Nephilim list : of Scriptures for The Giants aka Nephilim . And Hebrew Definions .

[RachelBibleStudent]

rachel......
i'm dismal at math.
cubits and such.

any chance you could do a quick exegesis/analysis of Goliath?
his size? i know someone else who is asking, and it would be nice to know.

it seems obvious that if you had giants in a given region, they would intermarry...and Polydactyly (if it is related), and gigantism does appear to be a genetically inherited thing.


i puke at the serpent seed doctrine, so reject the fallen angels/man sex things as well.....i don't know what the explanation is however.

the bible says the height of goliath was six cubits and a span...either the philistines measured him and the israelites heard of it...or they measured his body once david killed him...

most hebrew measures of length were based on human body parts...it was convenient because you didn't have to carry a measuring stick around all the time...but it also means the figures can vary depending on who is doing the measurement unless the person actually -is- using a measuring rod...

keeping that in mind the conversion factors are necessarily going to be approximate...

a cubit is roughly eighteen inches...so six cubits is nine feet... a span is about eight or nine inches... so six cubits and a span could be around 9'9"

like i was saying his height is near the upper limits imposed by physical anatomy...a simple scaling calculation shows that his weight would have been more than quadruple a normal person's weight...while his bone and muscle strength would have been only around two and a half times that of a normal person...

the tallest person in modern history had to wear leg braces due to these same anatomical limitations...

i think the polydactyly in the case of the biblical giants is probably more related to inbreeding than gigantism...the philistine giants were the last remnants of the anakites...and that kind of population bottleneck and the inbreeding that results often cause birth defects...

 

[Markum1972]

this is mostly gobbledygook...

the bible says plainly why the flood happened...it was because the earth was full of violence and corruption...not because there was a race of angel hybrids threatening humanity...

and there was no 'second eruption' of the nephilim...as long as there are people who live by violence there will be nephilim...because that is all nephilim are... the post flood nephilim all have clear canaanite lineages...there is nothing supernatural about them...

and most importantly...if the point of the flood was to wipe out the nephilim as some believe...and if there were nephilim after the flood...then that would mean God failed to accomplish his primary purpose in sending the flood...

my God is not that incompetent...

the idea that the nephilim are giant hybrids between humans and divine beings is pagan in origin...it was inspired by ancient demigod myths...not the other way around...

Umm... actually it is the other way around. All Pagan religions were based on idol worship of things that within the realm of God's creation. This includes angel/demon worship (including the offspring of angels and man), sun worship, nature worship, etc... etc...
Mystery Babylon covers this very clearly for those that are willing to take the time to study it.

 

[wdeaton65]

the bible says the height of goliath was six cubits and a span...either the philistines measured him and the israelites heard of it...or they measured his body once david killed him...

most hebrew measures of length were based on human body parts...it was convenient because you didn't have to carry a measuring stick around all the time...but it also means the figures can vary depending on who is doing the measurement unless the person actually -is- using a measuring rod...

keeping that in mind the conversion factors are necessarily going to be approximate...

a cubit is roughly eighteen inches...so six cubits is nine feet... a span is about eight or nine inches... so six cubits and a span could be around 9'9"

like i was saying his height is near the upper limits imposed by physical anatomy...a simple scaling calculation shows that his weight would have been more than quadruple a normal person's weight...while his bone and muscle strength would have been only around two and a half times that of a normal person...

the tallest person in modern history had to wear leg braces due to these same anatomical limitations...

i think the polydactyly in the case of the biblical giants is probably more related to inbreeding than gigantism...the philistine giants were the last remnants of the anakites...and that kind of population bottleneck and the inbreeding that results often cause birth defects...

Where did you get this answer from rachael? its close but still wrong what scripture gives us the answer? That is why the word of GOD is like a treasure you have to dig and you cant use someone elses shovel.

 

[nathan3]

TBH i could care less if you do or not, the point is for the flock that is awake now is the time to prepare yourselves for the times to come, we don't need anymore wimps or sissies in the pulpit anymore, we need warriors to stand, fight, and resist evil, these nephilim will return soon and it's gonna get really bloody.

I think your missing something, the end times is about deception. and winning souls. There are many places there will be no blood shed but its about a deception. Even God in Revelation says, " do not kill them ".

 

[nathan3]

to put it bluntly...there is no such thing as 'pictographic hebrew'...the alphabet had already left the pictographic stage when it was adopted for writing hebrew...

The Hebrew with pictures in their charecters are actually the earlest ancient Paleo-Hebrewor or some times called phaleo hebrew , they have pictures in there characters. ( forgive me spelling )

 

[Tintin]

When I read that part of Genesis, I hadn't been exposed to any form of mythology (Greek or otherwise) and I believed the Nephilim/sons of God to be angels. It just made sense to me.

 

[nathan3]

When I read that part of Genesis, I hadn't been exposed to any form of mythology (Greek or otherwise) and I believed the Nephilim/sons of God to be angels. It just made sense to me.

Not only does it make sense, we have enough scripture to back us up . The trouble people get into is they draw from other thoughts and ideas outside of God's sphere of truth He sent us: And they apply those to the Bible, thus changing the subject the Bible said from the start... People do this because they have trouble thinking that something is possible. even though its written. They have notions of how things should be, not as they are. So that prevents then from learning.

It is good to look at history, but, the scriptures takes authority . I learned even more now, so every time i learn more my notes of more evidence from the Bible is building... Make sure you have a book for notes. For every subject, weather it's giants or sons of God, or whatever. as time progresses. those notes and connections grow. Then after so much time it's solid and no reasonable person will be able to refute it.

