human "wisdom" is not divine wisdom.
 
Last edited:
Sep 16, 2014
1,278
23
0
There is no misunderstandings between Catholics and True Christians! The Catholics do know that what they are teaching is False! And we True Christians do know the Catholics are teaching False doctrines!

There is no misunderstandings, the Catholics are out to destroy the True Church so they can rule the World again like it was 1000 years ago! Did you know a Catholic does not have to be a Born Again Christian nor do they have to teach what the Scriptures say to be a Pope? Anyone can be a Pope of the Catholic Church! Even Satan can be a Pope! It makes no difference to the Catholics.

Read the History of the Popes and you will see how many of them were not True Christians and many never accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior! But yet they ran the Catholic Church and turned their Traditions into False Doctrines to deceive the elect into following Mary and Satan!