Money in heaven?

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Do you believe money will be used in heaven?

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Jul 26, 2013
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#43
It baffles me when christians can only resort to childish jokes when faced with things that they can no longer comprehend.

The mind of a child people.
 

zone

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#45
You are still thinking within the terms of a dead system. Why not simply give everyone free cable if U-Verse can now let you record 4 shows while watching a 5th!?

We do not need newspapers. Give everyone a tablet.
SpiritofFire,
why did Jesus suffer and die on the Cross?
 

zone

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#46
Then what do I have to lose?
since you do not believe in a literal eternal lake of fire - eternal punishment and separation from God for those rejecting Christ, and you do not believe anything the True Christ said....you have everything to lose.



i don't think there's 9-1-1 service in hell, Patient.
 
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overcomer2

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#47
I'm just wondering how people view the basics of heavenly life.

But if you do not see money in heaven, what us wrong with trying to pattern our world here after what we hope it to be now?
I really don't think there will be money. I know when Jesus came across having to pay taxes and he got the coin from the fish, he just said give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's. So, that is marketing, and I don't think he will be involved in that. I do think we will spend time cleaning the Earth. It will be a mess after all the wars. We will also be Judges, so we have that job to do. Then of course there is loving and worshiping our Savior. GLORY, GLORY, GLORY. Come quickly Lord Jesus.
 
Jul 26, 2013
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#48
since you do not believe in a literal eternal lake of fire - eternal punishment and separation from God for those rejecting Christ, and you do not believe anything the True Christ said....you have everything to lose.



i don't think there's 9-1-1 service in hell, Patient.
Never said that. God is a consuming fire which will either consume or refine all. It is therefore our definition of what the lake is that differs.
 

Agricola

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#49
Communism only works if everyone is 100% behind it, yes everyone works for nothing, but is supplied with everything. Problem is sin gets in the way and greed takes over and the corrupt fill thier own pockets instead.

Read Animal Farm by George Orwell. The animals take over the farm, the pigs and dogs are in charge, they draw up rules, number 7 being "All animals are equal".

However we read later in the book

"Somehow it seemed as though the farm had grown richer without making the animals themselves any richer — except, of course, for the pigs and the dogs."

Then we see rule 7 is changed just like most of the other rules, "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others."

This book should answer your questions.
 
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Tintin

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#50
It baffles me when christians can only resort to childish jokes when faced with things that they can no longer comprehend.

The mind of a child people.
I haven't called you names and I've joked a little here and there but they're not childish jokes. Finally, I comprehend you just fine. I just struggle to understand your beliefs and how you came by them. Because they're not found in the Bible.
 

zone

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#51
It baffles me when christians can only resort to childish jokes when faced with things that they can no longer comprehend.

The mind of a child people.
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. - John 3:18


krinó: to judge, decide
Original Word: κρίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: krinó
Phonetic Spelling: (kree'-no)
Short Definition: I judge, decide, think good
Definition: (a) I judge, whether in a law-court or privately: sometimes with cognate nouns emphasizing the notion of the verb, (b) I decide, I think (it) good.

2919 krínō – properly, to separate (distinguish), i.e. judge; come to a choice (decision, judgment) by making a judgment – either positive (a verdict in favor of) or negative (which rejects or condemns).

J. Thayer comments that "the proper meaning of 2919 (krínō) is to pick out (choose) by separating" (as also used in Homer, Herodotus, Aeschyl., Xenophon, Plato). 2919 /krínō ("distinguish, judge") typically refers to making a determination of right or wrong (innocence or guilt), especially on an official (legal) standard. We only judge (2919 /krínō) accurately by intelligent comparison and contrast based on God's word, i.e. to approve (prefer) what is correct and reject what is inferior (wrong).

[2919 (krínō) is used of "bringing to trial" (the trying of fact) in a court of law.

2919 (krinō) originally meant "separate." So Homer, of Ceres separating the grain from the chaff (Iliad, v, 501). Thence, 'to distinguish, to pick out, to be of opinion, to judge' " (WS, 418).]

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or should this be:

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, and whoever does not believe is not condemned either even though they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. It is their sins and unbelief that is the chaff that will be condemned and burned away by fire and then everyone will be in heaven - Universalism 3:18
 

zone

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#52
Never said that. God is a consuming fire which will either consume or refine all. It is therefore our definition of what the lake is that differs.
we've been through this before.

