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This is the interpretation of the words "for the" in the Greek.
[h=1]G3588[/h]ὁ, ἡ, τό
ho hē to
ho, hay, to
The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.
Total KJV occurrences: 8497
Mat 25:41 Then G5119 shall he say G2046 also G2532 unto them G3588 on G1537 the left hand, G2176 Depart G4198 from G575 me, G1700 ye cursed, G2672 into G1519 everlasting G166 fire, G4442 prepared G2090 for the G3588 devil G1228 and G2532 his G846 angels: G32
[h=1]G3588[/h]ὁ, ἡ, τό
ho hē to
ho, hay, to
The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.
Total KJV occurrences: 8497
Mat 25:41 Then G5119 shall he say G2046 also G2532 unto them G3588 on G1537 the left hand, G2176 Depart G4198 from G575 me, G1700 ye cursed, G2672 into G1519 everlasting G166 fire, G4442 prepared G2090 for the G3588 devil G1228 and G2532 his G846 angels: G32
I'm not sure that if hell is thrown into the lake of fire that it means it doesn't exist anymore? I haven't really thought about it either.
I was taught in my evangelical Pentecostal church teaching that hell was separation from God and I see in scripture that hell ( or more accurately the fire and brimstone? ) is actually in the presence of God. Where can anyone go and get away from the presence of God?
This scripture says that they are in the presence of the Lamb.
Revelation 14:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb
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[SUP]11 [/SUP] "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
I was taught in my evangelical Pentecostal church teaching that hell was separation from God and I see in scripture that hell ( or more accurately the fire and brimstone? ) is actually in the presence of God. Where can anyone go and get away from the presence of God?
This scripture says that they are in the presence of the Lamb.
Revelation 14:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb
.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] "And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."
Theres a second heaven that scripture says has principalities and powers of the enemy. What we need to obtain is through an open heaven Jimbo. It does take faith to access the throne of God, and it has to be through the mercy seat of the blood of Jesus in heaven. These things are true. It is also true that God is for us not against us. So we must learn the ways of heaven to obtain what we need in the miraculous.
I apologise to you for our darkness of understanding in the past. But, the light is shining brighter every day we receive instruction from heaven.
My question to you is, which side do you want to be on? The light that will bring healing to others? Or the darkness of denial?
I apologise to you for our darkness of understanding in the past. But, the light is shining brighter every day we receive instruction from heaven.
My question to you is, which side do you want to be on? The light that will bring healing to others? Or the darkness of denial?
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I'll try and explain my thoughts a little better
Its like if I invite folks over for dinner and say to them ok dinner is ready come to the table, O no wait a minute I forgot to prepare the food for dinner..
yes Satan was created not for the purpose of evil or sin, but God had already knew what was going to happen. Though Satan didn't know that place before hand but he does now.
everything that was created was created for a purpose.
Its like if I invite folks over for dinner and say to them ok dinner is ready come to the table, O no wait a minute I forgot to prepare the food for dinner..
yes Satan was created not for the purpose of evil or sin, but God had already knew what was going to happen. Though Satan didn't know that place before hand but he does now.
everything that was created was created for a purpose.
I was until I looked at every word in that scripture. It's all new to me so I'm still processing it. I am for truth and I don't believe what I believe just because it's been taught in certain circles. I've studied word studies of each word on several books now of the NT, and many passages of the Old.
As He leads me.
As He leads me.
This one takes awhile to explain: I will do it quickly without all of the Scriptural references
First of all when an unbeliever dies his spirit goes to Hades (Greek word). This word is usually translated as "hell" in the KJV version. Hades is actually a temporary place of punishment for the wicked. It also had a compartment for the righteous dead before Jesus' death and resurrection opened the way for the righteous dead to go to heaven. (See the parable of Lazarus and the rich man).
Where is Hades? This is a debatable subject, but I think the most likely place is in the center of the Earth. The most direct proof for this view is that when Korah rebelled (Numbers?) the earth opened up and the text says he and his followers went down alive into Sheol (the Hebrew equivalent of Hades).
The verse you quoted (Revelation) says that "hell" (Hades) is cast into the lake of fire. The lake of fire (equivalent to the Greek word "Gehenna") was what God created for the devil and his angels. (Someone on this thread believes it has not been created yet - a new thought for me - and I haven't researched it further). Hence Hades will cease to exist in the end of time, but all occupants of Hades will be cast into the eternal lake of fire.