 

[livingepistle]

thanks Nathan3 for the support and all of the other complement. This is useful and helpful. Thanks to all.

 

[livingepistle]

I meant; thanks for all the other comments.

 

[kenisyes]

Perhaps I should post the scripture that proves what a cubit is within about 1/64 of an inch is so than we will know just how large goliath was HMMMMMMM. Let me know.

You have to watch on cubits. Egyptian cubit (and you can check by skeleton measurements) is 20.58 inches, the Semitic 18. The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus uses a 2/3 conversion factor when converting from cubic cubits to the older hekat measurement, probably the Semitic cubic cubit. Note how Dt. 3:11 speaks of the "cubit of a man" when measuring a giant's bed.

 

[kenisyes]

When I read that part of Genesis, I hadn't been exposed to any form of mythology (Greek or otherwise) and I believed the Nephilim/sons of God to be angels. It just made sense to me.

The phrase "son of God" is used of a man in Dan. 3:25 and in Psalm 82 calls men in authority "gods". There is no reason Scripture proves that the "sons of God" used in Gen. 6 refers to angels.

 

[SeekingJC]

"we remember, we rebuild, we come back stronger" - barrack obama

When i heard this it felt like something deeper than the world trade center was being spoken of.....

It reminds me of the tower of babel.

Even scarier look at this: Isaiah 9:10 (KJV) The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.

But that's for another thread

 

[wdeaton65]

This is what the hebrew says וַיִּרְאוּ בְנֵי-הָאֱלֹהִים אֶת-בְּנוֹת הָאָדָם, כִּי טֹבֹת הֵנָּה;

These are direct creations of GOD end of story Jude new this and Peter new this.

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

This is what the hebrew says וַיִּרְאוּ בְנֵי-הָאֱלֹהִים אֶת-בְּנוֹת הָאָדָם, כִּי טֹבֹת הֵנָּה;

These are direct creations of GOD end of story Jude new this and Peter new this.

the words you put in bold read...b'nei ha'elohim...'sons of God'

now who does God consider to be his sons according to the torah?

exodus 4:22..."Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, “Israel is My son, My firstborn."
deuteronomy 32:19..."The Lord saw this, and spurned them Because of the provocation of His sons and daughters."

the sons of God are God's people...who are all new creations having been born again...

 

[wdeaton65]

the words you put in bold read...b'nei ha'elohim...'sons of God'

now who does God consider to be his sons according to the torah?

exodus 4:22..."Then you shall say to Pharaoh, ‘Thus says the Lord, “Israel is My son, My firstborn."
deuteronomy 32:19..."The Lord saw this, and spurned them Because of the provocation of His sons and daughters."

the sons of God are God's people...who are all new creations having been born again...

ex.4;22 is a bad trans that is not what it says here וְאָמַרְתָּ, אֶל-פַּרְעֹה: כֹּה אָמַר יְהוָה, בְּנִי בְכֹרִי יִשְׂרָאֵל

Deut. 32;19 another bad translation to compare with Gen 6. וַיַּרְא יְהוָה, וַיִּנְאָץ, מִכַּעַס בָּנָיו, וּבְנֹתָיו

contex Rachael I dont wont to do this anymore this has become a pride issue for me. I am a nobody believe who you want I dont need someone to translate for me other than the word of YHWH thanks

 

[Maranatha-TheLordIsComing]

I don't think God made angels with the ability to reproduce such as earthly things. The supernatural is extraordinarily different.

 

[Maranatha-TheLordIsComing]

[h=3]Romans 8:14[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.



[h=3]Hebrews 1:5[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

I know you wont accept this, but here it is.

 

[wdeaton65]

Context context hebrews1;5 Ps.2;7 no angel could pay for my sin line apon line Isa. 28;10

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

ex.4;22 is a bad trans that is not what it says here וְאָמַרְתָּ, אֶל-פַּרְעֹה: כֹּה אָמַר יְהוָה, בְּנִי בְכֹרִי יִשְׂרָאֵל

Deut. 32;19 another bad translation to compare with Gen 6. וַיַּרְא יְהוָה, וַיִּנְאָץ, מִכַּעַס בָּנָיו, וּבְנֹתָיו

contex Rachael I dont wont to do this anymore this has become a pride issue for me. I am a nobody believe who you want I dont need someone to translate for me other than the word of YHWH thanks

'coh' means 'like this' or 'thus' or 'so'...'amar' means 'says'...yahweh is God's name...'beni' means 'my son'...'becori' means 'my firstborn'...and israel is self evident...
the whole phrase you put in bold is literally... 'so says yahweh: my son, my firstborn, is israel'

so the bible translation i posted is pretty much exactly right...

the two verses i posted are really the -best- verses to compare with the passage in genesis 6...the reason is because all three passages are torah passages...all three are written by moses...they are the -closest- context...

who would make a better interpreter of moses than moses himself?

instead people seem to want to run off to an ambiguous verse in job instead of seeing what -the writer of genesis 6 himself- understood being a 'son of God' to mean...

it's funny that you say this has become a pride issue for you...because this has always only been a truth issue for me...what does that say about our points of view?

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

here is a scripture that should end the debate...but i know it won't because scripture doesn't work on some people...

luke 20:34-36..."Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; for they cannot even die anymore, because they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."

notice that near the end of verse thirty-six jesus says that in the resurrection they are -like- angels but they -are- sons of God... if angels -were- sons of God then jesus would not have said that the those who are sons of God are 'like' angels... instead he would have said something like...'they are like angels and are like sons of God'...

the sons of God are human beings...and they are the sons of the resurrection...those who have been born again...God's people...