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. - John 3:18


krinó: to judge, decide
Original Word: κρίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: krinó
Phonetic Spelling: (kree'-no)
Short Definition: I judge, decide, think good
Definition: (a) I judge, whether in a law-court or privately: sometimes with cognate nouns emphasizing the notion of the verb, (b) I decide, I think (it) good.

2919 krínō – properly, to separate (distinguish), i.e. judge; come to a choice (decision, judgment) by making a judgment – either positive (a verdict in favor of) or negative (which rejects or condemns).

J. Thayer comments that "the proper meaning of 2919 (krínō) is to pick out (choose) by separating" (as also used in Homer, Herodotus, Aeschyl., Xenophon, Plato). 2919 /krínō ("distinguish, judge") typically refers to making a determination of right or wrong (innocence or guilt), especially on an official (legal) standard. We only judge (2919 /krínō) accurately by intelligent comparison and contrast based on God's word, i.e. to approve (prefer) what is correct and reject what is inferior (wrong).

[2919 (krínō) is used of "bringing to trial" (the trying of fact) in a court of law.

2919 (krinō) originally meant "separate." So Homer, of Ceres separating the grain from the chaff (Iliad, v, 501). Thence, 'to distinguish, to pick out, to be of opinion, to judge' " (WS, 418).]

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or should this be:

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, and whoever does not believe is not condemned either even though they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. It is their sins and unbelief that is the chaff that will be condemned and burned away by fire and then everyone will be in heaven - Universalism 3:18
or perhaps you believe in Annihilationism.
please advise.
 

zone

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#53
I do think we will spend time cleaning the Earth. It will be a mess after all the wars.
is that how God creates the new heavens and new earth?
by people cleaning up?
or is the temporary 1,000 years just a make-work project that will be destroyed anyway?
please document.
 

posthuman

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Jul 31, 2013
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#54
Have you not seen commercials where the man is on the plane starting and warming his car by phone. Turning his lights and tv on and disabling the security by phone? On while on vacation making sure the kids locked the doors and didn't leave the water running in the house, or checking to see if their kids even made it home?

All by phone!

But we still cannot feed the poor.... Why?

distribution & resource allocation problems, not production. the world produces enough food to feed all the people in it.
1st world countries waste an incredible amount of food.

Waste - Why Poverty

short informational video

but we "will always have poor" among us. (Deut. 15:11, Mark 14:7, etc.)

why?

that's your point, right? as a people our priority is in nicer phones, not feeding the hungry. consumerism drives innovation. we could be digging wells but the money is in laying internet grids.

next time you want to buy a new phone, send that money to water.org, water partners, world vision, or some other organization that's working to dig wells.


btw no, what would we buy and sell in heaven? lulz.
& i doubt greed would disappear if there weren't any currency. there are plenty of other forms of wealth to horde.


 

posthuman

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#56
I just struggle to understand your beliefs and how you came by them. Because they're not found in the Bible.
i won't comment on everything SpiritofFire believes in or thinks about (who am i to do that?), but in this thread at least, "compassion for the poor and needy" is certainly found in the Bible.
 

posthuman

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#57
What is the purpose of the poor ?
that Christ might be glorified when we feed them, and our own poverty, that God is glorified when He provides for us, and we don't think we care for ourselves on our own?
 

john832

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May 31, 2013
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#58
Can you at least answer the question?

Do you think there will be money in heaven?

If not and you see that as "some kind of weird, quasi-communist, utopian society" then maybe you need to question what you see in scripture.
We never go there so the question is meaningless.
 

maxwel

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Apr 18, 2013
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#59
Can you at least answer the question?

Do you think there will be money in heaven?

If not and you see that as "some kind of weird, quasi-communist, utopian society" then maybe you need to question what you see in scripture.
SpiritofFire,

I know this is hard for you to understand, but the world we live on now, this fallen world of sin and corruption... it isn't Heaven.

This world IS NOT heaven, and it is NOT LIKE heaven.

It's absurd to expect a fallen sinful world to be like heaven.


It's absurd to even be having this discussion.
 
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Sep 4, 2012
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#60
For even when we were with you, we used to command this to you: that if anyone does not want to work, neither should he eat. 2 Thessalonians 3:10