There is Scripture for all of this - not too hard to find - and I can look some of it up later if it would help. I am out of time now.
I will also say the above is my present best understanding: I know there are differing ideas among Christians on this, but the view I give above is a very accepted view among evangelicals.
All this makes this thread so much more obscure and incomplete: To talk about "hell" you have to realize there is Hades - a temporary place, and Gehenna - the eternal place.
First of all when an unbeliever dies his spirit goes to Hades (Greek word). This word is usually translated as "hell" in the KJV version. Hades is actually a temporary place of punishment for the wicked. It also had a compartment for the righteous dead before Jesus' death and resurrection opened the way for the righteous dead to go to heaven. (See the parable of Lazarus and the rich man).
Where is Hades? This is a debatable subject, but I think the most likely place is in the center of the Earth. The most direct proof for this view is that when Korah rebelled (Numbers?) the earth opened up and the text says he and his followers went down alive into Sheol (the Hebrew equivalent of Hades).
The verse you quoted (Revelation) says that "hell" (Hades) is cast into the lake of fire. The lake of fire (equivalent to the Greek word "Gehenna") was what God created for the devil and his angels. (Someone on this thread believes it has not been created yet - a new thought for me - and I haven't researched it further). Hence Hades will cease to exist in the end of time, but all occupants of Hades will be cast into the eternal lake of fire.
There is Scripture for all of this - not too hard to find - and I can look some of it up later if it would help. I am out of time now.
I will also say the above is my present best understanding: I know there are differing ideas among Christians on this, but the view I give above is a very accepted view among evangelicals.
All this makes this thread so much more obscure and incomplete: To talk about "hell" you have to realize there is Hades - a temporary place, and Gehenna - the eternal place.
Why Satan was created isn't addressed in this thread. It's what happened after he was thrown down to earth. Now, I used that out of a scripture without looking at it so correct me if it's out of context.
We all know that until Jesus came, he had control of this world. Now, he has control over what we allow him. In other words we are to be taking ground for God. Some are, I know this for a fact, but didn't understand it until now. So, somewhere, at some time period he created this place for himself that he foolishly thinks he is ruling over, and those who don't escape this fate through Jesus are there with them. In the final end, God destroys it all. This is what I think now....just new to me. And now I think I need to do research.
The He issue of who created hell was solved for me however, after I studied that verse.
Grace, thank you for your post. I want to look into it a bit deeper.
We all know that until Jesus came, he had control of this world. Now, he has control over what we allow him. In other words we are to be taking ground for God. Some are, I know this for a fact, but didn't understand it until now. So, somewhere, at some time period he created this place for himself that he foolishly thinks he is ruling over, and those who don't escape this fate through Jesus are there with them. In the final end, God destroys it all. This is what I think now....just new to me. And now I think I need to do research.
The He issue of who created hell was solved for me however, after I studied that verse.
Grace, thank you for your post. I want to look into it a bit deeper.
We know that God created a place other than where He was. I believe this was the heavens and the earth.
But He didn't leave it that way.
He came and His Spirit was over the face of the deep, darkness, and He said let there be light in this dark place.
A word study, including all of the roots that the words came from, of the beginning of Genesis, makes you see that this darkness was something awful. He didn't create it except in the sense of what being thrown from His Presence creates.
This is why we all answered that God did not create darkness, even though a verse says He does, but that is in a negative manner, not a positive manner of: let there be..
But He didn't leave it that way.
He came and His Spirit was over the face of the deep, darkness, and He said let there be light in this dark place.
A word study, including all of the roots that the words came from, of the beginning of Genesis, makes you see that this darkness was something awful. He didn't create it except in the sense of what being thrown from His Presence creates.
This is why we all answered that God did not create darkness, even though a verse says He does, but that is in a negative manner, not a positive manner of: let there be..
I shall say my goodbye to you now, then. God bless 
Over ere son on me head now that i could see the father coming down for a game of soccer or Golf or maybe some dear hunting.
Now that would be cruel to some but then look at wild life the Dear is well hunted by natural born killers but then we see the commandment of thow shall not kill? obviously thiscommandment was not relivent when he created the the sly fox. or the the ugly croc. so did he create theese savage beasts as for me there are two many entirely diffrent truths here.
While i feel love for the people to be blessed with the holy spirit and the strenght of samuel to tare down mountains and heal the people i also feal a bit angry with God but then ive read that this is quite common yeah wheve all been there and its because we just cant except some realities that may not be true