Need help with discussion of gays from biblical view
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Being a Homosexual is no different then being a drug user or being a liar.
Its all about sin.
Everybody is tempted to sin.
God see's a liar just the same as He see's a Homosexual. We need to realize everybody is tempted to sin and everybody have different sins that tempt them.
We need to bring the Gospel of Salvation to everybody, even the Gay people. Lets not condemn them just because they are Gay. Just remember everybody sins, even the True Christians sins! Even we are not free from the power of sinning.
Its all about sin.
Everybody is tempted to sin.
God see's a liar just the same as He see's a Homosexual. We need to realize everybody is tempted to sin and everybody have different sins that tempt them.
We need to bring the Gospel of Salvation to everybody, even the Gay people. Lets not condemn them just because they are Gay. Just remember everybody sins, even the True Christians sins! Even we are not free from the power of sinning.
Proverbs 11:20-21 ESV
Those of crooked heart are an abomination to the Lord , but those of blameless ways are his delight. Be assured, an evil person will not go unpunished, but the offspring of the righteous will be delivered.
The Destructive Nature of Sin is that it Does Not Happen in a Vacuum. Like kindnes which produces ripples so is sin. The damage affect future generations. Just like the sin of sexual imorality commited by David. Even if God has forgiven him, his 4 sons still paid the consequence. And his daughter was raped by his son Absalom.
I know a promiscuous and adulterous woman who has 3 sons all from different fathers. The eldest is gay and the other two are also suspected to be gay. If you try to trace the lives of people who have homosexual offsprings it will be common that they have history of sexual imorality.
Those of crooked heart are an abomination to the Lord , but those of blameless ways are his delight. Be assured, an evil person will not go unpunished, but the offspring of the righteous will be delivered.
The Destructive Nature of Sin is that it Does Not Happen in a Vacuum. Like kindnes which produces ripples so is sin. The damage affect future generations. Just like the sin of sexual imorality commited by David. Even if God has forgiven him, his 4 sons still paid the consequence. And his daughter was raped by his son Absalom.
I know a promiscuous and adulterous woman who has 3 sons all from different fathers. The eldest is gay and the other two are also suspected to be gay. If you try to trace the lives of people who have homosexual offsprings it will be common that they have history of sexual imorality.
B
Not too difficult to see Blain's motive here, eh Mod?
Do you think 10+ years in a federal prison could influence your sexual behavior/desires?
Consider this: All people are capable of great good and great evil. Though something may seem gross and disgusting now--with the "right" influence(s), your opinion could change.
Let no one mistake me: I do not say this to encourage Blain to lessen his view of homosexuality as sinful--I say this to encourage Blain to reconsider his view of homosexuality as an uncontrollable genetic trait. I believe it is a merely a choice.
Do you think 10+ years in a federal prison could influence your sexual behavior/desires?
Consider this: All people are capable of great good and great evil. Though something may seem gross and disgusting now--with the "right" influence(s), your opinion could change.
Let no one mistake me: I do not say this to encourage Blain to lessen his view of homosexuality as sinful--I say this to encourage Blain to reconsider his view of homosexuality as an uncontrollable genetic trait. I believe it is a merely a choice.
M
I think the Mod was seeing the same issue with these gay threads as I and others have seen...it seems the issue is being brought up time and time again as if it's a special class of sin deserving special consideration, instead of being put in its place with adultery and fornication and other perversions that we all agree is not to be advanced or approved by those who claim to represent Christ and His truth....and these type threads often turn into a battle against other members who hold the biblical perspective against sexual perversions.
Who cares. Let people live the way they want. Everyone sins in different ways so if being gay is a sin then so be it. That does not mean they deserve judgement different from others. Besides, there is only one that is allowed to judge and that one does not reside on this earth. So no matter what any human says, ignore it and live on.
K
Quote " Who cares. "
God does.
Quote " Let people live the way they want."
Can you give me a Bible verse that supports that? I don't think so.
Quote "Everyone sins in different ways"
So sin is ok. Everyone sins, so no big deal. Thats not what the Bible teaches.
Quote "so if being gay is a sin then so be it."
So be it?! Someone is in bondage and on their way to hell and you say "so be it"? I hope you don't really mean that.
Quote "That does not mean they deserve judgement different from others."
Saying homosexuality is sin isn't judging. God has already judged it to be sin,I didn't. Take it up with Him.
Quote "Besides, there is only one that is allowed to judge and that one does not reside on this earth."
Judging is not the same as calling something sin that the Bible says is sin. Homosexuality is sin,that is not a judging statement,that is a Biblical truth.
Quote "So no matter what any human says, ignore it and live on."
Thats not what God says about it. Sin causes death. Would you not want to save someone from the danger of hell? Don't be giving people advice that is totally against what the Bible says. You'll have their blood on your hands.
Instead of worrying about what man says about this, what does God's Word, in part, have to say about this?
Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:24-27
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
2 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:24-27
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
2 Timothy 3:1-7
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.